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InkEd said:
It is standard policy at most hospitals.
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Many hospitals have a psychiatric treatment ward. Many more cater to people that have brain injuries or diseases that can cause them to lash out unexpectedly. It isn't about trying to disarm honest people. It really is about trying to prevent harm to patients and caregivers.

Can you imagine the out cry if a 6'5" former defensive lineman with a brain injury got his hands on a gun? I have seen something very similar happen during a psych patient transport. Luckily the cop had unloaded the gun and stored his mag before hand. The patient had a 2 pound hammer. It wasn't very effective against a tazer.

The chance of a mentally disturbed or diseased patient getting a weapon in a hospital is higher than most people understand. That is why they take those precautions. They allready have to worry about IV needles, scissors, and numerous other small easily concealed things. Eliminating unnecessary threats is pragmatic.
 
MikeNice said:
The chance of a mentally disturbed or diseased patient getting a weapon in a hospital is higher than most people understand. That is why they take those precautions. They allready have to worry about IV needles, scissors, and numerous other small easily concealed things. Eliminating unnecessary threats is pragmatic.
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Emphasis mine. Derogatory terms like "retard strength" apply, also, to disturbed patients. You do NOT want to get into a physical struggle over your firearm with someone who has, literally, nothing to lose because he doesn't know he can lose it. No fear + high adrenaline = very strong individual.
 
I live in Maine, and the hospital in Bangor has a gun check right at the front counter. Yet the one in my town doesn't have a sign anywhere stating I cannot bring a firearm in. So i'm not sure if it's state law or not
 
As an LEO I have never had a problem with hospitals in CO. I have had to make arrests, transports and other official visits to them and have never been asked to disarm with one exception. The basement of Denver health is operated by the Sheriff's office and is a secure jail facility and they have lockers for LEO weapon storage. The only places I have ever been asked to disarm have been secure facilities such as jails and prisons.
 
strm trpr said:
As an LEO I have never had a problem with hospitals in CO. I have had to make arrests, transports and other official visits to them and have never been asked to disarm with one exception. The basement of Denver health is operated by the Sheriff's office and is a secure jail facility and they have lockers for LEO weapon storage. The only places I have ever been asked to disarm have been secure facilities such as jails and prisons.
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In fairness, I think half of the doctors pack at DG. If they don't, they ought to. In fact, when I attended an ATK wound ballistics workshop through my department last summer, three or four ER doctors from DHMC showed up. They were a lot of fun to hang out with at that seminar, and seemed really into the gun stuff.

Either way, aside from a few of the lost-in-space social workers at that hospital, I'm usually pretty happy to work with the folks at DHMC from a gun-toting officer perspective. I think the 'Denver Knife and Gun Club' is just a bit more accustomed to firearms: Armed security, armed sheriffs, and armed officers from every local department pass through there each day.

And, on a lighthearted side note, a nurse at DHMC even threatened to pistol whip me the other day, after I threw her a smart-ass comment. Lets face it, a truly liberal hospital worker certainly wouldn't threaten to use a gun to whip someone! ;)
 
I went into my dads nursing home today to pay my monthly $4600. care bill at the Maquoketa Care Center 1202 German St., Maquokets, Iowa I came upon on a no gun sign at the front door.
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REALLY?!!! Are legally armed citizens in nursing homes a big problem these days?

Maybe the sign should read "No Firearms and No Bruce Willis allowed in this facility because we saw all the Die Hard movies and know all too well what he is capable of."
 
What the heck am I supposed to post. Harley

I am still pissed off. The director was a butt hole. Jackson County has always been a Shall Issue county unlike some other counties in Iowa. Jan 1st made them all shall issue. The Sheriff can't pick and choose as long as the Federal / State background check passes and one takes a NRA class. I have carried for 40 years there and never had I seen signs. As a kid I rode my bicycle with a holstered .22 Ruger MK1 to the IKES Club to plink at the edge of town. I guess i am used to a free America.

I have guns...see my posts. GO ARMY!!!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7274563#post7274563
 
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rogertc1 said:
I went into my dads nursing home today to pay my monthly $4600. care bill at the Maquoketa Care Center 1202 German St., Maquokets, Iowa I came upon on a no gun sign at the front door. I talked to the manager who said it was the Nursing Association. She asked me if I was carrying. I was not. She said she doesn't want guns in there. I said I'd take my dad out (I PAY) she shrugged and said go ahead. So I will.

Jackson County in Iowa had been a shall issue since 1972 and has issued carry permits. Iowa recently went to a total all issue state as of Jan 1st. It is not up to the County Sheriff anymore.

Anyway I was upset, I have had a carry permit since 1972 and now it is not permitted to see my dad?
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Maybe there's a difference between nursing homes, assisted care, and RETIREMENT homes (besides the obvious, lol)

My uncle is at the Masonic Lodge Retirement Home in Boone, IA and he has/keeps a few of his favorite "collectable" handguns in his room/unit/apt/suite. Now GRANTED - he IS in the "retirement center" portion of the home, but within the same walls and under the same roof of the 4city block facility, is a "nursing home" portion, "assisted care" portion" and on down to the 24hour per day care portion - including the final stage - the hospice portion of the home.


The staff knows his stuff is there (he has a small safe) - the maintenance guys come down and drool with envy over his collection.

Whenever I go visit, I always take my "latest and greatest" gun acquisitions to show him and the staff members that enjoy the hobby.

Since IA passed their ccw/reciprocity this past January, I have concealed carry within the retirement center and have seen no signs indicating differently.

But then again, as I said at the begining - I'm distinguishing the differences between, "nursing" "assisted care" and "retirement" homes...
 
That will do :) I really understand, I am angry about the trend in America myself...And I am :confused::uhoh::cuss:

What the heck am I supposed to post. Harley

I am still pissed off. The director was a butt hole. Jackson County has always been a Shall Issue county unlike some other counties in Iowa. Jan 1st made them all shall issue. The Sheriff can't pick and choose as long as the Federal / State background check passes and one takes a NRA class. I have carried for 40 years there and never had I seen signs. As a kid I rode my bicycle with a holstered .22 Ruger MK1 to the IKES Club to plink at the edge of town. I guess i am used to a free America.

I have guns...see my posts. GO ARMY!!!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...63#post7274563
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I am with the OP. If my dad was in a private nursing center and they acted like that, I would take my dad and my $$$$ elsewhere.

Guys, everything written on why you should not...all excuses, not a single reason. Reason? State law says you cannot carry into a restricted Jail area, or a restricted mental health area..OK, that is a reason, the law says so...all others are excuses.

I am amazed at how many on this forum have swollowed the anti's arguments why firearms should not be allowed here or there. Bull.

I/you/we are not better or worse than the next guy. If we can legally carry, it just means we obey the law for the most part (except for my wife, in 62 years she has never ever had a speeding or parking ticket, personally I have had a few of them).

Anyway, law abiding citizens, are just that law abiding citizens, they feel the law applies to them......the criminals and the crazies do not care what the law is...so when you restrict firearms you don't help anything because those that don't care about the law won't abide it any way.
 
57 posts later and OP person has not added, except OP.
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What the hell is "OP" as an acronym?? Are acronyms added to aid some in feeling a sense of superiority? The last time I checked the High Road is not limited in character usage.
 
The good news is that in Iowa Hospitals and nursing homes are not prohibited places. They can post it and they can enforce it, but all they can do is ask you to leave. If you don't then you can be cited for trespassing, but there is no additional penalty for being armed.
 
I honestly wouldn't have worried about their sign. Most states a sign like that doesn't mean squat. I'd keep my gun concealed, not say anything, and keep on going. What folks don't know doesn't hurt them and isn't any of their business. I've never gone through metal detectors at a nursing home but have carried guns at nursing homes when visiting folks. The people there didn't know.
 
OP is used at times, for original post...
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There are too many acronyms flying about these days on the internet to know what could've been implied by the letters "OP".

Thank you for taking the time to reply like a the true gentleman that you are. :barf: :neener:
 
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There are no more emotional groups than teachers and nurses. Why, I'll leave to you to determine. No amount of logic will dislodge these groups from believing what they want to believe about what will make their environs safe. And I would also submit that it is not the rank and file that is putting out this pablum. It is the leadership of the nurses union and the teachers union that places these restrictions in workplaces, and makes them more dangerous as a result.
 
I realize now what I should have done is just take the sign down and not say anything. No one would have noticed. I just got too emotional. Still sucks.
Thanks all.

Roger
 
hermannr said:
Guys, everything written on why you should not...all excuses, not a single reason. Reason? State law says you cannot carry into a restricted Jail area, or a restricted mental health area..OK, that is a reason, the law says so...all others are excuses.
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Have you every worked with or dealt with alzheimers patients? They can become violent and dangerous instantly.

My grandmother had alzhiemers. She was 75 years old and about 105 pounds. She put my 5'9" 195 pound uncle in the emergency room. (He works as a carpenter and drywall man. He is in better physical shape than most 20 year olds.) She looked at him and started yelling the name of a boy friend that use to beat her. She went ballistic and by the time it was all over she had broke his knee and nose.

She had also had gotten his multi tool off of his belt. When my dad and me walked in she was saying, "**** these butterfly knives" and trying to get it open. She was planning on stabbing him to death.

It is not an excuse to keep guns out of places like retirement homes. It is a real danger to people in the building. They aren't worried about the criminals. They are worried about the patients.

If the OP objects to the policy I encourage him to take his money elsewhere. However, it is important that people know there are legitimate reasons for keeping guns out of certain places. Even the ones that seem bizarre can be reasonable for those with experience.
 
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