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Weapons Ban Lacks Votes to Pass Senate

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Old Fuff, Jan 25, 2013.

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  1. Old Fuff

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    This is for those who keep writing letters and sending e-mails, even in the face of certain defeat. You know the ones – the ones who will never give up. The ones who pledge that no legislator or candidate that supports gun control in any way or form will ever get their votes. We haven’t won the fight, but we’ve come along way against heavy odds.

    Oh, and this comes from a source owned and controled by NYC Mayor Bloomberg.

     
  2. fxstchewy

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    Thanks for the Info.........:)
     
  3. WoodchuckAssassin

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    It's a beautiful thing to see the government defending the constitution. Lets keep this trend going!
     
  4. Coop45

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    Now the politicking begins.
     
  5. sota

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    you mean it's a beautiful thing to see our masters and overlords realising the inmates just might get cactus swinging mad enough at them to DO something about it (like vote them out.)

    they still need to get kicked to the curb. any representative that so much as sneezed in favor of gun control should be removed.
     
  6. Bighouse Doc

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    This is FAR from over!

    -Doc
     
  7. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    Good news; but the vote is tighter than that article indicates. For one thing, at least some Republican Senators will vote for a ban, so we need more than 6 Democrats to win a majority vote.

    Second, some of Senators they describe as uncertain or maybe are questionable. Susan Collins has voted for every previous AWB, so I'll be surprised if she doesn't vote for this one... And Joe Manchin is already on record with the "no one needs more than 10 rounds nonsense."

    We've got lots of reasons to celebrate and be positive; but we cannot let up and we can't get lazy. This is going to be an all or nothing fight.
     
  8. Silent Bob

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    The fat lady definitely hasn't sang on this one. The Democrats not in favor of a new AWB or wavering are going to have to withstand an incredible amount of party and media pressure (think Challenger Deep at the bottom of the Marianas Trench level of pressure) demanding their vote for it.
     
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    Make sure you email to support every (the few ) Democrat and RINOs who has voiced being against it.

    They hold the keys.
     
  10. Old Fuff

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    Of course it isn't a done deal! But up until today the media's
    “talking heads" have told us that the ban would pass in the Senate, but probably get hung up in the House.

    But then came a flood of mail and messages. Now suddenly the Senate is questionable and nobody wants to talk about the situation in the House, that if anything is even more unlikely to pass a ban because they are equally under piles of communications, and 100% of the members are up for election in 2014.

    If the pressure and leverage these messages represent doesn’t slack off we may be starting down the mountain rather then crawling up.

    One thing is for sure. The reaction is nothing like what the ban's supporters expected.
     
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    Keep in mind it takes 60 not 51 votes nowadays to get something through the senate.
     
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    Just keep in mind it could be a ploy to get the pro-guns to exhale and relax/slack off. Just before useless won the election, a lot of the news outlets were saying Romney had a good chance.
     
  13. 5 Screw Smith

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    How many senators are willing to fall on their swords again to vote for another AWB?

    I'm guessing not too many. :uhoh:
     
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    More pressure

    then

    some more
     
  15. icanthitabarn

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    The dems might be planning a huge head fake. Come out as a bunch of righties with a fresh new outlook and get a bunch of future rep. votes that they have proven not to deserve anyways.
     
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    This makes me happy :D:D:D
     
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    I may actually get some sleep tonight. Thank you!
     
  18. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Actually, one of the recent changes is that you can no longer filibuster the motion to proceed (only one chance now vs. two previous).

    However, the Chairman of the House Judiciary has said no gun control is making it through his committee. I think it is definitely worthwhile to point out to those Senators up for reelection in 2014 that supporting gun control may cost them a lot in 2014 and the bill will still fail anyway.
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  19. Yo Mama

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    Sorry, but the media is good at using this to get people to stop calling and writing. All of a sudden Senate Committee passes, Senate approves. I don't see how it doesn't.

    The House I'm not as worried about, for now.
     
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    Let's not celebrate before the struggle is actually won. Some members can change their views. The AWB '13 can be reworked after the authors see what will meet complete and unyielding resistance such that those provisions constitute a "poison pill" for passing and need to be removed. We've seen a too much waffling on universal background checks and on magazine capacity to be comfortable that those are deal breakers for some politicians.

    We've seen far to much media support for modern sporting rifle bans and magazine capacity restrictions to relax. We also face state attacks like the battle won in NY by Antis (sure the struggle isn't over but the first round goes to the Antis).
     
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    It's sad that we've been relegated to a system in which two political parties and their more-or-less standardized "views" on issues have taken over what should be first a Constitution-based and secondly a constituency-focused legislature.

    The Constitution is threatened, and we are going to see what pretty much boils down to "sides of the aisle" vote, just like we see on every major issue facing our nation. The system is broken.
     
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    There are more than one way to skin a cat.

    While everyone is focused on Feinsteins bill in the Senate and all of the multiple bills in the House of Representatives the libs might try to get provisions passed by adding them as riders/amendments on other totally non-gun related bills. This is a very common tactic.
     
  23. bubbameat

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    Keep calling! Keep writing! Stay on their rear ends. As soon as you see a commercial pressuring a politician on the fence call and send another email. If they waver hit them again.
     
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  24. wojownik

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    This ain't over. Even when it's over, it won't be over.

    There's a lot of social and media pressure on this one. It looks like the votes aren't there right now, but things can happen.

    And, if and when the Feinstein bill fails, count on one or more different forms of legislation to follow up after that ... maybe a specific magazine restriction bill, maybe also a watered down form of an AWB bill, etc. etc...

    The Feinstein bill is such an overreach, it makes many things look "reasonable" by comparison. The real political pressure may come to pass something "lesser" (but still problematic) if the Feinstein bill fails.

    This is going to be a year long dance in Congress ... maybe longer.

    It'll certainly be longer to roll back the questionable legislation that NY, NJ, CT, MA and others are shoving down the throats of their citizens.
     
  25. phil dirt

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    This fight will NEVER be over. We must keep up the pressure.

    I see that the Communist USA party has voiced its approval of all of Feinstein and Obama's gun ban agenda. This is more than a fight to protect our right to self defense. It is a fight to protect the Constitution from tyrants who would first disarm us.
     
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