Well....I guess Brazil's admitting it's recent attempt at gun control...FAILED.

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Yep, that gun ban worked wonders, didn't it??? :rolleyes:

Rio de Janeiro state plans to wall off slums
By Raymond Colitt in São Paulo
Published: April 12 2004

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentS...&c=StoryFT&cid=1079420289137&p=1012571727085


The government of Rio de Janeiro state yesterday proposed to build a wall around its sprawling favelas in an effort to help control rampant crime in the picture postcard city.

"The wall won't put an end to violence [in the slums] but if we don't contain it, it will destroy the [surrounding] forest, the economy of Rio de Janeiro and the lives of the city's residents," Luiz Paulo Conde, deputy governor, said on Monday.

The proposal comes after yet another wave of violence rocked parts of the city during the Easter holidays, shutting down commerce, and killing 10 people, including civilians, police and gang members.

More than 1,200 police officials on Monday occupied Rocinha and Vidigal, two slums in southern Rio de Janeiro, only a stone's throw from the city's famous beaches. Their patrols will seek to re-establish public order.

The unrest broke out when a rival gang on Friday sought to invade and occupy Rocinha, Latin America's largest shantytown, in an attempt to control the drug trade and steal cars.

The episode illustrates not only the power of drug traffickers in Rio but also the ineffectiveness of the police. Hidden TV cameras have repeatedly filmed police officials and prison guards turning a blind eye on drug traffickers and even taking bribes from them. Parts of Rocinha at the weekend resembled a battlefield.

Drug gangs armed with grenades and machine guns, fired relentlessly and local residents were caught in the crossfire.

One woman was killed late on Friday as she tried to break through a roadblock set up by gang members and one man was killed on his porch early on Monday by a stray bullet.

Several inhabitants abandoned the neighbourhood with their belongings.

"I can't stay here any more, the police are not in control," said one resident.

The military police, subordinate to the state governor, defended its performance, saying violence would have been much worse had it not intervened.

Cesar Maia, the city's mayor, on Monday harshly criticised Rosinha Matheus, the governor, and Anthony Garotinho, her husband and secretary for public security.

Mr Maia urged the federal government to help re-establish order and said state security forces had proved "entirely incompetent".

The state government proposes to build three-metre tall concrete walls around at least four slums. "We can no longer watch passively, it needs to be built urgently," said Mr Conde.

He rejected criticism that the project would in effect segregate residents and insisted the government would finance infrastructure projects, including water and sewage services.
 
Sounds like someone in Brazil has been watching the Portuguese version of "Escape From New York" and thought it was a GOOD idea.:uhoh:
 
Tiberius, I wouldn't worry... I've been there, and speaking from experience, I can assure you that:

1. The bidding process to get the contract to build the wall will be the most corrupt process you can think of, multiplied by a factor of at least 10;

2. The winning company will have had to spend so much on bribes and kickbacks to first get the contract, and secondly get supplies to build it, that it's unlikely to make a profit;

3. The building supplies will promptly be appropriated by the population of the favelas to upgrade their homes, streets, etc.;

4. The security guards hired to protect the building supplies will be bribed or threatened into a state of total uselessness;

5. Halfway through the process, with no wall in sight, the contract will be abandoned.

:D :D :D
 
I think you called it Preacherman.

I also think it is just horrible to fence in the indigenous population so that their bad behavior does not affect the wealthy or the tourists. :uhoh:
 
Preacherman,

Yeah I had a girlfriend from Brazil. The words on the flag are "order & progress" and the joke was that it was intended to be ironic. :)
 
The state government proposes to build three-metre tall concrete walls around at least four slums. "We can no longer watch passively, it needs to be built urgently,"
Careful... Once they're walled in... Might be mistaken for a "Compound"... Some governments have been known to light a match...

It sure worked in Berlin in the 60's. Yeah right. Keeping people in or keeping people out ya still gotta have gates... provided you can actually build the darm wall ala Preacher's cogniznant prediction.

Now if it were Las Vegas, the city council would emminent domain valuable real estate like that and turn it over to other developers to make some money and not worry about those they've displaced... until the class action lawsuits come filing in... or the poor moved elsewhere to stir up the strife. But I'm sure they've considered that option and wisely passed on to other, better solutions.

And that Gun Control thing... really works well, don't it? :rolleyes:
 
Wasn't there a wall built around a large section of Warsaw back in the '40s? Could this be a case of history repeating itself? Now that the tactic has jumped the ocean, will it move north?

Questions, questions, questions. I'm not sure I want to hear the answers either.
 
The heck of it is, it's OUR "war on drugs" that's funding the corruption of South America.
I dislike the WOsD too, but South America's corruption is older, broader, deeper, higher and more permanent than the WOsD. The corruption would be just as bad if we had never started the WOsD, and the corruption would get no better if we ended the WOsD.
 
I was always under the impression that Colombia, Bolivia, Ecuador and Chile were drug exporting "hotspots"., as far as the U.S. was concerned. I have never seen anything indicating that Brazil was in that group...
 
Who thinks up this drivel. I can see the pointy-headed bureaucrats in the "idea room" now:
"Hmmmm, the favelas have criminals. The criminals are commiting crimes.
Ahhh, I know what will make the crime problem go away... why don't we just build walls around the favelas."

:banghead:

What are they thinking?

atek3
 
Now apparently the Indians (don't know which tribe) are killing prospectors hunting for Diamonds in the Amazon Rain Forest. I don't have any links but in my local paper there is an article about a massacre. Something like nineteen prospectors have been killed as of today. And we think we've got problems.
 
Hey Mil,

Yeah I know, American politicians don't give up much to South American politicians when it comes to corruption.

I would love to go down to South America just for the women (I think Miss Venezuela has won the Miss Universe pageant something like 19 times), but Americans have a bad habit of going to South America, getting kidnapped, and never being heard from again.

To stay on thread, I do not think that putting up a wall will help.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
My friend (who´s done two trips around the world) said columbian women were the most fine. His female friend said that venezualan men were the most fine in the world.

atek3
 
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