What again is the point of background checks/waiting periods?

[Old Dog]

Of course, Grimjaw, once you get your Washington CPL, you won't have a waiting period ... not that this helps you now ...

I think by now, most states have figured out that the "cooling off" period that was one of the original intents of the waiting period, has ended up causing more deaths ... witness all the battered women who were killed by ex-partners because they weren't allowed to obtain a handgun with their restraining orders (which obviously didn't restrain their murderers at all).

 

[MikeIsaj]

It's so when you get released from your overnight jail stay for domestic violence you cannot stop at the gun store and buy a gun, buy ullets, learn to shoot and then go kill the $*&^@ that called the cops. It also gives the guy a five day opportunity to finish the beating before the woman can get her gun and defend herself.

Actually it's because your state is too cheap to do insta-check.

 

[TrapdoorBilly]

I don't buy enough guns to know anything about waiting periods - but is it possible they went from yellow 4473's to white to avoid the fading problems colored paper has?

Doubt that has anything to do with it. They are still readable.

 

[Mad Man]

The CDC did a study in 2003 (available at their website) that studied 51 'gun control' strategies that show the none of them had any measureable effect on gun-related crime. Hey, a thug's gonna do what a thug's gonna do, and the reason we call them 'criminals' is because . . . . they don't obey the law. Gun control laws only affect the law-abiding.

I don't suppose you have the URL to that study?

 

[DMK]

Madman, the link to the report is about halfway down this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=46012

 

[Sunray]

"...What again is the point of background checks/waiting periods?..." It annoys law abiding citizens. Nothing more. A new shooter might change his mind about getting into shooting if there's enough BS. Up here, it costs about $500Cdn to do all the useless courses(taught by unqualified people) and get the equally useless permits. Plus mandatory trigger locks(at $10-$15Cdn each) or a safe. The number of new shooters/hunters is dropping as a result.

 

[Sir Aardvark]

The waiting period is just the FIRST step in keeping you from getting your guns.

California first started with the 14 day waiting period (now down to 10 days).

Then, they instituted the one handgun every 30 days rule.

Along with the "Assault Weapon" ban, the .50 BMG ban, and the "High Capacity Magazine" ban this place sucks for gunowners!.

I'm just waiting to see what more nonsense this place can cook up, and you know that other states are looking at California and thinking "Hey, that just might work here too".

 

[Lupinus]

Iagree, it is mostly to deture people from getting into firearm's or getting more of them.

California first started with the 14 day waiting period (now down to 10 days).

Quote in the right direction at least. Do like the Korean shop owner's and get your gun's before you need them. Isn't going to keep a criminal from getting one. Last I checked when you buy a gun from a trunk on a dark corner there is no waiting period.

Then, they instituted the one handgun every 30 days rule.

Im moving to SC soon so I have been checking out their law's more then the FL one's as I wont be living here much longer so as far as buying I havn't looked much. But SC has a one handgun every week? Least that is how I remember reading it. Someone from SC feel free to correct me.

Personaly that's just as much bull as the waiting period's.

Only way to change it though is to be active. The liberal agenda gain's so much ground because they are willing to stand and scream at the top of their lung's. While in general the majority don't say or do much and are slowly but surly, esspecialy their children, are converted to their side.

 

[Waitone]

IIRC there is no limitation as to the number you can buy in a week. I think the only provision is if you buy 2 or more at a time you get a quick once over by bATFE. The once over being a quick look see to make sure you aren't associated with unsavory societal elements. Nothing in the statutes, just an informal thingy.

 

[Matthew748]

The only point of waiting periods is to make acquisition a hassle and discourage ownership. Case in point, when I lived in northern Illinois the 24 hour wait on long guns and 72 hour wait on hand guns screwed up many a deal I saw at gun shows. I would see something on the last day, but would have to pass on purchasing because the distance I would have to travel to pick the gun up after the waiting period was too great. Usually the dealer would be from southern Illinois, but sometimes they were from other states like Tennessee or Kentucky. It seems like a clear cut state of interfering with inter-state commerce to me. Just don’t expect the .gov to do anything about it this time.

 

[Standing Wolf]

What does a waiting period for this (or any) handgun accomplish?

That's just government's way of reminding you you exercise your civil rights at its pleasure.

 

[Mr_Moore]

The waiting period gives a guy several more days worth of opportunity to kill you.

In PA, we go to a gun store, we buy a gun, gun store runs a computer background check, we go home with the gun.

We get the CCW in the same manner.

It's nice to live in PA.

 

[ceetee]

Up here, it costs about $500Cdn to do all the useless courses(taught by unqualified people) and get the equally useless permits.

So that's like... what? $50 USD or something?












I'm kidding! I'm kidding! Really...

 

[thorn726]

it sorta made sense when the background check actually took a few days.
now its laughable. really amusing like a couple weeks ago my buddy pulls a move
most of you guys pull all the time=
went in to buy ammo, walked out with a waiting slip......

as if he didnt already have umpteen million guns at home already.

it realy is senseless for folks already in the computer to have to wait

 

[TrapdoorBilly]

^

Are you saying that they do a background check in CA for the purchase of ammunition?

 

[Bobshouse]

The migraters from Cali brought that law up with them.

Least they only payed half attention...California has a 10 day waiting period..

The waiting period is the least of California gun owners problems, now they are talking about serializing bullets...

They have already developed an "approved" gun list, banned 50 cal guns, require loaded chamber indicators and built in gun locks. They tried to "hide" ammo, but our great govornor vetoed that bill and became an instant "hero"...whoopiteedoo!

Now they are trying to ban handguns in San Francisco City and County.

 

[Werewolf]

That's just government's way of reminding you you exercise your civil rights at its pleasure.

Which actually makes those civil rights really civil privelidges now doesn't it!

I know... a right is a right is a right - whether it's restricted by government or not, according to the purists.

But tell that to all the people that should have or want a firearm and don't because the government says that they cannot! They still don't have a gun, ipso facto they don't have the right to keep and bear arms.

What is trumps pretty words every day of the week.

 

[atomchaser]

It all about making it more difficult to buy thereby reducing ownership and future resistance to more restrictions. I know a local gun shop owner who claims he loses a not insignificant number sales when folks find out that they can't take the handgun with them right away.

 

[jacobtowne]

"Well in state's with no waiting period you can go to the store select your gun and get it later the same day to my knowlage."

Massachusetts has never had a waiting period. I can write a check and walk out with a handgun then and there. There is no limit to the number of handguns you may buy in any given time period.
We've gotten a couple of things right. (Not many, unfortunately.)
JT

 

[Brian Dale]

Werewolf,

They still don't have a gun, ipso facto they don't have the right to keep and bear arms.

Not exactly--their rights are being violated. Right now.

So why waiting periods and background checks? It's simple, really:

Those with the power to make people jump through hoops like to make people jump through hoops.

 

[Werewolf]

They still don't have a gun, ipso facto they don't have the right to keep and bear arms.

Not exactly--their rights are being violated. Right now.

This is a difference in viewpoint that IMO cannot ever be resolved.

One group believes that a right is a right is a right even if those with power can and do restrict or even prohibit the exercise of that right. A very unpragmatic and angels dancing on the head of a pin view.

The other group believes that a restricted action becomes a priveledge and a prohibited action becomes - well - nothing.

In real life a right that cannot be exercised is no right at all and if restricted is no better than a privelidge therefore it is for all practical purposes no different from a privelidge and is therefore a privelidge.

Personally I ascribe to the 2nd viewpoint and just cannot relate to the point of view of the other.

 

[Gameface]

One range employee I talked to said that the waiting period was devastating to gun shops. As he put it, guns are often an impulse buy, and the waiting period gives the old ball and chain a chance to tell you that you can't have it

Ever wonder why there is such a lack of good independantly-owned gun shops? Maybe it's the waiting periods.

 

[LaVere]

Misdemeanors that prohibit CCW in Michigan

Has not been convicted of one of the following misdemeanors in the
8 years immediately preceding the date of application:

Failing to stop when involved in a personal injury accident (257.617a)
Operating Under the Influence 2nd offense (257.625(1)(8)(b))
Drunk driving, commercial vehicle (257.625m(4))
Reckless driving (257.626)
Driving on while suspended or revoked (257.904(1)) (punishable
as a second or subsequent offense)
Operating aircraft with alcohol with prior conviction (259.185)
Hindering or obstructing weights and measures enforcement officer (290.629)
Hindering or obstructing weights and measures enforcement officer (290.629)
Hindering, assaulting, or committing bodily injury upon
director or authorized representative of the Motor Quality Fuels Act
(290.650)
Operating an ORV under the influence, second or subsequent offense (324.80334(5) or (6))
Operating a snowmobile under the influence with prior conviction (324.82127)
Operating a vessel under the influence, second or subsequent offense (324.80176)
Possession of a controlled substance (333.7403)
Operating a locomotive under the influence (426.353 (4))
Displaying sexually explicit materials to minors (722.677)
Assault or domestic assault or aggravated (750.81)
Aggravated assault or aggravated domestic assault (750.81a)
Entering without breaking (750.115)
4th degree child abuse (750.136b)
Accosting, enticing, or soliciting, a child for immoral purposes (750.145a)
Vulnerable adult abuse (750.145n)
Solicitation to commit a felony (750.157b)
Impersonating a sheriff, conservation officer, coroner,
constable, or police officer (750.215)
Illegal sale of a firearm or ammunition (750.223)
Illegal sale of a self-defense spray (750.224d)
Sale or possession of a mechanical knife (750.226a)
Improper transportation of a firearm (750.227c)
Failure to have a pistol inspected (750.228)
Accepting a pistol in pawn (750.229)
Failure to register the purchase of a firearm or a firearm component (750.232)
Improperly obtaining a pistol, making a false statement on an
application to purchase a pistol, or using false identification to
purchase a pistol (750.232a)
Intentionally aiming a firearm w/o malice (750.233)
Intentionally discharging a firearm w/o malice (750.234)
Possessing a firearm on prohibited premises (750.234d)
Brandishing a firearm in public (750.234e)
Possession of a firearm by a person less than 18 years of age (750.234f)
Intentionally discharging a firearm aimed without malice causing injury (750.235)
Parent of a minor who possessed a firearm in a weapon free school zone (750.235a)
Setting a spring gun or other device (750.236)
Possessing a firearm while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drug (750.237)
Weapon free school zone violation (750.237a)
Indecent exposure (750.335a)
Stalking (750.411h)
Reckless, careless, or negligent use of a firearm resulting in injury or death (752.861)
Reckless, careless, or negligent use of a firearm resulting in property damage (752.862)
Reckless discharge of a firearm (752.863a)
Violation of a law of the United States, another state, or a
local unit of government of this state or another state substantially
corresponding to a violation described above


13. The applicant has not been convicted of one of the following in
this state or elsewhere in the 3 years immediately preceding the date of
application:
Operating under the influence (257.625)
Refusal of commercial vehicle driver to submit to a chemical test (257.625a)
Negligently fails to comply-Ignition interlock device (257.625k)
Circumventing an ignition interlocking device (257.625l)
Operating a commercial vehicle with alcohol content (257.625m)
Operating an aircraft under the influence (259.185)
Operating an ORV under the influence (324.81134)
Operating an ORV having consumed a controlled substance (324.81135)
Operating a snowmobile under the influence (324.82127)
Controlled Substances (333.7401 – 333.7461)
Operating a locomotive under the influence (462.353)
Disorderly person (750.167)
Embezzlement (750.174)
False pretenses (750.218)
Larceny (750.356)
Retail Fraud (750.356d)
Larceny from a vacant building (750.359)
Larceny by conversion (750.362)
Defrauding lessor (750.362a)
Malicious destruction of property (750.377a)
Malicious destruction of real property (750.380)
Failure to obey police direction (750.479a)
Receiving stolen property (750.535)
Malicious use of telephones (750.540e)
Violation of a law of the United States, another state, or a local
unit of government of this state or another state substantially
corresponding to a violation described above

 

[Joey101]

Down here CHL = No waiting period (Not that there is one here anyway ) and no form!

I only know this cause when i bought mine the officer, yes officer behind the counter asked me if I had a CHL because if I did I could bypass all the paper work!

There are some benefits to hot a** weather here in the Lone Star state.