Western Australia Confiscates Bolt-Action Rifles

[Bartholomew Roberts]

http://www.beatonfirearms.com.au/post_blog/firearms-of-military-appearance/

A blog from Western Australis explaining the latest lunacy there in the context of their firearms laws. It basically boils down to modern bolt actions with a pistol grip and modern chassis are being banned because they look scary and military like, while actual bolt-action rifles in military service are still allowed.

Unlike the U.S. however, the banned rifles are being confiscated.

 

[dakota1911]

Feel the need to write another check to the NRA so that is not in our future.

 

[barnbwt]

Well, I guess it finally happened. No surprise, really. This is what happens when you allow mass-confiscation, of any facet of the firearms world. The only real surprise is that it took them this long. The Adler fiasco and now this makes it clear the next goal is all repeating firearms in Australia. Get ready.

The goal here is to 'freeze' gun technology, at least until they get the stones to eradicate it entirely from the realm, along with a whole long list of other secret desires for their subjects. Imagine a government edict that you may only use computers based on tube-electronics, as those made from modern transistors are deemed too threatening to government systems. The logical conclusion of such an arrangement is as clear for that example as it is for firearms.

The forbidden future of whatever surpasses metallic-case cartridge arms is clear in the US, as well. Luckily, such old tech is objectively effective 'enough' that such an advance would need to be of "sci-fy/magical" variety to be a true game changer the way repeaters were to single shots to muzzle-loaders. And being a 'game changer,' the actual impact of its appearance is a wildcard.

TCB

 

[JosephTAB]

The fault lies with the Aussie citizens themselves. They allowed their beloved politicians to begin this process back in 1996. I have no sympathy for them, nor the Brits, who began their gun confiscation scheme in 1997.

In addition, the truth regarding crimes in both nations will NEVER be reported correctly.
Both rely heavily on tourism to support their economy. They therefore, vastly UNDER report criminal behavior, in order to maintain the façade, that their respective countries are safe. When you closely examine their crime statistic data, you can easily decipher that their REPORTED information is Total, Bogus, BS.

 

[Deanimator]

As can be seen in another thread, that's what's intended for here.

They ALWAYS get to this point through lies, deception, disinformation and deceit.

The proper response to gun control proposals isn't "compromise". It's

NO, I REFUSE.

 

[TruthTellers]

The day will come when Australia will be no different than Britain when it comes to guns. The only guns they'll be allowed to have is single and double barrel shotguns and single shot .22 LR's that they must keep broken down, with a trigger lock, in a locked gun safe in a locked room with a live feed camera. Oh, and only allowed a maximum of 50 rounds of ammunition.

 

[PapaG]

Or air rifles with less than 12 ft-lb muzzle energy

 

[JSH1]

The day will come when Australia will be no different than Britain when it comes to guns. The only guns they'll be allowed to have is single and double barrel shotguns and single shot .22 LR's that they must keep broken down, with a trigger lock, in a locked gun safe in a locked room with a live feed camera. Oh, and only allowed a maximum of 50 rounds of ammunition.

I would research UK firearm laws more carefully before making such statements.

• Single shot, double, lever, pump, and semi-automatic shotguns are legal in the UK with a shotgun license.
• Centerfire rifles are allowed with single-shot, bolt-action, Martini-action, lever-action and revolver actions with a rifle permit There are no magazine size restrictions. Semi-automatics are allowed for 22LR.
• Suppressors are treated like a normal accessory, no special permit required.

I made a foolish statement similar to yours the first time I visited the UK. One of the guys I was having dinner with quickly corrected me and told me all about his straight-pull AK-47. It was similar to this one but with a standard magazine instead of the drum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60e-wFBWyEU

 

[Lord Teapot]

the day will come when America is the same way, unless we draw a line in the sand now.

 

[Lord Teapot]

The fault lies with the Aussie citizens themselves. They allowed their beloved politicians to begin this process back in 1996. I have no sympathy for them, nor the Brits, who began their gun confiscation scheme in 1997.

In addition, the truth regarding crimes in both nations will NEVER be reported correctly.
Both rely heavily on tourism to support their economy. They therefore, vastly UNDER report criminal behavior, in order to maintain the façade, that their respective countries are safe. When you closely examine their crime statistic data, you can easily decipher that their REPORTED information is Total, Bogus, BS.

not to mention both nations like to focus on 'gun crime' rather than 'violent crime', as if being killed or maimed with a gun is somehow worse than being killed or maimed with a knife or brick.

 

[benEzra]

I would research UK firearm laws more carefully before making such statements.

Yup, Australia's gun laws are considerably harsher than even the UK's, and positively wacky compared to most of Europe's.

The Australian gun-control lobby has also been talking about banning lever-actions lately. Apparently late-1850s technology is too modern for the Luddites.

 

[skolten]

Lets get something clear,this is not the fault of Aussies like me or any other firearm owner in this Country, this was started back in 1996 when a deranged person killed 35 people, all auto rifles were banned and a buyback was started, in Australia NO firearm can be confiscated unless it was used in a crime or it was illegal, it must be bought back, we dont have a 2nd amendment so if the Government decides it will change gun laws it will happen and we cannot do anything about it apart from protest. You comment about no sympathy is not needed so keep that crap to your self, If you want to talk about no sympathy then start doing background checks on people and stop the nut cases getting hold of guns, we have checks over here and it works.

 

[Deanimator]

If you want to talk about no sympathy then start doing background checks on people and stop the nut cases getting hold of guns, we have checks over here and it works.

Clearly you have not the slightest idea about what laws exist in the United States.

Google "Brady Bill" and come back when you know what you're talking about.

 

[TruthTellers]

I would research UK firearm laws more carefully before making such statements.

• Single shot, double, lever, pump, and semi-automatic shotguns are legal in the UK with a shotgun license.
• Centerfire rifles are allowed with single-shot, bolt-action, Martini-action, lever-action and revolver actions with a rifle permit There are no magazine size restrictions. Semi-automatics are allowed for 22LR.
• Suppressors are treated like a normal accessory, no special permit required.

I made a foolish statement similar to yours the first time I visited the UK. One of the guys I was having dinner with quickly corrected me and told me all about his straight-pull AK-47. It was similar to this one but with a standard magazine instead of the drum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60e-wFBWyEU

Yeah, those pump and semi auto shotguns are not allowed to hold more than three rounds, including a round already in a chamber. This is why the majority of shotguns in UK are break action singles and doubles.

As for rifles in the UK, it doesn't sound that bad, but they have a full ban on semi-auto centerfire rifles and that has already happened in Australia and soon to be the focus here in the US.

 

[BigBore44]

Not that I think it would actually happen, but if enough Aussies really wanted to, they could decide the future of their government. The problem with people is they, by in large, are too scared to stand up collectively to not protest, but take control of their country. They make a law to ban more guns, tell them all to go to hell. Regardless of the country, every government is dependent on its citizen's complacency to maintain power. When they have had enough, there will be a day of reckoning.

Saw a sign posted in front of Area 51 that read something to the effect of "Warning, anyone crossing this boundary can be shot on site". And I called BS. Take a million people, or half a million, and March them all straight past that sign. Think they would be shot? No way. Our government would no more open fire on our own citizens than they would purposefully blow up the "Million Man March" crowd. There would be a civil war over night. It's our country. Not our government's. And believe it or not, until the 2A is repealed, they know it. That's why they chisel at the 2A instead of trying to excavate it.

If the Aussies took a million or two and marched them to the capital, do you really think that their military would open fire on them? Not a chance. Because 1-2 million would turn into 50 million overnight. But just like here, getting a million people to march for civil rights is easy. Getting 2 million people to march for gun rights....not so much. And we have 80,000,000+ gun owners.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Feel the need to write another check to the NRA so that is not in our future.

Funny you mention that. In the mid to late 90s I had moved around quite a bit and my NRA membership had expired. One night I was watching TV late and the NRA had an infomercial and mentioned pump shotguns in Australia had been banned. I picked up the phone right then and there and renewed. Sadly things aren't any better there now.

 

[F-111 John]

Not that I think it would actually happen, but if enough Aussies really wanted to, they could decide the future of their government. The problem with people is they, by in large, are too scared to stand up collectively to not protest, but take control of their country.

No, the problem is there are too few good people like Skolten in Australia, and too many people who have been convinced that nobody except the Police "need" guns and are more than happy to support any gun ban that comes along.

And the U.S. isn't immune to this problem. I give you New Jersey.

 

[P5 Guy]

I Give You California

"This makes enormous sense and is one of the only ways available to reduce access to already purchased firearms," Deborah Azrael, associate director of the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. "Universal background checks, as much as we should have them, can affect only the next gun purchased, not the sizable reservoir of guns already out there."

Doesn't that sound like a confiscation scheme?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/california-gun-confiscation-bill_n_3117238.html

 

[Officers'Wife]

Lets get something clear,this is not the fault of Aussies like me or any other firearm owner in this Country, this was started back in 1996 when a deranged person killed 26 people, all auto rifles were banned and a buyback was started, in Australia NO firearm can be confiscated unless it was used in a crime or it was illegal, it must be bought back, we dont have a 2nd amendment so if the Government decides it will change gun laws it will happen and we cannot do anything about it apart from protest. You comment about no sympathy is not needed so keep that crap to your self, If you want to talk about no sympathy then start doing background checks on people and stop the nut cases getting hold of guns, we have checks over here and it works.

All right Skolten, FYI until I reached the age of 18 I held a dual Australian/USA citizenship which I renounced the day after my 18th birthday. My paternal grandmother still resides in Sydney. As such, I have still taken an interest in Australian politics and problems.

Like the United States the ultimate power rests in the hands of the voters. They, like the US, at any time can stop any regulation that doesn't suit their will. The prime example is (of course) the Govenor-General powers to stop legislation until said legislation is given the nod by the British Crown. Although "Constitutional" Australia reject the notion from the beginning. Add to that, all persons by law must vote in every election. This means the collection of weapons under color of law eventually rest on the shoulders of those that voted the people in to begin with.

A nation gets the kind of government it deserves. Simply because the people allow it to happen. Whether it is my father's country or my mother's.

 

[X-Rap]

I see the media is now praising the Australian way

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...uns-murders-and-suicides-plummeted/ar-BBm9eak

Touting the reduction in murder suicide and making it sound as simple as getting a check from the government.
Watch out America, in this very post and others there is talk of compromise that most agree would just be a precursor to registration and then we only have the "reasonable" step of confiscation by way of reimbursement of whatever the scary gun is at the time.

 

[skolten]

The problem with that is in this Country there seems to be more people against us than with us, as far as the people changing something that does not suit their will, that's not right otherwise we would still own auto's.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I notice they neglected to mention that Australia has less population than Texas and that more AR15s are sold in a year in the U.S. than the total number of rifles Australia confiscated. Even if you believed the very questionable conclusions presented in that article, applying that solution to the U.S. would be orders of magnitude more difficult.

The U.S. has about 60-80 million gun owners owning 300 million guns. 650,000 guns confiscated wouldn't even put a dent in those numbers - and if even 0.1% of that number actively resisted, you've got a full blown insurgency if not a civil war.

 

[skolten]

The OP writes about the " scary look " bolt action ban, well that pales in comparison to this, Turkish made Adler lever action shotgun based on John Brownings 1887 design has a temporary ban on it because Gun control groups and the antis are shocked by its " Rapid fire, New technology design " this give you an idea of the crap we have to deal with in Australia

 

[TruthTellers]

I notice they neglected to mention that Australia has less population than Texas and that more AR15s are sold in a year in the U.S. than the total number of rifles Australia confiscated. Even if you believed the very questionable conclusions presented in that article, applying that solution to the U.S. would be orders of magnitude more difficult.

The U.S. has about 60-80 million gun owners owning 300 million guns. 650,000 guns confiscated wouldn't even put a dent in those numbers - and if even 0.1% of that number actively resisted, you've got a full blown insurgency if not a civil war.

It would be nearly impossible for the US to do it alone, but if you have say, a coalition of willing nations to assist in the civil disarmament of the United States, it would be doable.

 

[Bo]

Here's part of the problem.
You get some anti-gun Senator who introduces a new bill to increase SS benefits or welfare or whatever and everybody says "yea, lets vote for this.
Unfortunately on page 856 of a 1,000 page bill it also reads, "and relinquish all firearms". Nobody sees this, and it gets passed.