EIB0879
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I don't own or want to own a "black" AR.I carried one for a while and qualified Expert all but one time with an M16.
What are some unpopular opinions you have about guns?
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I was born with a distaste for the 9mm Parabellum that has only withstood the test of time.
Walnut and Parkerizing or blued steel is the only way to fly.
I was born with a distaste for the 9mm Parabellum that has only withstood the test of time.
Walnut and Parkerizing or blued steel is the only way to fly.
Scooter22
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"sniff"...Anything other than CZ is junk...."sniff"
EIB0879
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If you are going to buy a Tikka you might as well buy a Sako.
I think you left a few out.
bannockburn
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I don't care if it was the only type of gun left on the planet that you could buy, I would never own a Hi-Point anything.
jcwit
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I even like air rifles.
Even tho my collection of powder burners is way into the triple digits.
Even tho my collection of powder burners is way into the triple digits.
I want to shoot one to see what $159.00 gets you. Nobody rents them. I can't imagine why.
TruthTellers
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This is an opinion?
jcwit
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I do have 1 Hi-Point in my collection, it does go "BANG" every time, and does hit the gong if I don't shake to bad. Sure isn't the guns fault if I miss.
Doesn't make a bad range gun, but I sure wouldn't carry it.
bannockburn, ever own one?
Doesn't make a bad range gun, but I sure wouldn't carry it.
bannockburn, ever own one?
Barry the Bear
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I don't shoot 223 either. I'm referring to handguns when a .38 or even .44 or. 45 calibers can be used.
guyfromohio
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Honey, I need another one.
bannockburn
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jcwit
Nope. Couldn't get any further than picking one up at a gun show years ago, then putting it back down a couple of seconds later. Just not something I would want even if it was given to me free.
Remember this can be an unpopular opinion on my part.
Nope. Couldn't get any further than picking one up at a gun show years ago, then putting it back down a couple of seconds later. Just not something I would want even if it was given to me free.
Remember this can be an unpopular opinion on my part.
mokin
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This is one of the best threads ever. Made me laugh, and, as I'm workin' this weekend, this post made it complete.
I agree with everything posted so far.
I agree with everything posted so far.
Lord Teapot
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you don't get what you pay for beyond a certain point. that gets me flamed a lot, but it's the hard truth.
That the traditional firearms are a scam on the public trained to think wood finish and glossy metal surfaces are somehow superior - until they see their gun rusting and out of style, so they buy another. Just like cars.
That too many firearms owners try to join a specific gun tribe as a personal statement they leverage for social impact. Ie 1911 since the invention of the Glock. 1911's were evolving into double stack double action guns until everyone put the skids to it. Now the HiPower is largely ignored by the working shooter. Even the Beretta gets more attention now.
That AR haters basically don't understand firearms engineering, or that warfare continues to change.
That the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is correctly translated from the idiom of of 1700's English to the Right to Keep and Bear Weapons - which all those who travelled about their daily lives understood were necessary. There was no police, there was only yourself and you weren't going to get any backup. Gentlemen studied the military arts first as personal protection and second as part of their national duty. And that "weapons" is more accurate an interpretation - because our Founding Fathers were more likely to have edged or impact weapons on their person than a firearm - which were considered unreliable, bulky, and of limited protection.
That firearms are somehow reliable, svelt, and have an enormous ability to protect us. And yet that isn't happening so much. We have stoppages, we spend money on smaller ones and expensive holsters to hide them in use, and most of all, we keep getting assaulted because we have them. To the point where we have to resort to edged and impact weapons to protect ourselves.
That we are content to achieve privilege to carry them, and don't care if others are restricted as long as we get ours! After all, how will we rank ourselves by worth or merit if everyone was created equal or something silly like that?
So bring on the hierarchy of rank and value so that those who have none will know it. Which, of course, only causes them to take up arms to change things. Which is history repeating itself.
That too many firearms owners try to join a specific gun tribe as a personal statement they leverage for social impact. Ie 1911 since the invention of the Glock. 1911's were evolving into double stack double action guns until everyone put the skids to it. Now the HiPower is largely ignored by the working shooter. Even the Beretta gets more attention now.
That AR haters basically don't understand firearms engineering, or that warfare continues to change.
That the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is correctly translated from the idiom of of 1700's English to the Right to Keep and Bear Weapons - which all those who travelled about their daily lives understood were necessary. There was no police, there was only yourself and you weren't going to get any backup. Gentlemen studied the military arts first as personal protection and second as part of their national duty. And that "weapons" is more accurate an interpretation - because our Founding Fathers were more likely to have edged or impact weapons on their person than a firearm - which were considered unreliable, bulky, and of limited protection.
That firearms are somehow reliable, svelt, and have an enormous ability to protect us. And yet that isn't happening so much. We have stoppages, we spend money on smaller ones and expensive holsters to hide them in use, and most of all, we keep getting assaulted because we have them. To the point where we have to resort to edged and impact weapons to protect ourselves.
That we are content to achieve privilege to carry them, and don't care if others are restricted as long as we get ours! After all, how will we rank ourselves by worth or merit if everyone was created equal or something silly like that?
So bring on the hierarchy of rank and value so that those who have none will know it. Which, of course, only causes them to take up arms to change things. Which is history repeating itself.
Sam1911
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That most gun arguments or debates are about as close to worthless irrelevancy as it is humanly possible to achieve.
That the shooting world would probably be just as well off with a grand total of about five rifle cartridges and three pistol cartridges, and it really wouldn't much matter WHICH five and WHICH three.
That for 90% of shooters the efforts and concern they put into firearm accuracy are really quite pointless for any but the most circular of goals.
That the shooting world would probably be just as well off with a grand total of about five rifle cartridges and three pistol cartridges, and it really wouldn't much matter WHICH five and WHICH three.
That for 90% of shooters the efforts and concern they put into firearm accuracy are really quite pointless for any but the most circular of goals.
Bunches:
I believe that you should use the largest, most powerful cartridge that is reasonably suited to the game at hand THAT YOU CAN SHOOT WELL.
Same thing for defense guns. Therefore, while I'll grant that it's possible to kill a deer with a 223 and it's possible to stop an attacker with a 22 pistol, odds of a successful outcome are much better if you use something larger.
I think the Taurus Judge / S&W Governor are a really bad idea for defense, especially with the ammo available when they were introduced.
I think while the Ruger Gunsite "Scout Rifle" is a useful rifle for some applications, it's a poor representation of Jeff Cooper's idea of a Scout. This has had two unfortunate consequences: Ruger, who is perfectly capable of building a good Scout rifle, now won't and a large mass of people now think the Ruger marketing department's version is what a Scout rifle is supposed to be. If only they'd called it the "Tactical Thunder Bolt" or the "Truck Buddy" or something else. Anything else.
I believe that you should use the largest, most powerful cartridge that is reasonably suited to the game at hand THAT YOU CAN SHOOT WELL.
Same thing for defense guns. Therefore, while I'll grant that it's possible to kill a deer with a 223 and it's possible to stop an attacker with a 22 pistol, odds of a successful outcome are much better if you use something larger.
I think the Taurus Judge / S&W Governor are a really bad idea for defense, especially with the ammo available when they were introduced.
I think while the Ruger Gunsite "Scout Rifle" is a useful rifle for some applications, it's a poor representation of Jeff Cooper's idea of a Scout. This has had two unfortunate consequences: Ruger, who is perfectly capable of building a good Scout rifle, now won't and a large mass of people now think the Ruger marketing department's version is what a Scout rifle is supposed to be. If only they'd called it the "Tactical Thunder Bolt" or the "Truck Buddy" or something else. Anything else.
I ignore odd ball or obscure calibers that don't do anything better than any common caliber...except 7.5 Swiss GP11, cause it's the best surplus ammo ever made. 
A smaller caliber carry gun you can actually shoot well is better than a larger caliber you can't.
Sporterized milsurps are ugly abominations that should've been left in full battle dress.
Too much emphasis is placed on getting the tightest groups that make no significant difference in real world shooting.
A smaller caliber carry gun you can actually shoot well is better than a larger caliber you can't.
Sporterized milsurps are ugly abominations that should've been left in full battle dress.
Too much emphasis is placed on getting the tightest groups that make no significant difference in real world shooting.
jeff-10
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The 45 ACPs time has come and gone.
The only reason to own a 1911 is to shoot 10mm.
The only reason to own a 1911 is to shoot 10mm.
AKElroy
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I carry full-house 158 gr .357 loads in my 11oz S&W Scandium air weight, and no, I cannot shoot them worth crap. Don't want to get preached at about it.
matthewpittinger
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I just don't like 40. Useless to me. Get a 9 or a 45, be a normal guy.
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