We all know Gun Control obviously makes Chicago safer...

[Kind of Blued]

Well, I'll be the first one to say that I hope the innocent folks who were shot get a second chance at life. Chances are, if they're in high school, they didn't have a chance to live anywhere but the brave new world that is Chicago.

 

[ericyp]

Yeah but race is really where the controversy lies. Those other things are merely politically-incorrect but you do something "racist" nowadays and your life is OVER. "Racist" is essentially like what "communist" was in the 1950s. It's a bombshell that can totally destroy someone's life and reputation. You get hit with that label and it's over. You might as well be a child molester.

No, I think those other ones land you in some pretty darn-hot water too. I've never seen an able bodied public figure make fun of disabled people and get away with it. Racism has a certain historical context too, and things like that are always extra touchy. Remember after 9/11 when terrorism was the buzz word and terrorist was one of the worst things you could call someone?

 

[Golden Hound]

Well, we don't have disabled people rioting and burning down their neighborhoods and looting stores when there's controversy over disability-related issues.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Looting and arson are probably pretty difficult when you're in a wheelchair, blind, etc.

 

[ericyp]

I don't understand where you're going with that? I was only pointing out that those other topics, skinny people making fun of fat people, able people making fun of disabled, etc are equally touchy as racism. Are you trying to say that minorities are violent and worse than disabled people so they should not be as touchy about being made fun of by members outside their community as the disabled people are?

 

[donato]

Lets get back to the real point - how well the total gun ban is preventing handgun homicides/violence.

 

[INSULATION TIM]

I have made it a prsonal practice in life to never be anywhere close to a street named MLK. The area just ain't fit for human beings.

 

[DanielW]

I hate that prick Daley. I wish the FBI would get that ******* next.

 

[The_Shootist]

^^

I think Fitz is likely working on it as we speak. Likley the reason Blago is clinging to office , to get a better deal.

 

[notorious]

No, I think those other ones land you in some pretty darn-hot water too. I've never seen an able bodied public figure make fun of disabled people and get away with it. Racism has a certain historical context too, and things like that are always extra touchy. Remember after 9/11 when terrorism was the buzz word and terrorist was one of the worst things you could call someone?

An able bodied politician recently gaffed and told a wheelchair bound senator to stand up because he's a nice guy... Senator McClellan, however, has been disabled due to his service to the country in the Vietnam War. That politician, who has been known to never say anything right in his 32 year career, is now known as the Vice-President Elect.

As far as racism having a historical context? It's all in the media and how you decide to focus on it. I don't see quite the same outrage or outrage at anywhere close to that level when it comes to Asians.

The fact that the Chinese were specifically targeted as having no rights in the west where they were shot at, blown up, and worked to death, without being recognized as contributing to the railroads. Then you have the Chinese Exclusion Act passed by Congress with the intent to restrict Chinese immigration and keep their families overseas so the Chinese can never have roots in this country. The Act also specifically restricted the Chinese to resident alien status and stripped many of citizenship. It finally got repealed in 1943. That's pretty recent.

Then you got the internment and confiscation of Japanese-Americans and their belongings in WW2 because of their race.

How about the Chinese Holocaust at the hands of the Imperial Japanese? 6 million Jews died at the hands of Nazi Germany. 20 million Chinese died under Imperial Japan... and that's a conservative number. Haven't heard too much about it.

Okay... finally, what about how everyone can say "cracker, redneck, whiteboy, etc." and it's cool? Because some white people were bad a few generations ago so every white person now has to pay for it? I didn't do it. My ancestors certainly didn't do it, I looked it up.

If we're going to talk about racism, let's talk about it equally.

Oh... Chicago and the Daley machine suck. They have always sucked. The Alderman and patronage system suck. Corruption is part and parcel of their political landscape.

 

[cbrgator]

Quote:
Is that when you lash out at an old, fat, sickly, poor, black woman??

Nah... I will not take your race baiting and engage in this type of argument.

Notorious,

I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was kidding around. Sorry about that.

 

[Titan6]

A sixth victim from the scene had suffered a fall and was taken to a hospital in good condition, said Rodriguez.

Not just breaking gun laws but also the laws of gravity as well. They should make it illegal for gravity to assault you.

 

[Titan6]

Pretty far afield....

Racism has a certain historical context too, and things like that are always extra touchy. Remember after 9/11 when terrorism was the buzz word and terrorist was one of the worst things you could call someone?

The fact that the Chinese were specifically targeted as having no rights in the west where they were shot at, blown up, and worked to death, without being recognized as contributing to the railroads. Then you have the Chinese Exclusion Act passed by Congress with the intent to restrict Chinese immigration and keep their families overseas so the Chinese can never have roots in this country. The Act also specifically restricted the Chinese to resident alien status and stripped many of citizenship. It finally got repealed in 1943. That's pretty recent.

Try something more current like the expulsion of the Mexicans during the last depression. Everybody was happy to have them slaving away in the fields until US unemployment went into double digits. Then it was Hasta La Vista. I wonder what will happen when the unemployment rate hits 15% in 2010? Actually I don't wonder. We already know the answer.

Or the internment of 3rd generation Japanese Americans during WWII. I wonder what will happen after there is another major terror even in the US?

 

[420Stainless]

Lets get back to the real point - how well the total gun ban is preventing handgun homicides/violence.

The traditional argument is that it is not effective because the scope is not wide enough. If there was a federal ban, then the problem would just go away.

Probably darn near impossible to find crack, heroin, or even Cuban cigars in Chicago these days.

 

[cbrgator]

The traditional argument is that it is not effective because the scope is not wide enough. If there was a federal ban, then the problem would just go away.

Except the federal government cannot outright ban guns. So, while guns are accessible outside of Chicago, there will always be guns inside Chicago, regardless of a piece of paper saying its illegal.

 

[notorious]

Or the internment of 3rd generation Japanese Americans during WWII. I wonder what will happen after there is another major terror even in the US?

I think this was in my post... yeah... this was definitely in my post... and this internment at Manzanar happened before the overturning of the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1943.

Cbrgator, don't worry about it... I was going at it with another psuedo-intellectual so I thought you were going down the same path to make everything about race.

 

[notorious]

Except the federal government cannot outright ban guns. So, while guns are accessible outside of Chicago, there will always be guns inside Chicago, regardless of a piece of paper saying its illegal.

Try telling the Democrats in Congress right now... Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and company are just itching to go on increasing the scope of federal gun bans.

 

[MetalMan52]

Gun Control

As someone who has the misforturne of living in the middle of Chicago and Milwaukee, I hear the statistics on the evening news almost every night. There are a few common threads in almost every one of these shootings, it don't matter what the laws are. They involve young minority males, gangs and drugs, not necessarily in that order. Don't brand me as a racist, just look at the numbers. How many of the murders in Chicago or Milwaukee didn't involve that group? There isn't a politician alive that will tackle the true issues involved this this problem. We have been fighting the "war on drugs" for how many decades? Are drugs any less available now that they were before we started this so called war? I think not. We have created a huge gov't agency but has it been effective? Drugs fuel the gangs. Gangs prey on the young. The minority communities are in disarray, too many single mothers trying to raise too many kids. The gangs feed off of this constant supply of new soldiers to carry out thier dirty deeds. Gang loyalty is everything, laws mean absolutely nothing to them. Untill the minority communities can get their act together, the gov't can get really serious about the drug problem and we realize that laws mean absolutely nothing to these folks, nothing will change for the better. We currently have laws against selling drugs, prostitution, gambling, illegal immigration, murder and gun ownership, guess what, they don't give a ****!!!!!!! They can pass laws from now until hell freezes over and it won't change a thing. All the laws are passed for now is to line the pockets of the lawers, not to protect the innocent or the public good.
Just one person sick of this ****.
Pat

 

[ericyp]

An able bodied politician recently gaffed and told a wheelchair bound senator to stand up because he's a nice guy... Senator McClellan, however, has been disabled due to his service to the country in the Vietnam War. That politician, who has been known to never say anything right in his 32 year career, is now known as the Vice-President Elect.

As far as racism having a historical context? It's all in the media and how you decide to focus on it. I don't see quite the same outrage or outrage at anywhere close to that level when it comes to Asians.

The fact that the Chinese were specifically targeted as having no rights in the west where they were shot at, blown up, and worked to death, without being recognized as contributing to the railroads. Then you have the Chinese Exclusion Act passed by Congress with the intent to restrict Chinese immigration and keep their families overseas so the Chinese can never have roots in this country. The Act also specifically restricted the Chinese to resident alien status and stripped many of citizenship. It finally got repealed in 1943. That's pretty recent.

Then you got the internment and confiscation of Japanese-Americans and their belongings in WW2 because of their race.

How about the Chinese Holocaust at the hands of the Imperial Japanese? 6 million Jews died at the hands of Nazi Germany. 20 million Chinese died under Imperial Japan... and that's a conservative number. Haven't heard too much about it.

Okay... finally, what about how everyone can say "cracker, redneck, whiteboy, etc." and it's cool? Because some white people were bad a few generations ago so every white person now has to pay for it? I didn't do it. My ancestors certainly didn't do it, I looked it up.

If we're going to talk about racism, let's talk about it equally.

Oh... Chicago and the Daley machine suck. They have always sucked. The Alderman and patronage system suck. Corruption is part and parcel of their political landscape.

Well, that was an honest mistake and when he realized it, he immediately said oh what am I talking about. He certainly wasn't intentionally belittling him for being in a wheelchair though. If he did it would've been much more severe backlash against Mr. Biden!

I don't understand what you mean by it's all in the media? Racism only exists in the media? But there certainly IS outrage when it comes to racism against Asians too! But because Asians are a much smaller minority group, you hear from them less often. A few years back Abercrombie had some shirts which depicted stereotypically drawn Asians working in laundry service and they caught quite a bit of flack over that! If you try saying chi*k or goo* you can expect to get flamed pretty badly!

Lastly, things like cracker, honkey, lack the historical context of these other insults. There's little meaning and no history of systematic persecution behind them, and I think that's why they are considered low-level insults.

For example, I could make up a word right now.. um... "kinkle" and tell everyone its the worst racial insult ever made about indian people. And if I start calling indians "kinkles" when I'm mad at them, it also wouldn't provoke the same level of anger. There's nothing behind it, even if they understand I am trying to use it as a racial insult.
Oh also redneck is not a racial insult, it's regarding a personality and living habits.

 

[notorious]

Yeah, I know Joe didn't mean anything by it but it was just funny because he has not said 1 thing right during the whole campaign and the Dems sequestered him after his last gaffe in December when he said Obama will be tested and he probably won't do the right thing and we will question our choice.

However, with the MSM media darling treatment the Dem campaign got, does it matter what they say or do? Name anyone else that can call a whole state of people as being bitter and clinging to their guns and religion and xenophobic and get away with it. Did he get any heat from that?

My statement is saying that the media is the one that perpetuates the stereotypes as in, it is all over the media, not it is only in media. Sensationalism sells. Also, look at how minorities are portrayed in the popular media. Segregation is alive and well in that arena. Contrary to your belief, stereotypes against Asians as well as racial slurs against Asians are used quite often in TV and movies. Every single time an Asian character comes on screen and someone asks if they know kung fu... if they are smart... if they speak English... if they have a non-English name... guess what... there it is. Try doing that against a black or Jewish character.

As far as belittling the usage of race based insults against whites, it is that very same attitude that starts it all. Saying that those words don't mean much condones that behavior. When a nation decides those terms can be used against whites and it's okay, it becomes systematic racism against whites, regardless of any history of persecution. A white person can be called that in broad daylight by a minority and guess what? He better bite his tongue... or just throw back regular non-denominational insults lest he be called a racist because it is the very same attitude like yours that makes it that way.

Redneck is not a racial insult? You ever call anyone except a white person a redneck? Would it make any sense?

Lastly, Chicago is beyond saving because the system there is rotten to the core. The only way to solve it is to get everybody out and start over. However, as that is physically and logistically impossible, they just have to put up with it. Glad I never been there and never will move there, although I would love to try a Chicago Dog someday with all the fixins.

 

[Deanimator]

although I would love to try a Chicago Dog someday with all the fixins.

Nothing too special there, and you can get them in lots of places.

Now, a Chicago Italian beef sandwich is another story. Very hard to get outside of Chicago. There's ONE place in Cleveland where you can get one... if they're still open.

But then there's really very little that's worth a trip to Apartheid Chicago. I go there once a year to see my elderly mother. And she recently moved to the suburbs. I only go to Chicago for Christmas dinner at my aunt's house and to run errands for people. When my mother dies, my trips to Chicago come to a permanent end. I feel dirty for days after coming back.

 

[notorious]

Hmmm... what's a Chicago Italian beef sandwich?

 

[MikePGS]

Hey come on guys, lets get this back on topic already

At what point will people realize that no matter how many laws you pass that you simply can not outlaw guns (nor should you)? Why is there such a great disconnection between logic and reality? We need more people like the alderman in St Lous someone posted about on here a week or more ago. People who realize that there are bad people out there, and that the police will not save you. How do we, as gun owners, educate a populace who has only seen the negative impacts of firearm ownership, and show them that guns can not only be used to shoot people, but can be used for fun? (and of course shooting the violent crackhead who's trying to break into your house)

 

[Lightninstrike]

Ok, showing my ignorance here. I used to live in LA, now happily ensconced in the Mid-West, but I have never heard that term. What the heck is a:

"You are entering a quality of life enforcement zone".

Quality of life enforcement zone? Is that like saying don't go out after dark?

 

[notorious]

Quality of life enforcement zone means that no matter how bad it is, you better have a good time whether you like it or not.

Whenever the government comes up with schlock like that... you know it's in a bad area, the same as what we have in CA with our "Economic Recovery" zones, i.e. ghettos and slums where they are encouraging businesses to invest.