What About The 20 Gauge?...

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Dave McCracken

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Not everything we shoot at needs a teacup full of #2 shot to work. Nor are long barreled 12 gauge Maggie Numbs needed to "Reduce to Possession" most birds or small mammals.

For everything, a 12 gauge is a darn good choice. But when the parameters narrow to stuff smaller than a pheasant and less armored than an armadillo, there's much to be said for a 20 gauge loaded with the standard 7/8 oz charge.

Consider this....

A typical 20 gauge of any action type weighs 1/2 lb less than its 12 gauge sibling.

25 rounds of 20 gauge fodder weighs close to 1/4 lb less than the 12 gauge equivalent.

The lighter shotgun is easier to manipulate and perhaps a bit faster than a standard 12 gauge.

And it's less weight two fields,one gulley and a ridge away from the truck.

And of course, the 7/8 oz load is plenty to slay evil clay discs found on trap, skeet and sporting courses.

The Brits, of course, have been making 12 gauges for a century or more than run less than 7 lbs, but American makers haven't seen fit to follow where they lead for the most part. So if one wants a 6 lb currently made US shotgun, one gets a 20 or the delightful 28 gauge.

But 28 gauge ammo is quite expensive, not common, and there's lots of used 20s out there, maybe in your gunsafe or over the fireplace.

So what are the limits here?

Wild Pheasants over good close working dogs is near the line, IMO. While I've humanely taken a goodly number of roosters with 20s, there's shots I've passed up and sadly, some I should have passed up.

A better limit might be, anything where 7/8 oz of 6 shot works is 20 gauge country. Larger shot has too sparse a pattern.

For dove, quail, woodcock or grouse, the 20 shines as long as the shooter is up to the shot.

For ground game,the 20 will handle anything up to big, tough jack rabbits.

I do urge that one tightens up the choke just to keep up density. If one would use a Cylinder shoke in a 12 gauge for a given shot, the best choice for the 20 might be IC or a Light Mod. Like most things in life, there's a tradeoff.

As for the ever popular idea of a defensive shotgun, the 20 has enough moxie for the job. It does lack the variety of loads common to the 12, but there are both buck and slug loads that will take care of business.

BTW, the classic Brenekke slug in 20 gauge works very, very well inside 50 yards.Blood trails are no shorter with a 12.

Also, modern non tox loads like Hevishot can work OK in cases where one can get a 35 yard shot, but here a 12 may be the better choice.

I see a hand up. What about the 3" magnum loads for the 20 that pack up to 1 1/4 oz?

No, thanks. Not only are most 20s lighter than the 12s, but patterns suffer trying to get all those pellets down that smaller bore.

Besides being lighter, most 20s have trim stocks with smaller pads or butts that concentrate the push into a smaller area of the shoulder. Oz loads in the 20 gauge 870 here are hard kickers.

If you NEED that much load, use a 12.

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i've used 20 ga for defense before. Do the math. 12 ga #4 buck in a 2 3/4 " shell has a similar payload and shot size to a 2 3/4" 20 ga #3 buck shell.

Less recoil and faster follow up shots. I still prefer 12ga and #1 buck for defense but 20ga has a place I think.
 
FWIW, I plan on using my little 11-48B 20-ga for Chinese trap this Friday at the Geezer shoot at PG, instead of my 12-ga trap gun. I took it out 2-weeks ago and shot skeet with it for the first time in 3-plus years. I used the factory Cutts bbl and shot a respectable 23. This Friday, I'll use the factory full-choke bbl that I have for the gun. I might not hit much at Chinese with it, but I'm sure gonna have a great time shooting it. I love 20's!
 
I've taken most of the grouse I've killed, and many of the snowshoe hares, with a FIAS 20 gauge OU.
It's an Italian-made shotgun I bought used many years ago.
It took a bunch of my check from slaving on a weekly newspaper but it's been worth it.
Seven eighths of an ounce of sixes is the load I usually load into it.

So far this season I haven't taken it out. I've been using 12s and 16s instead. That will change this week.
 
I happen to love my 20ga 870, an Express model given to me by father when I was 12-13. It has both a 28" RemChoke barrel and a 20" IC barrel with rifle sights.

There is a noticeable difference in how fast the gun comes on target compared to my 12ga 870. Not super, duper fast, mind you, but it is noticeable. If you start low-gun and pick a point, count off "1-thousand-1, 1-thousand-2" as you mount and point the shottie. With the 12, I find myself making the full "1-thousand-1" count, whereas with the 20 it is pointed by the "1-thousand." Like I said, not much, but noticeable.

Now, I have the 12 after a bad experience chasing a duck down last year after hitting it with a load of #4 steel from the 20. Even after that, I am tempted to take the 20 up this year as well, as I have a box-a-and-half of 3" 1-1/8oz #4 Hevi-Shot. It patterns really tight with the Modified choke; I am tempted to pick up an IC choke for it. But the 12 will probably go first. *Sigh*

But yeah, I like the 20 myself. I really don't feel undergunned until we're looking at geese and mallards beyond 30 yards. Inside of that, I'm a happy camper.
 
Had a 12ga Citori for a number of years that never saw lots of use by me. I loaned it to folks that loved it but it never seemed to fit me as well as some other guns in the stable.

So imagine my surprise when I run off and purchase the exact same gun in a 20ga :confused: :scrutiny: :uhoh:

ANd color me even more surprised when I actually love the gun. A little lighter, somewhat sleeker, longer barrels than it's larger diameter sibling may have had more to do with it than I care to admit.

I took both guns to Monahans this year and no others, decided it was time to put some effort into them or trade them off. Spent one morning with the 12ga Citori and did fair with it. Switched to the 20 that afternoon and fell in love. Birds fell before the 20 much better than the 12.

Why?

Less shot......no, couldn't be that.
Lighter weight.......naw, maybe a factor late in the day after 100 hefts or after humping through the brush for miles chasing Blues; wasn't the case here.
Gun fit.....guns are the same make and model, just different gauges.
Longer barrels......help in swing and tracking birds.
So why is it? Maybe just some intrensic value that I can't quite name.

That 20 is just a sweet little scatter gun.

Smoke
 
I must confess that a certain 20 gauge topper has been with me through more than many of my more expensive and heavier weapons.

my particular 20 gauge has had the barrel parted off at 20" and had a choate storarm and williams WGRS sights installed.
 
How are they on deer out to say, 50 - 75 yards? I've been thinking about taking my Ithaca 37 out this year and was just about to grab some slugs (Probably Remington Slugsters) to see how it shoots. 75 is the absolute max that I would take a shot, even with a 12 gauge, so how would I fare taking the 20 into the woods this year?
 
Every time I think I have all the guns I want or "need" on "the list", someone brings something like this up.
Now I want a 20 gauge too.
I will admit that I waver back and forth about what I really expect from a shotgun. Although I do accept and support the idea that a shotgun can be the "one gun", I look at it as a tool for one of two jobs that I need them for. One is recreational shooting and hunting. For this an NEF single barrel does just fine. The other is defense, which has recently been filled by a nice little Mossberg 12 gauge.
In either use a 20 gauge would do just as good. I have no doubt that a 20 gauge would kill squirrels and rabbits just as dead. Also, for defense, you are still making something like a 62 caliber hole with a 20 gauge. That is a bloody big hole.
I have 12's because that is what I have always had but I don't see anything wrong with a 20.
 
I dearly love my 20 gauges. I have a couple but my favorite is a Browning Gold Hunter with a 26" barrel. It sees all of my pheasant hunting unless it is really windy, like over 20mph sustained winds. I hunt over a lab, and it is all the gun I need. One ounce of #5 shot and a full choke means dead birds on the ground with one shot out to 40 yards and I mean DEAD birds. I shoot the same trap scores with it and 7/8 ounce of #8 shot as I do with 1 1/8 ounces in a 12. My sporting scores are the same as with a 12 too. Skeet scores with the 20 are actually a little better than I do with a 12 on average, I think fatigue is a big part of this as the 20 is a lot lighter and I shoot low gun only.

If I could hunt with lead or afford the best non-tox ammo in bulk I might file the 12's away for all but pass shooting waterfowl. A good shotgunner with a 20 will surpass all but a few toting 12's.
 
I thought I was out of the 20 gauge until I this little gem caught my eye. 870 Skeet, 20 gauge, excellent condition. $340. How could I say no? :)

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My last Pheasant hunt I had 0 misses and 100% kills with my little 26" Mohawk 48 20ga. I like it better than my Upland Special, a lot lighter too! I've had it for 34 yrs and it shoots like a dream, still looks new too. I've had a little practice with it over the years though. ;)
 
My Browning BPS and Winchester 120 in 20GA really do their best on grouse hunts. I use them exclusively and have never been disappointed.
 
Thanks for the responses, folks. A couple things...

I've hunted with about 5 different 20 gauges, and cannot recall many shots I would have preferred a 12 gauge for. Two of these came close to being the perfect uplander and weighed about 6 lbs.

One was Pop's last shotgun, an SKB O/U. He said that the only difference between it and his old 12 was he wasn't as tired after a long day of hunting.

The other was a Savage/Stevens SxS, the one mentioned in the thread about Mom. When that was redone, the smith more or less set the stock up for me. He added a spacer and an Old English pad. It shot well and toted nicely.

One drawback with the 20, there's no equivalent to the trap loads that work so well in 12 gauges for everything. Most field loads for the 20 contain dead soft shot, which lowers their densities badly. One can reload with hard shot and one should for many shot opps.

Like Gene Hill, I'd like to see longer barrels on most 20s.IMO, they'd work better for everything but alder thicket shots.

Duckman of this BB has a Guerini 20 gauge O/U with 28" barrels. It's a real daisy, and he shoots it well.

Tuna, slugs are effective out past 100 yards. It's the placement that gets chancy over 50 unless one practices a lot. Do practice a lot, we owe it to the game.

Paul, that's purty! Bet it shoots well.

Ed, I'd like to see that 48. Guess I will.

H, 7/8 in a 12 works well for me at trap too. I doubt there's lots of 1 1/8 oz loads in my future.
 
Thanks for the info Dave. While I know that slugs are capable out to past 100 yards, like I said, 75 would be the max range that I would take a shot at. I've always used a 12 for deer, but was thinking about a 20 this year, so your post is right on time. Just wanted some extra info on what to expect from a 20 slug.
FWIW, I've been using a 20 gauge SxS for grouse and pheasant and have never felt undergunned. In fact, carrying a 20 allows me to stay in the field for longer periods of time without feeling the weight of the 12. While I really like my 12 bore 870, I just find myself heading out more and more with the 20. Of course I'm still looking for my perfect 16 gauge, but that's another thread.
 
Too bad I can't post a pic of my "old" 20ga 870. There's a good amount of finish missing from the stock, but the op-bars and bolt are worn to that just-right smoothness. The thing just about shucks itself now, after many, many rounds of clays and "plunking" slugs at the range. (And a few times loading and unloading in the field! :) ) It doesn't look like much to anybody else, but it is my favorite. Looks like I'm going to end up spending $15 for that I/C choke after all...

FWIW, this 20 feeds way better than my 12ga 870, which is one of the newer ones. On the 12, the shell-carrier lifts too far, so you're trying to drive the shell into the top of the chamber cut, rather than directly down the bore.
 
I recently ran into one of those "too good to pass up" ($175) deals on an older 870 in 20ga. The stock and fore end have been refinished, but the bluing is original and in excellent condition. I bought this shotgun with a specific purpose in mind: a home defense shotgun for use by both me and my five-foot-nuthin' wife. I will install a Scattergun Tech extended mag and will cut the barrel back to 18" and install either a Tritium bead up front or a set of Ghost Rings (the jury is still out on that one). The finished length of pull will be just a touch shorter than the 870 Youth length of 13". When all is said and done, I will have an "870 Police Lite". Will I feel undergunned? Nope. If I have to use it, the max distance will be about 30 feet. At that distance, I doubt the recipient of that load of #3 buck will be able to complain about it.
 
With my *very* limited shotgunning experience (about a year), all I can say is...why not 12ga? Ammo is the same cost if not cheaper, can be had everywhere and puts more pellets on the same area than 20.

The only reasons I can think of having a 20ga (and the reason why I bought one) is reduced recoil and smaller frame. But with the right pads and reducers, 12ga is no problem in that area. I regret getting the 20ga honestly.

Just my take.
 
Tuna, Rottweil's Brenekke slug in 20 gauge gives up nothing to the 12. Massive damage, and a blood trail Ray Charles could follow.

WW, 870s with shiny sports on the metal from operating have character. A couple of mine are thus.

Mossy, sounds like an excellent defensive arm. Do get a short barrel though, rather than lopping off yours. I've had several barrels cut and usually regretted it.

Chris, reread the thread. I think you missed something....
 
Mossy,
I doubt it is exactly what you want, but Remington makes a 20" 20ga barrel with rifle sights and a fixed IC choke in the Express version. Cabela's has 'em for about $125. The only thing I can think of is that it is a fixed choke; I'm looking at getting a 20" barrel with rifle sights for my 12ga in the spring, but I'm planning on the Special Purpose model with RemChokes (ta-da! handy little turkey gun IMO). Actually, if the 20" barrel for my 20 had the interchangeable choke tubes, it would make a pretty fine turkey gun too! :evil:

Dave,
I know those spots are character. As is the rust from going in the swamp, the scratches, dents and dings. Working gun.

Chris,
While you'll get no argument from me of the 12 being a "better" overall choice, if I'm hauling something for more than 5-6 miles at a whack (sans sling), 6-6.5 pounds is my limit, especially if I have to mount and swing in a hurry at any point after 5 miles. The 20 is handier, I think, though the 12 may be more useful.
 
Mossy, besides the RS barrel mentioned, the 21" Youth barrel is set for Remchokes and has vent rib. I did some Practical COFS with the one here and felt it was a first class HD tool. I doubt you'll be hampered by the extra three fingers width of barrel.

Chris, the thread shows that there's plenty the 20 can do. And not all of us are Manly Men of great size and in our prime.

I'll stay with my 12s for the most part, but what works for me may not be ideal for thee.
 
I wanted a 20 so I bought a Wingmaster off of Gunbroker. It is a newer model, but I couldn't pass it up for the price. I wanted an earlier one, but spending $100 more didn't make sense, and they are hard to find. Now this one needs to be shot and smoothed up some, and I'm working on it. :)
 
How are they on deer out to say, 50 - 75 yards? I've been thinking about taking my Ithaca 37 out this year and was just about to grab some slugs (Probably Remington Slugsters) to see how it shoots. 75 is the absolute max that I would take a shot, even with a 12 gauge, so how would I fare taking the 20 into the woods this year?

Last deer I shot with a 20 ga. I used Remington slugs and put a round just above the heart at 100yds. (went completely through the deer) I shot many different brands of slugs through this gun including the Brenekke which shot well out to 50 yds, but could not out perform the accuracy of the Remington slug at longer distances. The slugs were shot from a smoothbore IC barrel.

I've seen deer take several rounds from a 12 ga. and keep on going - slug placement is important with both 12 and 20 ga. My shot did not drop the deer where it stood , a follow-up head shot did the trick , but I think if I would have taken a dead on shoulder aim on the first shot, I may have had better knockdown.
 
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