WonderNine
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That's a pretty cool movie, although it's a bit slow in the middle. I downloaded it with Edonkey2000 a couple of months ago. Who needs a VCR? Mines a newer Sony covered with dust that hasn't even been plugged in in over a year 
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NIGHTWATCH
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One of my many favorite scenes from this great movie is the part where Del Torro and Phillipe just exit the hotel bar to confront Cann's posse. Del Torro is up against an adobe pillar. Phillipe calls out: Are you alright? Are you still with me?
Del Torro is a little shaken and short of air, saying under his breath, "yeah Im here. Im still here". Than takes a deep breath and shouts out ,Yeah! And a bullet just misses his head!
I tell you everytime I see that scene I lose a little of my breath.
#2 fav- the very comfortable scene between Del Torro and Cann in the bar. Exchanging their criminal notes.
#3 fav- A very subtle scene where he is on the phone with Tay Diggs (I think thats his name) negotiating with Del Torro and his demands. Just before the conversation ends, Del Torro asks, so, what do you think? Diggs can be heard on the phone saying, it has holes. Del Torro responds by saying, yeah well, we are new at this. - LOL Great film.
from this great movie is the part where Del Torro and Phillipe just exit the hotel bar to confront Cann's posse. Del Torro is up against an adobe pillar. Phillipe calls out: Are you alright? Are you still with me?Del Torro is a little shaken and short of air, saying under his breath, "yeah Im here. Im still here". Than takes a deep breath and shouts out ,Yeah! And a bullet just misses his head!
I tell you everytime I see that scene I lose a little of my breath.
#2 fav- the very comfortable scene between Del Torro and Cann in the bar. Exchanging their criminal notes.
#3 fav- A very subtle scene where he is on the phone with Tay Diggs (I think thats his name) negotiating with Del Torro and his demands. Just before the conversation ends, Del Torro asks, so, what do you think? Diggs can be heard on the phone saying, it has holes. Del Torro responds by saying, yeah well, we are new at this.
- LOL Great film.
I have the original release and there's a pair of commentaries. One w/ the director and composer and one w/ an isolated musical score and the composer. They're in the audio features section of the special features menu.
Whoops! I just noticed where you're at, Admiral Thrawn. You guys probably do have a different version of the DVD.
Devonai
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I've always like the idea that the brothel girls come back after the cops have left, find them and fix them up. You've heard of the prostitute with a heart of gold, what about twenty?
I have the soundtrack and enjoy it greatly.
I have the soundtrack and enjoy it greatly.
If you have to ask if Longbaugh and Parker die, then you missed the segnificance of their names as well as part of the in joke about not telling you if they die.
HINT: ' Kid, the next time I say, "let's go someplace like Bolivia," let's GO someplace live Bolivia. '
Loch
HINT: ' Kid, the next time I say, "let's go someplace like Bolivia," let's GO someplace live Bolivia. '
Loch
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Different versions
I love that so many people are being turned on to one of my favorite flicks. My brother just watched it (while his wife and daughter were out of town) and is now a fan.
As far as different versions, I have the German DVD. The English commentaries are still there, plus German and English audio tracks. There's also a bonus behind-the-scenes featurette not on the US DVD.
The major difference is the cuts, mainly (perhaps only) in the final shootout: The guy who takes the load to the groin is out, and the "payoff" at the end of the "ricochet" scene is gone. If there had been bare breasts, you know they would have stayed. Well, it's listed as being rated for 14 and up, so I guess the cuts were necessary for that.
I love that so many people are being turned on to one of my favorite flicks. My brother just watched it (while his wife and daughter were out of town) and is now a fan.
As far as different versions, I have the German DVD. The English commentaries are still there, plus German and English audio tracks. There's also a bonus behind-the-scenes featurette not on the US DVD.
The major difference is the cuts, mainly (perhaps only) in the final shootout: The guy who takes the load to the groin is out, and the "payoff" at the end of the "ricochet" scene is gone. If there had been bare breasts, you know they would have stayed.
Well, it's listed as being rated for 14 and up, so I guess the cuts were necessary for that.What I found fascinating about the movie is the way Longbaugh is always testing Parker. He knows that the doc has a gun in his case when they're at the truckstop, yet waits to see if Parker notices it. He also tells Parker to get his coat after Parker expresses some reservations about what they're doing, knowing full well that Parker left Juliette Lewis's character alone in the motel room with a loaded shotgun.
Only after seeing Lewis laying in her own blood while the Doc works on saving the baby does his conscience start to bother him and He starts to have doubts about what He is doing.
Best line for me -
"Your prayers aren't always answered in the order they are received" - Parker
Only after seeing Lewis laying in her own blood while the Doc works on saving the baby does his conscience start to bother him and He starts to have doubts about what He is doing.
Best line for me -
"Your prayers aren't always answered in the order they are received" - Parker
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BowStreetRunner
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I want to think Parker and Longbaugh survive....it struck me as silly though when the doctor walked right past them as they lay wounded
oh well
BSR
oh well
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Rawlings
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My favorite moment is probably when Del Toro shoots the bagman's toe from around the corner.
cool45auto
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Lochaber: Come on! You're killin' me! Tell me about the significance (sp?) of the names! What choo talkin' 'bout, Willis??
Bowlcut
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Now linking it to one of my other favorite movies, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. That was a great movie.
I still need to buy this on dvd. I occasionaly open it up and watch the shoot out when I get bored.
I do think they lived, didnt seem like they were totaly bleading out... They had just a mere flesh wound
I still need to buy this on dvd. I occasionaly open it up and watch the shoot out when I get bored.
I do think they lived, didnt seem like they were totaly bleading out... They had just a mere flesh wound
Admiral Thrawn
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That'd be right.... I just double checked the region 4 DVD version, and it has NO special features at all. 
ScottS
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Other great lines:
Del Toro during the interview at the sperm clinic, when he tells the interviewer he has never had sex with dead people. The interviewer gasps, "I didn't ask that!" Del Toro says, "Well, you should."
Del Toro: "There's always free cheese in a mouse trap."
Phillipe: "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen."
I never did understand what the deal was with the guy playing Russian Roulette with the bag of revo's.
Great flick.
Scott
Del Toro during the interview at the sperm clinic, when he tells the interviewer he has never had sex with dead people. The interviewer gasps, "I didn't ask that!" Del Toro says, "Well, you should."
Del Toro: "There's always free cheese in a mouse trap."
Phillipe: "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen."
I never did understand what the deal was with the guy playing Russian Roulette with the bag of revo's.
Great flick.
Scott
Justin
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Warning if you haven't seen WOTG, some spoilers.
Incidently, it was hinted at a couple of times that Joe Sarno* was Robin's father. (In real life Geoffrey Lewis is Juliette Lewis' Dad.)
As to whether or not they lived or died, my personal vote is that they died. Parker and Longbaugh were a couple of scoundrels who tried to bite off more than they could chew by attempting to steal from people who were meaner, older, and wiser than they were. After all, do you really think Joe Sarno would have let them lay there, still alive, if there were any chance that they'd live? But it is an indeterimant ending, which makes it cool to talk about. If they had just wrapped it up in a pretty bow with a happy ending I don't think the movie would have been nearly as good.
*edited because Tamslick pointed out I was wrong. D'oh!
I think it was to show that Abner wasn't the most well-balanced guy. If you watch, when James Caan makes the call to Abner, he looks at a list of people who could potentially be used for this little errand. All the other names are scratched out, and Abner's was the very last one on the list.
Incidently, it was hinted at a couple of times that Joe Sarno* was Robin's father. (In real life Geoffrey Lewis is Juliette Lewis' Dad.)
As to whether or not they lived or died, my personal vote is that they died. Parker and Longbaugh were a couple of scoundrels who tried to bite off more than they could chew by attempting to steal from people who were meaner, older, and wiser than they were. After all, do you really think Joe Sarno would have let them lay there, still alive, if there were any chance that they'd live? But it is an indeterimant ending, which makes it cool to talk about. If they had just wrapped it up in a pretty bow with a happy ending I don't think the movie would have been nearly as good.
Hmmm, interesting. I'd always heard the line as 'Your prayers are always answered, in the order they are received.' That line gets said right before Francesca comes out and tells her husband that she's pregnant, more than likely with Taye Diggs' kid, which basically makes the whole movie a moot point.
*edited because Tamslick pointed out I was wrong. D'oh!
Tamara
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Uh, James Caan was her father in the movie. That's kind of a major plot point. (Remember him saying that his daughter was "working on something that should make him enough money to retire", or words to that effect?
)Darnit. Now I want to go watch it again. At least just the big shootout scenes...
Justin
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D'oh! You're right! *smacks forehead*
I'm up waaaaaay too early. Next time I go to Best Buy, I think a copy of WOTG will follow me home, along with Boondock Saints and Donnie Darko.
Oh yeah, and Equilibrium comes out May 13! W00T!
I'm up waaaaaay too early. Next time I go to Best Buy, I think a copy of WOTG will follow me home, along with Boondock Saints and Donnie Darko.
Oh yeah, and Equilibrium comes out May 13! W00T!
I like the way the old, experienced, level-headed guys with snubbies and pump guns end up beating the hotshot, well-trained, highly-equipped guys.
The young hotshots were very good, but nothing beats experience and a cool head.
No amount of fancy equipment or even training can make up for it.
A real operator can get the job done with even the most basic of tools.
This premise is the same reason I liked The Unforgiven. Clint Eastwood points out that with the balloon goes up, most people cannot function. A cool head and succinct movements wins every time overy a jittery panicked "fast" newbie.
The young hotshots were very good, but nothing beats experience and a cool head.
No amount of fancy equipment or even training can make up for it.
A real operator can get the job done with even the most basic of tools.
This premise is the same reason I liked The Unforgiven. Clint Eastwood points out that with the balloon goes up, most people cannot function. A cool head and succinct movements wins every time overy a jittery panicked "fast" newbie.
Did the skinnies win the battle of Mog in BHD too?
In case you didn't notice, only one of the dozen or so "level-headed guys with snubbies and pump guns" survived and they only won because they drastically outnumbered the "hotshot well-trained highly-equipped guys" and were able to ambush them from hiding while covering a known objective.
*laugh* Unless you're one of the expendable extras. In which case you're gunned down by the hotshots every time.
NIGHTWATCH
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I figured Cann was the father, after his reaction to seeing Lewis when she had just given birth. Im glad someone confirmed that here.
But, did the doc know that he was her father? Twists and turns.
But, did the doc know that he was her father? Twists and turns.
I figured he did, but it's another part of the movie that you can wonder about.
I also thought it was interesting when Longbaugh is teaching Juliette Lewis how to play Hearts. There is a lot of symbolism there. It pretty much sums up Longbaugh's outlook on life. You start caring about someone and it will cost you.
It was also a warning to Parker that he was getting to close to Lewis's character.
Admiral Thrawn
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Cordex is right; during the final gunfight, Parker and Longbaugh gunned down the entire mob of bagmen who had snubbies and pump-action shotguns. With the exception of course being Joe (major character), who snuck up behind Longbaugh as he was distracted helping Parker; not to mention how Longbaugh forgot to reload.
Don Gwinn
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The doc knew that Sarno was her father (he knew her last name was Sarno, after all.)
Sarno did not know that Doc Painter was the father of the baby until the end.
Abner is part of the old guard that Sarno represents, and he's at the end of a mostly useless life, so his despair is overwhelming, but he's calm about it. His death scene is one of the best things in that movie, by the way. Watch it again. Lewis is a genius.
You are not supposed to hope that Longbaugh and Parker made it. They're filthy, murderous hoods and kidnappers. They'd have killed Robin without much more discussion beyond the hotel scene, and they did kill at least three innocent bystanders (watch carefully when they drive away from the hospital at the beginning.) The whole point of telling the story from their point of view was to make sure there would be no heros. To the extent that anyone in the movie could be considered the hero, it would have to be Painter, who redeems himself for "what happened in Atlanta" by saving Robin. Even he's no angel.
Originally, the story was going to be that the reason the two were "off the path" was because they refused to murder a child so that their boss could have his liver--and I'm pretty sure Parker was the one who couldn't pull the trigger. But that was cut to avoid creating sympathy for them, because they're not good people.
Sarno did not know that Doc Painter was the father of the baby until the end.
Abner is part of the old guard that Sarno represents, and he's at the end of a mostly useless life, so his despair is overwhelming, but he's calm about it. His death scene is one of the best things in that movie, by the way. Watch it again. Lewis is a genius.
You are not supposed to hope that Longbaugh and Parker made it. They're filthy, murderous hoods and kidnappers. They'd have killed Robin without much more discussion beyond the hotel scene, and they did kill at least three innocent bystanders (watch carefully when they drive away from the hospital at the beginning.) The whole point of telling the story from their point of view was to make sure there would be no heros. To the extent that anyone in the movie could be considered the hero, it would have to be Painter, who redeems himself for "what happened in Atlanta" by saving Robin. Even he's no angel.
Originally, the story was going to be that the reason the two were "off the path" was because they refused to murder a child so that their boss could have his liver--and I'm pretty sure Parker was the one who couldn't pull the trigger. But that was cut to avoid creating sympathy for them, because they're not good people.
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