If it works for Rio's gangs...

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Why not south-central's?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070429/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/rio_s_slum_militias

Associated Press 2007 said:
Vigilantes impose peace in Rio slums

By PETER MUELLO, Associated Press WriterSun Apr 29, 1:30 PM ET

For as long as anyone can remember, the cracked asphalt soccer field in the Roquete Pinto slum was off-limits to children — "reserved" by gangs selling marijuana and cocaine. Then, a few months ago, a mysterious squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling on foot, and the drug dealers disappeared.

A few days ago, while gunbattles were raging in two other Rio de Janeiro neighborhoods and bystanders were shielding their kids from the bullets, the barefoot teens of Roquete Pinto smiled and shouted as they kicked a ball around their freshly liberated field.

Startling transformations like Roquete Pinto's are increasingly visible across Rio, as for-profit "militias" made up of active and former police officers, private security guards, off-duty prison guards and firefighters evict drug gangs from slums where violence used to be out of control.

Although some worry about the implications of vigilante justice, the militias have powerful sympathizers, among them Mayor Cesar Maia, who calls them "self-defense groups" and says that compared with the drug gangs, the vigilantes are the lesser evil.

The surprise is that the gangs aren't fighting to hold their turf. In the few known cases where they did, militia gunfire turned them back.

Critics say the city risks going the way of Colombia, where violent paramilitary groups that sprang up to battle guerrillas came to hold more power than authorities in some areas.

"It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state. "We won't accept this under any conditions."

But President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva hasn't spoken out against the militias, and it seems that law enforcement has fallen into a gray area in many Rio slums, and city authorities may be content to leave it at that as Brazil prepares to host Pope Benedict XVI next month and Rio stages the Pan American Games in July.

In this city of 6 million people, one of the world's most violent, "the police provide security for the rich" and "the militias are the security of the poor," said Marina Maggessi, a congresswoman and a former senior drug-control official. She has mixed feelings about the militias, saying they represent the "collapse of the state."

First gaining strength in 2003 as an alternative to ineffective, often corrupt police, the illegal security forces have mushroomed since late last year and now control about 90 of Rio's 600 "favelas," Maggessi said. Success in slums like Roquete Pinto, meanwhile, fuels their expansion into others.

"This place was dead," said Joao Batista dos Santos da Silva Jr., president of the Roquete Pinto residents' association. "It was war every day."

Like many slum community leaders, he refuses to acknowledge the existence of the militias, saying the cleanup is entirely the work of the police, even though there is no station in the slum, and not a single officer or patrol car was seen during two recent visits.

On the other hand, Roquete Pinto's new protectors were hard to miss: Seven big men in shorts and T-shirts, silently eating lunch in a pool hall, a submachine gun and automatic pistols on the table between their plates.

In another favela, Rio das Pedras, a woman selling shampoo on the street had no doubts. "There are no muggers and no drug sellers," said Margarida Rodrigues dos Santos, 57. "The militia won't let them in."

At Roquete Pinto's soccer field, the gangs "would come down here, shoot the place up and tell everyone to go home," said 19-year-old Rodrigo dos Santos.

Now the only reminders of the gangs are the bullet-pocked street lamps around the soccer field. Residents say robberies have become rare. Delivery trucks once barred from entering now drive through, and there's a new Internet cafe and a lively outdoor market.

There are no official estimates of how much money the militias make, but residents of one slum told the O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper that families pay $7-$14 per month. That adds up quickly in the steep hillsides where tens of thousands of families live.

Militia leaders did not respond to requests for interviews.

"They're very leery about reporters," said Jose Fontes, a member of a militia that took over the Kelson's slum last November. "The commander is in hiding and won't even answer his phone."

At least one high-ranking police officer has endorsed their work while acknowledging that they are illegal.

"The communities are now free from the traffickers," Col. Mario Sergio de Brito Duarte, who heads a special favela operations unit, said in an e-mail. "Children and teenagers living in these neighborhoods are no longer exposed to drug wholesaling."
 
In the Peoples Republic of Cali? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
OK
You are just pulling my leg. Thought you were serious for a second:eek:
 
"It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state. "We won't accept this under any conditions."

Typical statist pus-monkey. "It doesn't matter how bad things are under our control, you have no right to change! You are nothing! Obey us!"
 
Brazil is a particularly good example of what gun control brings. Though a complete ban was rejected, Brazil has long had some of the world's most draconian gun laws. It takes a law-abiding citizen tons of trouble to buy so much as a .40-40 levergun, while AK-47's can be had in any slum.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to just legalize drugs, get rid of the black market that drives up the cost and just let natural selection take care of the abusers?
 
Oh man, that brings back memories of when I went up to Chicago to see a Cubs game. We were trying to leave town to the south east...one wrong turn and we were in Cabrini Green going the wrong way on a 1 way street being chased by about 20 people. Ah good times.

As to the original post. I can see the "protectors" turning this into an extortion racket quickly, but I don't know how altruistic the mercs are down there. :)
 
Brazil does not have Spanish roots, they are from Portuguese heritage. And actually that in itself is an interesting bit of history I will leave for you to discover on your own (think of dividing the world up).
 
Ignoring the geography error, I wonder what (if any) downside or abuse of power is happening that isn't being reported. Still, nice to see somebody trying to improve conditions. Reminds me vaguely of how fire companies used to work (you subscribed to their services).
 
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Just to answer doubleg,

No guns aren't illegal in Mexico, it's guns in military calibers (or even military ammo for that matter) that get you in hot water.

And when an unauthorized person has a non-military chambered firearm in Mexico and is caught with it generally all you receive is a fine of some sort. Or so I hear from a guy who used to live down there.
 
For-profit enforcers offering protection... sounds similar to the old Italian-American fraternal organizations doesn't it?
 
wooderson

funny how some folks level of awareness is so low
they need to get out more
irish have the westies
the chinese did the same crime was small in chinatown aside from that the bosses run a mugger in china town ended up gone bad for buisness

there are latino extortionists that prey on ileagals know they can't go to cops. hada give a welcome to america lesson to one who was taking one of my dishwashers paychecks. couple weeks later someone shot him 3 times.and he didn't make it i cried for him 250 pound guy beating up a 90 pound 15 year kid who walked here from el salvador with his brother made me not play well with others
 
Sounds like the government won't touch it, since it would be an unpopular and expensive undertaking.

IMHO the best move would be to enact some sort of registration system and a small regulatory comittee. It would effectively be an instant private police force.
 
Everyone - you, me, the guy down the street - is responsible for his own safety. Some of us either don't have the time to take care of our responsibilities or we're just 'not onto that sort of thing,' so we hire others to do it for us. In most places that's the local police department and it's affiliated with the local government. That local government, in its never-ending quest for survival, has usually passed laws making it illegal to hire anyone else besides the local police for protection (unless you're very rich or politically powerful.) If the local police department suddenly has competition and even worse, if that competition is successful, they begin to feel threatened and can react by either becoming more efficient or by arresting the mercs. From what I've read, I think that trying to arrest the mercs of Rio would be a very dangerous operation and one that few police officers would volunteer for.
Would such a plan work in some of the nastier sections of U.S. cities? Probably not now because the police would call in the National Guard to help them arrest the mercs. But in a few years, after the gangs have effectively run the police out of "their" territories it might come to pass. There are already neighborhoods in the Los Angeles area that rarely see a police patrol and even then only when somebody finds a body in the street.
It's coming. Local governments will cry and complain, threaten and bluster but it will happen anyhow.
 
Soybomb "Wouldn't it be easier to just legalize drugs"

Then what would the CIA do to fund their covert ops? :scrutiny:
 
Longeyes- unfortunately I think you are correct. Do not be alarmed however, there are respected personages who also share this view. Martin Van Crevalds "The transformation of War", and a host of other writings on fourth generational warfare predict the replacement of State controlled policing forces with private, for profit security forces in a tribal type society.
 
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