Watching Red Dawn...

[M2 Carbine]

"Detritus
not to mention the B-58A "Stores package" (the thing that looks like "THe Mother of all drop tanks" it takes up a whole flatcar and is almost as high as the Boxcars) that i THINK was on the car imediately preceeding the above mentioned AT gun. i wanna know where and WHY they dug THAT thing up to put on the train??

sheesh i hope i'm not the ONLY aviation nut who knew/knows what that monster was "


The B-58's used to try and run over us when I was instructing at Fort Wolters, TX in the 60's.

Detritus, you have probably seen this one at Galveston.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Gotta love a bomber named "Hustler".

 

[Detritus]

Detritus, you have probably seen this one at Galveston.

Have lost count of the times i've been to LSFM (Lone Star Flight Museum, for the unfamiliar).

kinda wish the B-58 display there was a little more "comprehensive" like being a little MORE in-depth as to how the "stores pod" concept worked. actually what i REALLY wish is that the AF would let them re-commission that thing (it's a TB-58 with Dual controls) and give rides.... but that'll happen about the time i get to fly in an F-106....

 

[Detritus]

oh and just to add a gunrelated item......

Gotta love that remote aimed M-61A1 "Vulcan" they put in the tail of that thing (the non-trainer ones at least), the ultimate "stinger"

 

[otomik]

If they were really smart, they'd fund agitator groups to keep the Americans fighting amongst themselves and from uniting to rebuild.)

they know what to target, sympathetic or just anti-american college professors like algier hiss. with dozens like him, all very influencial, messed up american colleges for the last 50 years.

 

[Tamara]

Interestingly enough, the bogus T-72 was realistic enough that the flatbed towing it to the filming location was trailed by a couple of humourless men in suits and dark glasses who wanted to know where they got the Russkie tank.

 

[Mad Man]

"Red Dawn Plus Twenty"

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=...?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.history.what-if

From: DataPacRat
Subject: Red Dawn Plus Twenty

Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if, alt.history.what-if
Date: 2004-03-11 14:56:39 PST

It's been 20 years since the movie "Red Dawn" came out. Yes, it's a bad
movie, with some gaping plot holes - but it's an /enjoyable/ bad movie,
just the same. (And I'm not even American.) So, let's pretend that it was
real, and WW3 started in September, 1984.


What's happened since then?


For reference, there was some descriptive text at the start of the movie.
There were also some descriptions by a downed pilot about how the war had
proceeded up to that point, but typing that in is somewhat harder.


Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years.

Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade.

Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and
Honduras fall.

Greens party gains control of West German parliament. Demands withdrawal
of nuclear weapons from European soil.

Mexico plunged into revolution.

NATO dissolves. United States stands alone.



Thank you for your time,
--
DataPacRat

... more

 

[Logan5]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned John Milius making his Colt SAA into a movie star. There was an interview with him in the (1999 I think?) DGW catalogue where he goes over how he inserts the old family gun into every movie he makes if possible. Conan almost packed that SAA, I think.
I find that really interesting... Sure it'd be cool to be a movie director for other reasons, but being able to turn a personal firearm into a famous movie gun would fill me with glee. I'm not entirely sure why. I wouldn't sell it afterwards, even though the minigun from the Terminator and Matrix movies provides an example of how a movie resume jacks up the value.
There's been a lot of talk about movie guns, and ideal guns for movie situations, but I don't think we've done this one yet; If you were directing a Red Dawn type action movie, what (if you'd trust an actor not to drop it) do you think you'd pull out of the safe and stick in the hero's hands?

Swayze would have looked pretty goofy if that had been my 3913 instead of the SAA...

 

[otomik]

If you were directing a Red Dawn type action movie, what (if you'd trust an actor not to drop it) do you think you'd pull out of the safe and stick in the hero's hands?

CZ-52, rarely seen in film, this one is from an some albert pyun film called Adrenalin: Fear the Rush.

the story will be from a william gibson novel
"The farmer didn't answer. State law said he couldn't have a gun, just
the industrial-strength stunner he wore in a beat-up plastic holster, but he
probably did anyway. One of those little Russian hold-outs that chambered
some godawful overheated caliber originally intended for killing the engine
blocks of tanks. The Russians, never too safety-minded, had the market in
Saturday-night specials." -Virtual Light
I'll make sure i have stuff like that in the script to start a rumor that the CZ-52 is a russian anti-tank pistol, kind of like the ceramic glock 7. and yes i will be sitting on a huge pile of these so i resell them for megabucks.

 

[Moparmike]

Could you sell me one before you do?

 

[wardog]

Anyone know where Red Dawn was filmed?

 

[Mad Man]

Anyone know where Red Dawn was filmed?

According to the booklet in the DVD case

The fictional town of Calumet, Colorado is actually Las Vegas, New Mexico where such familiar institutions as a drive-in theatre was transformed into a "re-education center" and an abandoned Safeway became the interior of the American freedom fighters' mountainside hideaway.

As for the paratrooper discussion above

Five of the 36 parachutists who took part in the invasion scene early in the film were wounded when high winds blew them as far one mile off target. Parachutist Jim Fisher, wearing a Russian paratrooper uniform, landed in a tree and found himself calling out to local rescuers: "Don't shoot, Don't shoot! I am not a Russian soldier!"

More trivia from the booklet:

In addition to Dirty Dancing, other Red Dawn cast pairings include Jennifer Grey & Charlie Sheen in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and Patrick Swayze & C. Thomas Howell in Grandview, U.S.A. and The Outsiders.

Those of you who liked Red Dawn should check out another film that writer Kevin Reynolds directed a few years later called The Beast, about a Soviet tank crew lost in Afghanistan.


While Worth1000's copyright rules prohibit reproducing the picture here, check out the poster for Red Dawn of the Dead at http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?entry=98148

 

[M2 Carbine]

I asked RedDawn a little more about the movie.

As Mad Man said it was made in Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Parachutist Jim Fisher was a News Reporter for, RD thinks an Albuquerque newspaper.
Fisher was one of the least experienced jumpers.
He is the one, that "pulled his reserve while his main was still opening".

Many of the jumpers were active duty paratroopers doing this on their own time.