Another criminal killed in Houston

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You would think that the criminals in this area would be thinking twice about breaking into law abiding citizens homes.

Second thought, they are criminals because they are not bright enough to hold a regular job and they do not watch the news or read the papers.



Suspected burglar fatally shot at Harris County home


By KEVIN MORAN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

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A southwest Harris County homeowner shot and killed a man he discovered climbing into a window of his house at about 2:15 a.m. today, investigators said.

Steven Dunbar, 44, died in the window of the home in the 3400 block of Cascadia, Harris County sheriff's homicide Det. Rolf Nelson said.

Nelson declined to name the homeowner but said the man, 32, was asleep in the house with his wife, a son, 6, and an infant daughter when he heard a loud noise.

"The homeowner says he heard a loud noise, possibly a gunshot, that startled him out of bed," Nelson said. "As he got up, he said he heard another loud noise and he said the house was shaking."

The man had retrieved a pistol he keeps and was on his way to investigate the noises when he heard glass breaking in a bedroom.

"When he entered that bedroom, he said he saw a burglar coming through a broken window," Nelson said. "He shot several times and struck the burglar several times, killing him at the scene."

Exactly what Dunbar was trying to do and why there was so much noise before the homeowner discovered Dunbar remains unclear, Nelson said.

Deputies found a back screen door on the back of the house torn from its hinges, which could account for the shaking feeling the homeowner said he noticed after he awoke, Nelson said.

"He's got a pretty extensive criminal record of felonies over the last 13 years," Nelson said of Dunbar. "He has at least 12 arrests for felonies and a half dozen convictions. We don't know if he was intent on some other crime or if it was a burglary for something he could turn into money."

The area around the shooting scene was taped off by deputies at about 3 a.m. today and the homeowner was not available for comment.

The home is in the Forest View subdivision near the intersection of FM 1093 and Addicks-Clodine.

While the investigation continued late this morning, Nelson declined to say exactly how many times Dunbar was shot and where the bullets hit him.

No charges have been filed against the homeowner and the case is expected to be referred to a Harris County grand jury for review, Nelson said.

If the shooting occurred as the homeowner described it, Texas law allowing people to defend their homes from intruders likely will preclude charges being filed. Today's home-invasion fatality appears more clear-cut than that involving Pasadena resident Joe Horn, who shot two men allegedly trying to burglarize his neighbor's home last month.

Horn, 61, is being investigated for the Nov. 14 shootings in front of his home in the 7400 block of Timberline Drive. The two men, Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, are suspected of breaking into Horn's neighbor's home in the middle of the afternoon.

The two men, who were in the country illegally, were confronted by Horn in his front yard after a police dispatcher told Horn not to go outside with his shotgun. Police said both men were shot in the back with a shotgun and died at the scene.

In today's case, Dunbar "had made entry but his whole body wasn't inside yet," Nelson said.

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I like how the reporter refers to the criminals killed in Pasadena as "allegedly trying to burglarize" Joe Horn's neighbors house.

I would think that two guys coming out of a broken window with a sack full of items that do not belong to them are not allegedly burglarizing.
 
Career Criminal

"He's got a pretty extensive criminal record of felonies over the last 13 years," Nelson said of Dunbar. "He has at least 12 arrests for felonies and a half dozen convictions. We don't know if he was intent on some other crime or if it was a burglary for something he could turn into money."
So, I wonder if we can try the judge or DA or prosecutor in his previous cases for "contributing to the delinquency of a known felon?"

Crying out loud.

Someone here on THR, I'm sure of it, has said, in effect, "if you can't trust them among the general population, you don't let them out."

But, hey, he was a good boy and was turning his life around. Again.
 
I would think that two guys coming out of a broken window with a sack full of items that do not belong to them are not allegedly burglarizing."

Bingo!!! Especially in light of the fact that both were illegal aliens and one had been previously deported for drug crimes.
 
"He's got a pretty extensive criminal record of felonies over the last 13 years," Nelson said of Dunbar. "He has at least 12 arrests for felonies and a half dozen convictions. We don't know if he was intent on some other crime or if it was a burglary for something he could turn into money."


And this guy was out of jail why? No tears shed here. If he was so intent on breaking in that he tore a screen door off before breaking in a window, he wasn't there for milk and cookies. Kudos to the home owner.
 
This may have been premeditated, and not just a random act. The home owner's dog had been poisoned not even a week before, and had to be put down... Channel 11 news at Noon, just reported the story. The home owner gave his account to them, but thankfully, he did not do an on camera interview.

Still 2 Many Choices!?
 
Good for the homeowner and the public.

Isn't it proper form to say "allegedly" until someone is convicted?
Yes, innocent until proven guilty, even though it greatly bothers me sometimes, like when the incident is being taped (such as a car chase), and they drag the driver out and immediately arrest the individual.
 
Unless you've got really good reception from the Great Beyond, we're unlikely to know the verdict on Joe Horn's "alleged" burglars.:D
 
You would think that the criminals in this area would be thinking twice about breaking into law abiding citizens homes.

Second thought, they are criminals because they are not bright enough to hold a regular job and they do not watch the news or read the papers.

Many gun people tend to believe that criminals are on the cutting edge of information and have a highly developed information network. Many gun people believe criminals will stop committing crimes just because a few more people in the population can carry concealed. Many gun people believe that criminals take notice of new laws such as CCW laws or castle doctrine laws and immediately change their activities. Many gun people believe these things because it makes them feel good, much like the sheeple to whom they claim to be superior.

Why would criminals take particular notice. Just because bad things have happened to some other criminals recently doesn't mean anything is going to happen to them. These criminals aren't attacking the same well defended targets already written about in the news. It isn't like they were going after Horn's neighbor again. They are after fresh meat.

Crying out loud.

Someone here on THR, I'm sure of it, has said, in effect, "if you can't trust them among the general population, you don't let them out."

But, hey, he was a good boy and was turning his life around. Again.

But Arfin, you know prison time isn't about trust. If you are convicted of a felony, you go to prison, do your time, and eventually get out (unless it is a cap. offense or the like) regardless of whether you have changed or not.

What I just love are all the folks that think felons should get their 2nd amendment rights back after they get out of prison.
 
They are dropping like flies.:)

What is that 6 or 7 killed in Texas in the last several months?

Then there was the two Grandmothers that shot a couple bad guys and the old man that fought with the home invader and shot him with a shot gun. Too bad those three thugs lived.

I think the best one was when the old lady took the car jacker's gun away from him and shot him in the stomach with his own gun.:D
 
Egg Timer Justice

But Arfin, you know prison time isn't about trust. If you are convicted of a felony, you go to prison, do your time, and eventually get out (unless it is a cap. offense or the like) regardless of whether you have changed or not.
Yeah.

Not working, though, is it?

I don't know what the remedy is, but politicians -- legislators especially -- need a refresher course in reality.

They fix what's not broke -- restrict arms from law-abiding citizens -- and leave the broken stuff -- violent bad guys are still violent and bad on release -- the way it is.

What bright spark came up with the egg timer concept? "I know, we'll give them a really long time-out behind bars, and they'll behave."

Sure.

Maybe once. But ". . . at least 12 arrests for felonies and a half dozen convictions . . ." is really pushing the "truly stoopid" envelope.

Though I know the old saying, "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" (Hanlon's Razor), there's another version, Grey's Law, that asserts, "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

When the laws and their enforcement reaches the level of stupidity seen today, either the legislators need to be returned to honest civilian life as incompetent, or they need to be dealt with as malicious entities.

You have a body of folks who are, themselves, "above the law" and who yet somehow believe that a criminal will pay attention to laws from which they have exempted themselves.

So criminals ignore the law, and congress ignores the law. But (with apologies to Mark Twain) I repeat myself.
 
It says Joe Horne shot them in the back? Last I heard he shot them in the front. Like they were at least facing him if not advancing?
 
But Arfin, you know prison time isn't about trust. If you are convicted of a felony, you go to prison, do your time, and eventually get out (unless it is a cap. offense or the like) regardless of whether you have changed or not.

Wanna make sure bad guys aren't quite so bad when they get outta the joint?

Castrate 'em and force feed 'em prozac everyday for the rest of their lives. They'll be like teddy bears.
 
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It says Joe Horne shot them in the back? Last I heard he shot them in the front. Like they were at least facing him if not advancing?

The latest report is they were shot in the back.
A detective witnessed the whole thing. From what he has been reported saying the thugs were advancing on Horn, on his property, and turned at an angle when Horn shot.
The detective must have seen it as a "good shoot" since he didn't arrest Horn and he saw the whole shooting.

From what's being said everyone close to the case appears to think it's a "good shooting".
From what I've heard the shooting is well within Texas law.

As far as shooting those thugs in the back? This isn't some cowboy western high noon shootout, shoot the criminals in whatever is showing.
 
Unfortunately, channel 2 here has indeed not only given the homeowner's name, but shown his house, and had an interview with him (not showing his face).

The man says he has "no regrets" but feels sorry for the burglar's family, and that he was just trying to protect his family.

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