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I have been visiting a number of online gun shops recently and have been very frustrated that so many post a price and it is fair, but then the fine print states that it is a cash discount price and that cards result in a 3% higher price. They even do it on Gun Broker. That's a load of BS. If anything, they should advertise the card price and make a note that customer's can save an additional 3% by paying via cash options. Such devious business practices leave a bad impression and while 3% may not seem like a lot, I'll take my business elsewhere.
 
Most vendors get charged when they run a credit or debit card.

It's just business. You'll have to deal with it friend.
 
..... like the old days when you'd see a Cash price and Credit price at gas stations?

For the most part, they were the only ones doing that from what I remember. I rarely see it any more.


But I agree, overwhelmingly people aren't buying on the Internet using cash and the price reflected should be what the price is when paying via the payment method that the vast majority of their customer are using on their website - which is not cash.
 
I actually like seeing that. If Margin's are low enough they can't eat the 3% the Credit card processing costs I know we are right at the wholesale cost of the item, and the supply and demand curves are working together properly. I'm getting very close to the best price possible, and the 3% convenience fee is my choice.

If the seller doesn't care, or is willing to eat that cost that tells me that they still have enough padding in the deal to make a profit after that cost.
 
The credit card companies get more compliance than the Justice Department does. There's a reason that Chinese internet exporters don't handle them and insist on money transfers as a work around.

If you want a safe transfer where you are protected and at least won't get ripped off when merchandise not as described - or none at all - is shipped, then having a card company at your side is a good deal. And I don't mean Paypal or their ilk.

Try Postal Money Orders and see. Good luck with that.
 
As long as the vendor tells me about credit card surcharges, I have no problem with the practice even if the notification is in the "fine print."
 
Since you now know that some retailers charge an additional fee for use of a credit card, and you now know that the terms and conditions may include a higher price if you use a credit card.

Simply look closely to see if there's an additional credit card fee and QUIT WHINING!

Take personal responsibility for making your own purchases and quit trying to make it someone else's fault that the cost isn't displayed exactly the way YOU think it should be.
 
LOL! Somebody is having a bad day...

It used be against policy to do the upcharge thing on CC's, but I think the merchants got around it with calling it a cash discount. I think that's why gas is just one price at the pumps.
 
Geeze - get over it. Everyone factors in credit charges!

Be happy when someone factors them out as well.

Most businesses do not.

For my part - regardless of government mandated paperwork - I tend to prefer that my shooting related purchases are not recorded on credit statements anyhow, so if a retailer tosses a "discount" in for the cash I'm likely to use anyhow, so much the better.


Todd.
 
Yep they do that. I try to buy from folks who don't up charge, but it's their business. So whatever.
 
Three percent so three bucks on the hundred or thirty bucks on the thousand. Not really worth getting excited about really and the practice has been around for years.

Ron
 
3% is the standard base COST for the merchant. The card brands have announced yet another increase despite the fact that they are no longer assuming any risk with EMV chipped cards. Merchants are the ones who are paying your cashback/miles/rewards over and above that 3%. Why should the seller have to pay Visa for your miles when another buyer is willing to pay via another tender?
 
think

CC costs a vendor money on each transaction. That's just a fact of life. Usually it's on the order of 3% though enormous high volume vendors can often negotiate less. Even then it's going to be 2% or so.

If you don't want them to pass that cost along to CC purchasers then that cost has to be divided among all purchasers, raising the "cash discount" price for everyone. Is that really what you're advocating?

Finally: there are plenty of credit card issuers that offer a minimum of 2% "cash back" on your purchases, across the board, with no limit. Some offer 5% on certain purchases such as gasoline. If you don't have one of those cards, get one. They are free, as in no annual fee. Get one of them and your 3% premium effectively becomes 1%. That amount is almost insignificant. IMO 1% is well worth the buyer protection all CC holders have by law, as well as the convenience of floating free money for 30 days at a time.
 
I will clarify some things as some of you are missing the point completely. I understand that merchants have to pay a percentage to the card companies. I understand and appreciate that some merchants offer advantages for paying with cash (ie: a cash discount). After all, a business would not be in business if it didn't pass off some of the costs to customers and yield profits.

However, the issue that I take is when companies advertise the difference in the cash and credit card price deceptively. For instance, I take no issue when a gas station advertises a cash and credit card price clearly on their sign and don't attempt to only advertise the cash price or mislead customers. I do take issue when gas stations advertise a price on their sign, make no note on the sign that the price only applies to cash purchases, and then when I swipe my credit card at the pump and look at my receipt, I see that I got charged $0.10 more per gallon. I'm sure that the armchair generals and know-it-alls on here will say that they always ask the gas station teller or that I should know which gas stations price cash and credit differently, or that the screen at the pump that only works half the time should have told me the credit card price, etc, but the merchant is the one who should be clearly communicating the price before any purchase. Got it, I've learned some of these lessons the hard way and have grown accustomed to looking for fine print or verifying that money that I am about to pay is what it should be.

My point is that whether it's a gas station or online gun store or other company, the price (both cash and credit card) should be clear; devious methods such as having the cash price in a font size that's three times as big or only displaying the credit card price at checkout is not the right way to do it.

3% as I said before is not much and at the end of the day, I'd rather pay an additional 3% to a merchant that is not deceptive in their pricing.

Since you now know that some retailers charge an additional fee for use of a credit card, and you now know that the terms and conditions may include a higher price if you use a credit card.

Simply look closely to see if there's an additional credit card fee and QUIT WHINING!

Take personal responsibility for making your own purchases and quit trying to make it someone else's fault that the cost isn't displayed exactly the way YOU think it should be.

buckhorn_cortez, I have a few points:

1. I, as the customer, should not have to play Sherlock Holmes and "look closely" to see if there's an additional credit card fee. That should be clearly advertised.
2. I am definitely not whining. I am, however, voicing my dismay over deceptive pricing practices in the hopes that other THR members who were not aware of this will be on the lookout so they don't end up paying more than what they originally anticipated. Yes, I know merchants have been charging more for credit card purchases for years, but I have seen an uptick in this practice and in many cases, in a devious manner.
3. I do take personal responsibility for my own purchases and I am offended that you would imply otherwise. If I lacked personal responsibility for making my own purchases, I would not be aware of the price differences or even care to bring it up. Secondly, I am certain that the majority of people would agree with me that they would rather see cash and credit card prices clearly displayed and not have to read any fine print. More power to you if you enjoy being an uniformed customer or having to read fine print or finding that your cart total has increased because you opted to pay via credit card during checkout. Personally, I like to know what I'm paying from the very beginning.
4. Do not every say, imply, or insinuate that I lack personal responsibility again. If there is one thing being a U.S. Marine and deploying to Afghanistan has taught me, it is personal responsibility.
 
I've been buying guns on line for years and have never been unclear about the fact that everyone charges extra for use of a credit card. At least GunBroker and others give you the option of not paying the CC fee. Many businesses will offer you a small discount if you pay cash instead of using a credit card...cars, furniture, guns, carpet, dental services (These are a few things I have purchased recently that gave me a small discount when I asked). So rather than being offended (really?) you should be happy that option is available for the asking.
 
FWIW a long time ago the practice of changing extra for a credit card was illegal. One of the "consumer protection" banking regulations passed since then changed that. If I recall correctly it was a long time ago, and might have coincided with the elimination of sales tax deductions from federal taxable income (which is still possible under certain circumstances).

I still don't understand your objection though. The example you cite (Gunbroker) has explicitly worded payment descriptions, for example the following quoted verbatim from a typical sale. The emphasis and color is theirs, not mine:

The above prices on this item reflect a 3% cash/check discount. This discount is not valid for credit card purchases. Add 3% to the total cost for credit card purchases.

Bud's presents a similarly obvious distinction with the retail price and cash discount price directly adjacent to one another, with cash discount underlined. Their prominence is not something one can easily overlook.

By all means no reputable vendor should make a deliberate attempt to obscure or hide any fees associated with a purchase. If they do, you can - and should - take your business elsewhere.
 
Margins are low and the cards cost the vendor 3%.
As long as the vendor tells me about credit card surcharges, I have no problem with the practice even if the notification is in the "fine print."

This. As long as it is made clear at the time of purchase, I've got no problem with it. Profit margins for firearms are, generally, razor thin and credit card processing does cost the merchant. And in the grand scheme of things, meh, 3%.
 
I’m not fond of the 3% mark-up either, but I look at it as a kind of insurance if the transaction goes south.

But a word of warning, READ your banks disclosure statement. I’ve seen disclosures from a couple of banks now that state that you can only dispute charges made in your state of residence or that exclude internet and mail order purchases. Sorry, I don’t recall which ones they were. I’m guessing that there have been too many disputed transactions when the buyer may have actually received a product but disputed the charge saying they didn’t get it.
 
Doesn't bother me as long as they take an e check....Bud's does.

Actually I ran into an issue where Buds wouldn't. I like Gunbroker for the very reason that the OP posted. I smile when I "win" an auction and send the seller a money order. :) But awhile back I wanted a new scale and Cabelas had the best price but it was back ordered for weeks. Buds states on the website that they take money orders. I went through the whole checkout process, which includes being forced to register an account. The Buds system wouldn't price match, although it came within $10 of the Cabelas price, but at the end would not allow anything but a credit card.

So I bailed and went back to Gunbroker a few days later and found a seller who beat Buds price and took money orders. :D
 
I vaguely recall having a minor dust-up with a Seller on Gunbroker when I found that he was planning on charging 3(?)% extra on Credit/Debit card payments.

He was very up front (seemed almost proud) about accepting Plastic ... but ... rather than add a few extra words to that same text about the 3% add-on, he chose to leave it unstated. Basic Gotcha Mode.

He saw no reason to apprise folks of the up-charge in advance.

I moved along. I figured that if I could not trust him to tell me about that, I would be foolish to trust him about anything. <shrug>
 
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