We are WINNING the battle against AWB (victory party will be inside!)

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Well, one thing you can count on is that after the Senate vote, there will be a list of Senators from both parties who will need to be held accountable for their votes. We should start planning how to do that and supporting their opponents in both the primary and general elections.

 

[InkEd]

We are nowhere near winning anything! Feinstein is rewriting her gun grab papers now without any opposing input and the Sneate majority leader promised it would pass!
Wake up! We are not fighting hard enough!

 

[OilyPablo]

Exactly. The word is the Senate will move forth on 10 cap mags and beefed background checks.

 

[Grmlin]

The only thing I heard from Harry Reed was that he would take a look at it. We need to keep contacting all of our reps even the Anti ones.

 

[DMK]

Are you kidding me? Victory party? You are way too gullible.

These snakes will sneak something through. Possibly tacked on to another bill if they have too.

Wishful thinking is not going to save us.

 

[Sol]

My theory is if the government can't further limit weapon restrictions and mag capacity, they may limit who can own them by adding more laws that apply a disability(owing taxes, driving infractions etc). So watch out for pork and cover 360 degrees...preaching to the choir at this point.

 

[Grmlin]

Sol good point, put Veterans with PTSD on the top of that list. I'll be screwed on that one!

 

[tjd78z]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXPlCjr0Vw

 

[hogshead]

The only proposal i see as having a chance of passing is the universal background check, which i wouldn't really lose sleep over nor would most gun owners. Guvonor
You should lose sleep over it. Because of all the crap they tried this is the worst. The anti's are fooling so many gun owners with this it is pathetic. UBC will = gun registration.

 

[Ignition Override]

Imagine the increased future momentum if another similar mass tragedy ever takes place again,
whether adults (i.e. Virginia Tech, Aurora) or not.

Whatever modest changes are about to take place within a couple of months would be only the Beginning.
Nothing is ever cast in stone.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

This is very nice...but don't write it off as a "done deal" with respect to further restrictive gun laws.

A "failed" AWB bill may only be a prelude to some other "less restrictive" gun laws than Senator Feinstein's draconian wishes. Consider it as a maneuver for a possible lead in to such. "We couldn't get these draconian measures, so let's try some smaller, 'more reasonable' measures."

An old ploy.

Keep in mind that, however we may think of liberal politicians, they aren't stupid when it comes to politics. They fully understand what a hard line stance means with respect to shifting political dominance in Congress and the Presidency. Therefore they must play their parts very carefully in order to orchestrate the outcome in ways which support political party control in the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Very likely, this is why Obama's "Executive Orders" (or whatever you wish to call them) were worded they way they were. Very likely, this is why some Democrat politicians are shying away from hardline stances. It does them no good if they go hardball on this, then lose dozens of seats in the House/Senate and lose the next Presidential election.

 

[jwh336]

I agree about individual states adopting their own laws. There are elections next year and their top priority is getting/keeping as many liberals in positions of power. Look at which dems are shying away from the debate, odds are, they're up for reelection next year.

I've written to every politician in the state of PA about the issue.
On aside, whatever happened with Western New York splitting from NYC? New Yorkers really need to push for it. NYC shouldn't dictate the policy of the entire state.

 

[Hypnogator]

In the Immortal Words of Yogi Berra...

...It Ain't Over 'Till It's Over!

 

[R.W.Dale]

You guys have such short attention spans.


What got us here in the first place? Yes remember the murder of school children by a deranged evil madman.

Have we solved the problem of making sure a similar shooting can ever happen again?

No of course not because honestly it's a problem that cannot be legislated away, not that it stops folks with an agenda from exploitation of such an occurrence.

SO having thought that out WHERE will we be when the next shooting takes place. That's right, exactly where we were three weeks ago all over again.

Notice I said when not if.






posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complains about

 

[michaelbsc]

I think winning is *WAY* to optimistic.

Lived to fight another day isn't too bad a description.

This battle is a long way from over folks. The power structures see us as an enemy. Like that or not, that's how it is. We ignore this fact at our peril.

Remember the thread last year about how mere gun ownership was indicative of corrupted judgement according to many in the medical community?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=672394

Well guess what. My wife works in that community, and she commits people sometimes. And it's true. Outside of the rural areas the "gun owners" are viewed skeptically. Certainly this isn't universal in the medical community, but it's wide spread.

And now here we are all fighting off the beast to perhaps have that same medical community certify our sanity as a requirement for ownership? No one here wants that, but Joe Biden would take it as a requirement if he couldn't get anything else. (You must be sane to own a gun. Well, if you want to own a gun that's diagnostic that you're disturbed, so no gun for you mister.)

What I said the day after Sandy Hook is that we, the gun community, need to be seen as the national champions for the mental health community.

They need to love us and swoon when we walk in the door because they see research dollars drip out of our pockets.

The research institutes are the ivory towers of the power structures. Things filter down from there like tablets brought down by Moses. So if we begin to become a coveted funding source, then we become a favored rather than despised social group. The ivory towers have two kinds of favored groups, benefactors and victims. We'll never reach victimhood to them, so we'd better start becoming their benefactors.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

This is not the time to party.

Remember most everyone here was thinking Mitt Romney would be president right now, too.

And even if we win the national fight, we can lose plenty of state fights. I'm in Minnesota, just ask me how I know...

 

[Silent Bob]

Celebrating now would be like the premature victory parties UN forces were having near the Yalu River late October 1950 in Korea right before they started hearing the unexpected sounds of bugles in the valleys.