Waxing gun magazines

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I was shooting next to a guy today at the range that was putting a small amount of car wax on the magazines for his 1911. He claimed it helped the magazines drop easier in matches. Has anyone else ever heard of this? I'm thinking he was nuts.
 
Nope.

If his magazines aren't dropping freely from his 1911, there's a reason for it that wax won't help (bent lips, mag catch engaging to deeply, etc.).
 
I use Johnson's Paste Floor Wax on Guns & Mags.

For no other reason then it prevents rust, and dirt won't stick to it as much as oil when you drop mags in the dirt.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4110525&postcount=7

I agree, a completely dry & rusty 1911 mag should be ejected forcefully and hit the ground with a clang when you hit the button.

Without waxing then to make it so.

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I've heard of it before with 1911 mags. 1911 mags are so well know for sometimes being reluctant to drop that there is even a term for it in Action Pistol circles...the 1911 Flick.

The Flick is the quick counter-clockwise twist of the wrist the 1911 shooters will give the gun as they hit the magazine release. It is using centrifugal force to throw the mag clear of the frame
 
Back in the early days of IPSC/USPSA - LOTS of guys were waxing their mags. I know I did. Makes it slick and keeps your nasty fingerprints from etching in. You have to reapply after a while, on a hot day the wax will evaporate away.
 
I've heard of it before with 1911 mags. 1911 mags are so well know for sometimes being reluctant to drop that there is even a term for it in Action Pistol circles...the 1911 Flick.

The Flick is the quick counter-clockwise twist of the wrist the 1911 shooters will give the gun as they hit the magazine release. It is using centrifugal force to throw the mag clear of the frame


You can avoid the wax and the 1911 Flick if you are willing to have little known modification done to your 1911 and magazines. The modification does not change anything that would prevent normal operation and use of standard magazines. Years ago, I think George Nonte came up with it, a modification for ensuring the magazine positively ejected was created. It involved modifying the grip frame on the right side under the grip panel to have a small stud at the rear and a small hole at the front. This stud and hole when covered by the grip panel would contain a piece of tubular spring steel that was twisted into a "V". The coil would fit on to the stud and the upper spring arm would be bent at the tip 90 degrees to fit into the hole. Next a vertical slot parallel to the front strap would be milled at the bottom of the grip frame. Finally a small screw head would be attached to a magazine at the appropriate location to pass through the slot in the grip frame and compress the lower arm of the "V" spring. This set-up created such positive magazine ejection that the pistol could be held upside down and the magazine would launch itself completely clear of the pistol. When the pistol was held normally magazine ejection was incredibly fast. It may sound crazy but it does work. I tried it. Sorry, I no longer have the book showing the design and I can't find a picture on-line to post on THR.
 
I remember seeing that Nonte article.

The gun being modified was a Browning Hi-power...another pistol known for not wanting to drop it's magazines when the mag release is pressed
 
Getting slightly off topic, but BHP's also have mouse-trap magazines available where the extra spring is built into the magazine.
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I like those mousetrap springs.

Believe it or not, CZ75s used to have a spring inside the magwell to PREVENT the mags from dropping free. I guess some Eastern European countries didn't want their soldiers losing mags.

Silly concept IMO. As a soldier, if you are so desperate that you have to actually employ your handgun AND reload it, every millisecond saved would be precious.
 
CZ75s, 85s & 97s should still have the mag brake. If you remove the brake, a flat piece of steel with a kink in it, a flat piece of steel without the kink should replace it. Otherwise the mag can hit and interfere with the hammer spring. The flat replacements are available online from CZ Custom. They are very easy to change out. I took mine out of my 75 before flat replacements were available and had no problems, but when I found out about them I got one for my 75 and new 97.
 
I've heard of it before with 1911 mags. 1911 mags are so well know for sometimes being reluctant to drop that there is even a term for it in Action Pistol circles...the 1911 Flick.

One might wonder...

Given that neither the 1911 nor its magazines were designed for games...and that losing magazines in the course of a fight and thus not having any to reload could be a serious thing...maybe they're not supposed to eject at high velocity.
 
The CZ75 B in my possession lets the mags drop free with no effort required. I don't wax the mags but do keep them lubed with a dry slide to keep rust at bay without attracting goop, dirt, etc.

Ounce of prevention you know.
 
Given that neither the 1911 nor its magazines were designed for games...and that losing magazines in the course of a fight and thus not having any to reload could be a serious thing...maybe they're not supposed to eject at high velocity.
There is much to recommend this idea.

It might be the same reason that the original Glock 17 magazines were designed not to drop free
 
1911Tuner -
One might wonder...

Given that neither the 1911 nor its magazines were designed for games...and that losing magazines in the course of a fight and thus not having any to reload could be a serious thing...maybe they're not supposed to eject at high velocity.


There is much to recommend this idea.

It might be the same reason that the original Glock 17 magazines were designed not to drop free
....and that some magazines have lanyard rings.
 
The CZ75 B in my possession lets the mags drop free with no effort required. I don't wax the mags but do keep them lubed with a dry slide to keep rust at bay without attracting goop, dirt, etc.

Ounce of prevention you know.

My brand new CZ75 lets the mags drop really easily......I don't think modern versions employ a mag brake.
 
To amplify that some countries tend to use few magazines, a soldier in the former USSR was issued three AK mags during basic training, and that is all he was likely to see for the duration of his two year enlistment.

It's the US who started the wholesale consumption of magazines in combat with the M16. The original concept was to hand out mags in combat fully loaded and to eject the used ones as spent onto the ground. That fantasy got hammered by logistical reality and never happened. Unfortunately, the magazines didn't get redesigned and we have suffered ever since with the cheap junk metal mags. What we got were ten or more issued up front, with more in base camp. And our web gear sprouted mag pouches exponentially.

If it's ok to dump a mag in competition for a few ticks of a second improvement in time, or a short lived confrontation on the street, then go for it. Over months of use in combat, tho, with limited resupply other than expired teammates surrounding you in your fighting position, maybe not. You won't find more magazines just lying around after a mile hike to a new position, and the system doesn't ship more mags with ammo - you get stripper clips in the bandoliers.

Not mags.

So, having them drop free isn't so much help when you need to place it in an empty pouch for future reuse. That's where competition, a street shooting, and combat differ. The rules don't apply across the board. If my mags shot out like greased lightning to land in the mud every time, I would disable that little spring at the first opportunity.

There is a different remedy, and it also addresses stoppages - relieve the grips so that you can grab the mag and extract it. That is considered a CCW enhancement in some quarters. https://www.google.com/search?q=mag...SJ2AXW14DwDg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=515

Drop free mags is another one of those things that seem ok at first thought, but later prove to be less than beneficial in other circumstances.
 
-Can't say that I've waxed mine, but I've given the mag bodies the FrogLube treatment the same time I did my SD40 VE. Never had an issue to begin with when dropping the mags. Just did it to keep the metal protected. But it sure does give them a slick feeling...

L8R,
Matt
 
...........It's the US who started the wholesale consumption of magazines in combat with the M16. The original concept was to hand out mags in combat fully loaded and to eject the used ones as spent onto the ground. That fantasy got hammered by logistical reality and never happened. Unfortunately, the magazines didn't get redesigned and we have suffered ever since with the cheap junk metal mags. .......

Further complicated by the M16 being stuck with a magazine well designed for rectangular 20 round magazines that require 30 round magazines to manufactured in a less than ideal shape for optimal feeding.
 
It's the US who started the wholesale consumption of magazines in combat with the M16. The original concept was to hand out mags in combat fully loaded and to eject the used ones as spent onto the ground. That fantasy got hammered by logistical reality and never happened. Unfortunately, the magazines didn't get redesigned and we have suffered ever since with the cheap junk metal mags. What we got were ten or more issued up front, with more in base camp. And our web gear sprouted mag pouches exponentially.

Stoner did not design the AR/M16 platform to utilize disposable magazines. The original waffle mags for the AR10 and the follow on blued magazines for the AR15/M16 are quiet robust magazines.

I will say thought that the Canadians with the Orlite Thermomold magazine had the best implementation of the disposable magazine. They were issued in a sealed plastic bag. The concept was to shoot them empty, and leave them where they fell. Cheap plastic for the construction as they weren't going to be used more then once.

-Jenrick
 
CZ75s, 85s & 97s should still have the mag brake. If you remove the brake, a flat piece of steel with a kink in it, a flat piece of steel without the kink should replace it.

It's a European convention, it would appear.

You don't have to remove the mag brake -- just bend it so that it bent toward the mainspring rather than the magazine. (It's best to do this at the top of the brake, but the metal is brittle and easily broken, so be careful.) Most of the newer CZ models come with drop-free mags.

For the standard 75B, you can order a 85 Combat mag brake, which is flat. The Tanfoglio pattern guns, which are based on the CZ design, don't even use a mag brake -- that area is solid metal and part of the grip.
 
Many 1911s seem to suffer from the mag catch holding onto the magazine if pressed all the way in. I cured that on my Kimber and my Springfield by modding the magazine release so the cutout is just a little bit longer. Now I can press it in hard and it doesn't scrub on the mags. Waxing mags is good for rust prevention without attracting crud.

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I waxed the mags for my Rohrbaugh R9 and Kahr CM9 yesterday just because it is so humid and I wanted a protective rust-preventative coating on them.

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