West Virginia House OKs Bill Letting People Carry Concealed Guns Without A Permit

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West Virginia : Legislation CCW w/no Permit

West Virginia state Representative Saira Blair (R-Berkley) has introduced legislation to residents of her state to carry concealed handguns without a permit.

Here is another attempt to push legislation to allow people over 21 to carry concealed without a permit. In 2015 similar legislation failed after Governor Tomblin (D) vetoed the bill under pressure from that certain Mom's group and Senator Joe Manchin.


That certain Moms group believes that "it is dangerous to allow West Virginians to exercise their Second Amendment rights without government oversight".

If this legislation passes and is signed into law, people between 18 and 21 would still need the carry permit. Well at least they are not giving up in West Virginia. It is good to give it another shot, pardon the pun :) .

We tried to pass permit-less concealed carry here in Kentucky some years ago and it didn't pass. Who knows, if West Virginia passes this. Maybe we here in Kentucky can try again too, since the Southwest part of West Virginia borders a part of Eastern Kentucky. We could always say, "Our neighbors next door in West Virginia passed it and how about us too?".

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ll-allowing-concealed-carry-without-a-permit/




"The Herald-Dispatch reports that the legislation introduced by Representative Blair, House Bill 4145, would allow West Virginians 21 and older to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. Such residents already have the option of openly carrying a handgun without a permit. Blair’s bill simply extends permitless carry to concealed weapons."
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Wonder what the chance of this passing is?




http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-people-carry-concealed-guns-without-a-permit




W.Va. House OKs Bill Letting People Carry Concealed Guns Without A Permit

Updated February 9, 20166:19 PM ET

By more than a 2-1 ratio, lawmakers in West Virginia's House of Delegates have approved a bill that would allow gun owners to carry concealed handguns without a permit. The only concealed-carry permits would be for people who are 18-21 years old.

On Monday, Tomblin, a Democrat who's not eligible to run for re-election this fall because of term limits, said via Twitter that he will "veto any concealed carry bill that does not take into consideration the concerns of law enforcement for the safety of our officers."

If the bill were to pass, West Virginia would join a handful of states — such as Alaska, Arizona, Maine, Montana, Wyoming and Vermont — where gun owners don't need a special permit to carry concealed weapons in most or all areas of the state. Kansas is the most recent member of that group, having enacted a concealed-carry law last year.
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I don't know why the Governor thinks that way, because criminals, who cause all the mayhem, don't care whether WV goes permit less or not. :rolleyes:

They'll continue their life of crime, come rain or come shine. :scrutiny:
 
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The guv's concerns have not been born out in other no-permit ccw states. Maybe West Virginians are more dangerous and not as trust-worthy? /s
 
I wonder if this is a reaction to Bloomberg's recent overreach next door in Virginia, with regard to the AG's attempt to cancel carry reciprocity with most states? If so, good for WV.
 
Gov. Tomlin vetoed a similar bill last year after the Legislative session had ended. The leaders took up this bill early enough in this Legislative session to ensure an override if the good governor wants to use his veto power again. I predict this bill will be law in West Virginia very soon.
 
The governor of West Virginia vetoed the bill, however "The Republican-led Legislature could override his veto with a simple majority vote."

http://www.wtrf.com/story/31378526/west-virginia-permitless-hidden-gun-bill-vetoed-again

So does anyone know what the process is and what the time frame is in order to override the veto? What comes next?

Suffice to say...contact your legislators and tell them to override the governor's veto.
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Veto Override information

Here is some information on overriding a veto in West Virginia. They have until March 12 to override the Governor.

Contact your legislators!


http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...-in-carry-WV&p=2182989&viewfull=1#post2182989

"Overriding a Veto

If the Legislature is still in session when the governor vetoes a bill, a simple majority vote of the members of both legislative bodies is necessary to override the veto. In cases when a budget bill or supplemental appropriation bill is vetoed, a two-thirds vote of the members of both houses is needed to override the veto.

The West Virgina Legislature has until 12 March to override Governor Tomblin's veto. That is six working days from now. The bill passed with overwhelming support. 68-31 in the House, 24-9 in the Senate. Now we will see if the legislators really meant it when they voteed for Constitutional carry."
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The House of Delegates overrode the governor's veto today and it now goes to the Senate tomorrow (already recessed for today) for the override vote.

It should sail through because the original vote to pass in the Senate was 24-9

Congrats WV, you could very well be our next 'home state' and base of operations!
 
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dc dalton said:
The House of Delegates overrode the governor's veto today and it no goes to the Senate tomorrow (already recessed for today) for the override vote.

It should sail through because the original vote to pass in the Senate was 24-9

Congrats WV, you could very well be our next 'home state' and base of operations!
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Are they in session on Saturdays?

And...how soon would the law take effect assuming it sails through tomorrow?
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Midwest said:
Are they in session on Saturdays?

And...how soon would the law take effect assuming it sails through tomorrow?
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From what we are being told there is a Senate session tomorrow.

Also if they do override it (which they will) it will become law 90 days from the date of the original passage which was Feb 24 ... so it will be law May 24
 
Wonderful news . May 24th will be a memorable day. My best friend from the Army lives in Princeton,WV.

I'll cable him a salute to celebrate.
 
When the W VA Senate overrides the governor's veto,lovers of liberty all across the nation should celebrate another oppressive gun law biting the dust.
Does anyone know what the House vote was to override? We're there any turncoats?
 
Veto Override Passes in WV! CCW Without Permit OK in 90 days

Veto Override Passes in WV! CCW Without Permit OK in 90 days

Congratulations to West Virginia!


Copyright notice: Permission to share is granted below.


http://www.gunwatch.blogspot.com/


"This year, the Constitutional carry bill was passed early enough for the legislature to vote on a veto override if necessary. Governor Tomblin received the Constitutional carry bill on 26 February. He waited to the last possible day to veto it, 3 March. The House of Delegates overrode his veto on 4 March, and the Senate completed the override on 5 March. From state.wv.us:"

" The override votes were close to those that came with the passage of the bill. In the House, 64 to 33. In the Senate, 23 to 11. In West Virginia, a simple majority was all that was needed for the override. Second Amendment supporters fought long and hard to restore Constitutional carry to West Virginia. Governor Tomblin vetoed bills twice, and finally had to be overridden.

West Virginia becomes the seventh state to restore Constitutional carry, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Vermont has had Constitutional carry since statehood in 1791, pre-dating the ratification of the Bill of Rights by eight months. "


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What are they going to do with all the blood in the streets?[emoji33]
So glad to see another state understand that its citizens can be trusted with their natural rights without a gov fee or permit.
 
To Midwest and those in KY;

Hang in there!!
I don't know if you have an organization like WVCDL there but if possible I would urge you to form one. I realize this is not always feasible (the NRA will help if you need it) but if it were not for the one here in WV along with the NRA we would not have won the uphill battle that occurred this week. My MAIN reason for supporting this legislation is that I strongly believe people who carry should have training. The problem is the process of obtaining a permit (which should not be necessary to exercise a constitutional right) costs between $175.00 and $200.00 and the level of required training is a joke. That is what I found when I got my permit. There are many fine instructors out there and some do give worth while instruction most just give the minimum which is IMHO inadequate. Now those serious about personal protection have more resources they can put towards real instruction that has actual value.
 
WV keeps the march for permitless carry moving on. There are similar bills working their way through the legislatures of South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Utah, and Idaho. Hopefully the legislators are paying attention; the people want the Gov't out of their right to self defense.
 
I get the Constitutional angle. However, I still believe people benefit from taking a concealed carry class, like South Carolina's, and getting a detailed, multi-hour briefing on case law pertaining to the use of deadly force and all applicable State firearm laws. Take away the requirement to obtain such training and the participation rate drops off precipitously.

I'm told by reputable sources this guy didn't have a carry permit and he now faces a lengthy and expensive trial and probable time in prison because he obviously didn't understand when you can and when you can't use deadly force. A little education goes a long way and the misuse of firearms is never a positive thing for the Pro-2A cause.

Link to article: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article61291317.html

I'm donning the fire proof suit now so go ahead, flame on.
 
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I get the Constitutional angle. However, I still believe people benefit from taking a concealed carry class, like South Carolina's, and getting a detailed, multi-hour briefing on case law pertaining to the use of deadly force and all applicable State firearm laws. Take away the requirement to obtain such training and the participation rate drops off precipitously.
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First, people benefit from educating themselves on issues before voting. That doesn't mean we should make taking a class mandatory before voting. It's a basic right as an American, just like bearing arms.

Second, as far as I've been able to determine, there is no higher rate of accidental shootings or unjustified homicides in states without mandatory training than those with it. If you have evidence to the contrary you're welcome to post it. This article that you posted is irrelevant to that particular discussion since Jimmy Methe, the man who shot the thief, was on his own property at the time and would not have been required to have a carry permit under the circumstances, in any state.

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Link to article: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article61291317.html
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I'm 100% an advocate of people getting good training. I became a CHL instructor partially for that reason. In fact it frustrates me greatly that many think a CCW class is all they need. A two or three day class that in most cases barely goes beyond basic safety, shooting stances, and laws, is not nearly sufficient to prepare someone to carry a firearm competently. The NRA basic pistol course, which meets the legal training requirements in many states, does not even cover drawing from a holster. Responsible people should go far beyond their states CCW class, just like they should educate themselves before voting.
 
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