Weapons cache found in traffic stop
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DoubleTapDrew
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Google said YRSWYS=Yeah Right Sure, Whatever You Say.
Do I win a prize?
I hope the owner got them back. They make it sound as if they aren't registered the owner wouldn't get them returned.
Do I win a prize?
I hope the owner got them back. They make it sound as if they aren't registered the owner wouldn't get them returned.
Working Man
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Yup... gold star to be claimed at you local CVS, Walgreens, or school supply store.
Thanks though.
Thats like the "I'm appalled at your intolerance of my intolerance".
Novus Collectus
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If they weren't registered then he would still have gotten them back. I was speaking to a guy I used to work with just a few days ago and he was telling me he got a pistol back recently that was stolen from him back in the early ro mid 1990s and was finally recovered on the streets of Baltimore about two years ago from fleeing criminals who dropped it.
The reason they said it took two years was that there was a hurricane (tropical storm) that flooded parts of Baltimore and the station's records were water damaged. When they finally got to his gun, they tracked him down by looking up purchase records (or a gun trace?) and that was proof enough it was his and they let him pick up his gun (after a state backround check, a seven day wait and a ten dollar backgound fee
).
In Maryland registration is voluntary and no one I have met yet has ever registered one.
Even if the handgun came from an out of state purchase, people still have the serial number on file and they can put it in the police report just as well as, if not easier than registering it.
The reason they said it took two years was that there was a hurricane (tropical storm) that flooded parts of Baltimore and the station's records were water damaged. When they finally got to his gun, they tracked him down by looking up purchase records (or a gun trace?) and that was proof enough it was his and they let him pick up his gun (after a state backround check, a seven day wait and a ten dollar backgound fee
).In Maryland registration is voluntary and no one I have met yet has ever registered one.
Even if the handgun came from an out of state purchase, people still have the serial number on file and they can put it in the police report just as well as, if not easier than registering it.
iiibdsiil
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So what's a routine traffic stop? Sounds like they were on a fishing expedition to me. But, all is okay because they turned out to be criminals.
haole_boySS
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I live in this area. Its about 10 mins from my house. LaPlata is the Charles County seat. The court houses are there and they have their own "town of laplata" police.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that it was a routine stop or the dog smelled anything. Didn't you read in the story that the heist was "day time". Just like all of us have, a nosey neighbor saw the robbery go down and called to tip off the cops.
I also have a few questions of my own. How did those thug kids know of the weapons he had in the house? Why doesnt this guy have a safe? Why dont you have your house alarmed?
Ever heard the saying, locking the door stops the honest criminal? ie: did this guy bring it on himself by being too open with the neighbors? Got too careless with what he told others?
Anyway, the whole thing seems really fishy to me.
Why was there a police dog there in the first place? Last I checked, MSP does not have any K-9 units, at least in my 32 yrs in MD I have never seen one. It had to be one of my local Charles County cops there with the K-9.
If you get pulled over for a routine stop and the cop says he smells Alcohol, or weed...does he need to call in a K-9 to prove it before the search is legit??
I'll have to call one of my friends in CCPD and find out the real story.
Andy
Anyway, I seriously doubt that it was a routine stop or the dog smelled anything. Didn't you read in the story that the heist was "day time". Just like all of us have, a nosey neighbor saw the robbery go down and called to tip off the cops.
I also have a few questions of my own. How did those thug kids know of the weapons he had in the house? Why doesnt this guy have a safe? Why dont you have your house alarmed?
Ever heard the saying, locking the door stops the honest criminal? ie: did this guy bring it on himself by being too open with the neighbors? Got too careless with what he told others?
Anyway, the whole thing seems really fishy to me.
Why was there a police dog there in the first place? Last I checked, MSP does not have any K-9 units, at least in my 32 yrs in MD I have never seen one. It had to be one of my local Charles County cops there with the K-9.
If you get pulled over for a routine stop and the cop says he smells Alcohol, or weed...does he need to call in a K-9 to prove it before the search is legit??
I'll have to call one of my friends in CCPD and find out the real story.
Andy
Aguila Blanca
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Amazing, isn't it?
Nobody thinks it's "excessive" when a 75-year old guy has to buy a larger house because his basement isn't big enough to house his HO train layout, or his wife needs more space to display her 10,000 Hummels. But 29 firearms is "excessive."
cassandrasdaddy
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state police
have had a canine unit as long as i can remember. to the 70's at leasr
have had a canine unit as long as i can remember. to the 70's at leasr
jbleinweber
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Routine traffic stop=
Equipment violation
speeding
moving violation, etc..etc...etc..
This means anything other that a felony type stop, although any LEO will tell you that there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop.
Equipment violation
speeding
moving violation, etc..etc...etc..
This means anything other that a felony type stop, although any LEO will tell you that there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop.
iiibdsiil
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That's my point. What was he originally pulled over for? No blinker? Tail light out? What's the excuse?
Blame the media for not reporting why he was pulled over. This story is about cops who recovered stolen firearms and you're concerned as to why the cops stopped him. So many people have this feeling the police are Darth Vader's stormtroopers, blindly following the orders of the evil emperor. I agree the media included the comments of a neighbor as though she was some kind of expert on law enforcement, firearms, or ?
I might be asked why I have over 100 cameras. Sounds subversive doesn't it
I might be asked why I have over 100 cameras. Sounds subversive doesn't it
oldcop1971
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Everyone knows...
that cameras are used by terrorists who are 'casing' their targets. Go turn yourself in to the .gov types first thing in the morning. lol
Everyone "KNOWS" that all cops are :
1) dirty
2) liars
3) fill in the blank of your choice
I get soooo tired of people instantly assuming that the cops did something illegal or wrong all the time. I'd rather let someone go if I don't have legal cause to pull them over or search their vehicle than to violate the law/their rights. Are there some bad cops out there? Sure. Are we all bad? NO, the vast majority are just folks trying to do their job to the best of their ability, within the confines of the law and Constitution. For this place to be named the HIGH ROAD, there are a lot of posters whose minds seem to be in the gutter.
oc71
that cameras are used by terrorists who are 'casing' their targets. Go turn yourself in to the .gov types first thing in the morning. lol
Everyone "KNOWS" that all cops are :
1) dirty
2) liars
3) fill in the blank of your choice
I get soooo tired of people instantly assuming that the cops did something illegal or wrong all the time. I'd rather let someone go if I don't have legal cause to pull them over or search their vehicle than to violate the law/their rights. Are there some bad cops out there? Sure. Are we all bad? NO, the vast majority are just folks trying to do their job to the best of their ability, within the confines of the law and Constitution. For this place to be named the HIGH ROAD, there are a lot of posters whose minds seem to be in the gutter.
oc71
Flyboy
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Two things about dogs
1) From what I've heard, I have no trouble believing the dogs actually did detect residual drugs (money, etc.). However, even if we concede that point, a subtle signal to the dogs is not necessarily an act of malice. Consider the case of Clever Hans, the horse who could solve arithmetic probems. In reality, the horse had no such skill; he merely watched for the reaction of the audience and his handler, who were subconsciously--read that again, subconsciously--providing feedback. Even if the cops were giving signals to the dog, it's not necessarily an act of malice.
2) That said, I'm not ready to concede that the dogs didn't smell drugs. In fact, Robo_Railer's statement,
Why? As several have pointed out, the portion of our money supply "contaminated" with drug residue (usually cocaine, I think) approaches unity. If dogs can smell that small amount of cocaine we all carry, then dogs are going to alert on all of us. It's arguable whether this represents a false-positive: strictly speaking, it's an accurate positive result, but the test is so sensitive as to flag on what is, essentially, noise. It's accurate and meaningless. The question, then, is this: if dogs are so sensitive as to (accurately) trigger on nearly everybody, are they a worthwhile method of investigation? If the false-meaningful-positive rate is high enough, are dogs an investigative tool, or a nuisance to the innocent?
Coronoch, Jeff Whilte, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this. What is your experience with dogs and trigger rates? Are they really that sensitive? How often do you have a dog alert and not find anything, and what happens to the citizen who experiences such a situation?
1) From what I've heard, I have no trouble believing the dogs actually did detect residual drugs (money, etc.). However, even if we concede that point, a subtle signal to the dogs is not necessarily an act of malice. Consider the case of Clever Hans, the horse who could solve arithmetic probems. In reality, the horse had no such skill; he merely watched for the reaction of the audience and his handler, who were subconsciously--read that again, subconsciously--providing feedback. Even if the cops were giving signals to the dog, it's not necessarily an act of malice.
2) That said, I'm not ready to concede that the dogs didn't smell drugs. In fact, Robo_Railer's statement,
if true, is grounds for grave concern.
Why? As several have pointed out, the portion of our money supply "contaminated" with drug residue (usually cocaine, I think) approaches unity. If dogs can smell that small amount of cocaine we all carry, then dogs are going to alert on all of us. It's arguable whether this represents a false-positive: strictly speaking, it's an accurate positive result, but the test is so sensitive as to flag on what is, essentially, noise. It's accurate and meaningless. The question, then, is this: if dogs are so sensitive as to (accurately) trigger on nearly everybody, are they a worthwhile method of investigation? If the false-meaningful-positive rate is high enough, are dogs an investigative tool, or a nuisance to the innocent?
Coronoch, Jeff Whilte, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this. What is your experience with dogs and trigger rates? Are they really that sensitive? How often do you have a dog alert and not find anything, and what happens to the citizen who experiences such a situation?
iiibdsiil
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Griz22, so if they were on a fishing expedition, it's okay? Everything I've heard about "routine traffic stops" is that it's an excuse for the cops not having a REAL reason to have actually pulled you over. You know, for stuff like being Black, Hispanic, in a Black neighbor and being White, etc.
So, what you are saying is that it is okay, since they found guns, and they are criminals? And you won't be yelling "illegal search" when it happens to you. That's what's wrong with society. It's okay when they find something bad, but as soon as they don't and it happens to you, it's harassment.
So, what you are saying is that it is okay, since they found guns, and they are criminals? And you won't be yelling "illegal search" when it happens to you. That's what's wrong with society. It's okay when they find something bad, but as soon as they don't and it happens to you, it's harassment.
iiibdsiil, I can assure you that if the initial stop was illegal everything gained from that stop was gained illegally. That's Criminal Justice 101 stuff. Even the most incompetent public defender will look for that. The guns would still be returned to their owner but all charges would be dismissed if the initial stop was illegal.
I don't have to worry about being it happening to me. I'm not a criminal and will never be breaking into someone's house and stealing their guns. If you have to worry about being caught I can only tell you to stop doing that activity. What's wrong with society is people who do do something illeagl and blame it on society.
If you have some unwarranted fear of police I can't change that.
If the police are so bad where you live let the ACLU know and they can have a field day with lawsuits and criminal charges.
I don't have to worry about being it happening to me. I'm not a criminal and will never be breaking into someone's house and stealing their guns. If you have to worry about being caught I can only tell you to stop doing that activity. What's wrong with society is people who do do something illeagl and blame it on society.
If you have some unwarranted fear of police I can't change that.
If the police are so bad where you live let the ACLU know and they can have a field day with lawsuits and criminal charges.
Carl N. Brown
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We are working from a NEWSPAPER report. When reporters don't
know anything they will put in boilerplate space filler.
29 is excessive?
Humm. I was started on my hobby of shooting and hunting
by shooting with my dad at the old farm when I was six.
I was given a .22 rifle for Christmas when I was thirteen.
I bought my first gun (a Glenfield 99G) when I was fifteen.
Since then I have averaged buying or trading two guns a
year and have retained most of them. I shoot in muzzleloader,
black powder cartridge, vintage military, .22 sillouette and
may take up modern military match shooting next year.
If someone like Tina Herring heard how many guns (and
pounds of gunpowder) I own, I shudder to imagine
her reaction.
know anything they will put in boilerplate space filler.
29 is excessive?
Humm. I was started on my hobby of shooting and hunting
by shooting with my dad at the old farm when I was six.
I was given a .22 rifle for Christmas when I was thirteen.
I bought my first gun (a Glenfield 99G) when I was fifteen.
Since then I have averaged buying or trading two guns a
year and have retained most of them. I shoot in muzzleloader,
black powder cartridge, vintage military, .22 sillouette and
may take up modern military match shooting next year.
If someone like Tina Herring heard how many guns (and
pounds of gunpowder) I own, I shudder to imagine
her reaction.
JohnBT
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According to today's Washington Post, the car was stopped at 1:30 p.m. for erratic driving. It didn't say precisely what kind of erratic. The 3 young men in the car said they didn't know anything about the guns in the trunk or the $1500 that was also found.
$10k divided by 29 is what, almost $345. The man had some cheap guns.
John
$10k divided by 29 is what, almost $345. The man had some cheap guns.
John
Coronach said;
Just to back Mike up on that, one night a pulled a car over because it had no taillights and all four of the occupants had been sharing two joints. Concerned that I'd smell it when I walked up to the drivers window, they lit 6 cigartettes between the four of them and puffed away. When the driver rolled the window down, it was like a scene from a Cheech and Chong movie. So much smoke rolled out I thought the upholstry was on fire.
It's really pretty common for them to drive around smoking dope and it's not uncommon at all to have the K9 hit on the residual odor and all you can find are a few seeds in the carpet.
Jeff
Just to back Mike up on that, one night a pulled a car over because it had no taillights and all four of the occupants had been sharing two joints. Concerned that I'd smell it when I walked up to the drivers window, they lit 6 cigartettes between the four of them and puffed away. When the driver rolled the window down, it was like a scene from a Cheech and Chong movie. So much smoke rolled out I thought the upholstry was on fire.
It's really pretty common for them to drive around smoking dope and it's not uncommon at all to have the K9 hit on the residual odor and all you can find are a few seeds in the carpet.
Jeff
Novus Collectus
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One time about ten years ago I was waiting for a case to get before the judge in circuit court in my county in MD and a case came up for possesion of a joint. The man plead guilty and so all was needed was the formality of reading the police report.
The reason for stopping the rental car with a black driver was the officer noticed a loose license plate screw
(the idiot let the officer search the car when the officer asked him)I thought it was funny until about fifteen minutes later another case came up for possession of a few grams of weed this time and the black guy who was driving a rental car also plead guilty as well. The police report said the probable cause for a stop was a loose screw holding the license plate on!
(he too vouluntarily submitted to a search).Now I'm chuckling to myself about how bold and blatant Prince George's police are, when the judge makes a sarcastic crack "gee, the Prince George's police sure have good eyesight"
The few of us still left in the courtroom all laughed out loud. (for those of you that are familiar with PG, it was the notoriously funny judge Vincent Femia)
I can't speak for Charles County, but the city of Baltimore has been investigated, Baltimore County police have been suspected of racial profiling (or was in Montgomerry?) and the state conducted an investigation. My county's police has had the courts intervene, there had been two 60 Minutes reports on the force's police burtality (in the 80s), they had to institute one of those citizen's panels and the FBI has had to take over many prosecutions of officers and more than a few have been sent away for many years on civil rights abuses.
With all of this, you can understand why many of us Maryland gun owners are super paranaoid about stopping to get gas or take a piss at a gas station even on our way back from the range because technically speaking that might be illegal and the way many officers are around here with their "great vision" with which to see "loose tag screws" and love to search vehicles every chance they get it seems, most of us are looking over our shoulder even when we think we are obeying our loosely worded state firearms laws......no one wants to be the first test case that defines the loosely worded law.
iiibdsiil
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Yeah, erratic driving. Something that can't be proven like a tail light being out. I'd love to see the video on that one.
So, it's okay if the cop pulls you over for a license plate screw being loose and then all of a sudden wants to search the vehicle? Since you've got nothing to hide?
I got searched because I had a plastic spoon wrapper on the floor, and Mr. Officer claimed it was a blunt wrapper. So what? I can't smoke cigars? It was either let him search my car, or wait for the drug dog for an hour in 90* heat without AC. Which, if I wasn't speeding, I would have made him sit around, but I wanted a break on the ticket.
Many cops pull stuff out of their butts when they can tell something is up. Just because they find something doesn't make it right.
So, it's okay if the cop pulls you over for a license plate screw being loose and then all of a sudden wants to search the vehicle? Since you've got nothing to hide?
I got searched because I had a plastic spoon wrapper on the floor, and Mr. Officer claimed it was a blunt wrapper. So what? I can't smoke cigars? It was either let him search my car, or wait for the drug dog for an hour in 90* heat without AC. Which, if I wasn't speeding, I would have made him sit around, but I wanted a break on the ticket.
Many cops pull stuff out of their butts when they can tell something is up. Just because they find something doesn't make it right.
Novus Collectus
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A cop in Maryland once told me that if they say they are calling the drug sniffing dogs, then they have fifteen minutes. They hold you there any longer than that, then file a complaint against the officer he said.
FNHP35
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That's an oversimplification. If the Ofc does not have any further reason to detain you (as in any reasonable suspicion) then he can hold you for a reasonable amount of time. The courts have not set a reasonable time for a T-stop, but fifteen minutes is usually considered reasonable. An hour would most likely be held as unreasonable, unless he had further evidence that there was something to the t-stop other than the traffic violation.
Andrew
Andrew
JohnBT
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"Yeah, erratic driving. Something that can't be proven like a tail light being out. I'd love to see the video on that one."
If there's a video, then it can be proven. Maybe there is a witness or two. Oh, I see, a cop stopped you once. Nevermind.
"Many cops pull stuff out of their butts..."
Like lots of folks.
John
If there's a video, then it can be proven. Maybe there is a witness or two. Oh, I see, a cop stopped you once. Nevermind.
"Many cops pull stuff out of their butts..."
Like lots of folks.
John
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vincent femia
was and is a pistol. a lil unorthodox but a decent fair man
its a funny thing what folks do in/with their cars while commiting serious crimes. the step son of my towns mayor(20 something) got nailed with multiple pounds of high grade pot. Speeding no inspection sticker and smoking their wares while driving.
he also got nailed for his mom and toddler kid caring for his plants at his grow house.(it was originally a child endangerment cll that got the cops checking him out. his biological dad is the family court judge in next county
was and is a pistol. a lil unorthodox but a decent fair man
its a funny thing what folks do in/with their cars while commiting serious crimes. the step son of my towns mayor(20 something) got nailed with multiple pounds of high grade pot. Speeding no inspection sticker and smoking their wares while driving.
he also got nailed for his mom and toddler kid caring for his plants at his grow house.(it was originally a child endangerment cll that got the cops checking him out. his biological dad is the family court judge in next county
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