What are the best training DVD's?

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You really think someone with that type of training can stop any attacker? Send out a 120 lbs woman I'll send the 270 lbs Somoan I trained. How is that going to go?
I believe someone with no training "can" stop any attacker...like the Indian girl and the 2 AK wielding home invaders. (Note "can" denotes possibility, "will" depends on a host of factors, training is only one) How would it go a 120lb woman vs a big, trained, Somoan..., in a fight? Predictably for her, she'd (and I'd probably) get trashed. The point of what TFT teaches...is what would happen in a "fight" (where 2 people are knowingly engaging each other, they each know "what's up") doesn't matter in violence. Real violence is sudden and is one person injuring another. Not hurting or fighting, but injuring to shut them down. Think serial killer. To survive, you need to be causing the injuries. Any human can injure any other, actually doing it takes more will than skill.

Can a 120lb woman dig the eye out of the skull (rupture the orb) of a 270lb Samoan? Yup, will she? Don't know...will she get the opportunity? Maybe not, but there are other areas if the eye isn't available.

I'm sure we'll agree to disagree on the marketing (and the rest of it!)...but I'd be interested as to what training you'd recommend for someone to stake their life on? Is it publicly available, do they have a website? (I'd love to see their marketing, bet I could pick it apart just as easily, or they aren't selling much).

Do you believe a 120lbs woman can do anything to protect herself realistically against a bigger, stronger assailant? (...and they will all be bigger and stronger than her). Should she train at all? If so, what? Or...not bother since she is doomed to a life of victim-hood due to her small stature.

Should I bother to even engage someone who out-masses me by say 40lbs of muscle if I'm attacked? If I did prevail, would it be due to my size or strength (nope, I'm smaller & weaker in this example). Due to skill & reflexes? Due to using all of the mass I do have against whatever vulnerable anatomy is available until they (or I) are too injured to continue? I'm thinking a rock to the back of the head (repeatedly) would work, or knocking them down and stomping their skull until they don't twitch. How do I knock them down? Well, I guess that's up to me to figure out. Criminals sure figure it out just fine.

The bottom line is small, untrained people actually prevail against larger, stronger attackers all the time, it is newsworthy. The rub is...are those results repeatable? What did they do right? What are the odds, are there methods that can change those odds from "got lucky" to "very good chance?"

Whats wrong with that knee?

For starters he is flat on his foot and is getting (or got or will get) zero drive with his hips. He has no thrust and with where it is at cannot get any meaningful thrust because it is already making contact. You don't throw a knee by picking your leg up anymore than you throw a punch by pushing your arm out or just swinging your arm. He throws knees just by lifting and swinging his leg.

Now we're getting somewhere with some meat to discuss. As I look again at the picture, it is clear it was staged which makes sense. Hard to get a photo in motion to come out that clear.

This means (as with any photo) you do not have any context, so you applied your own. Understandable, but his method of striking is completely different than a MT knee. He is not merely lifting his leg and he didn't start that close. Ironically, they would completely agree with your statements about not striking by merely pushing out an arm or leg...TFT teaches to strike using all of your body weight and complete penetration so that when the strike is finished, you are standing on the spot he was occupying.

So: his foot is flat for balance and to keep force from leaking into him on contact dropping his plant heel back down (equal & opposite reaction). He doesn't need (and can't) drive his hips separately as he is driving his entire body through the opponent, all 240lbs of him. He isn't extending the knee, then retracting it. After the strike is done, he'll be standing over the guy (since the other guy started kneeling).

I know you aren't ever gonna think this is anything but crap...but that isn't why I'm responding (I just like to discuss training). Without seeing a video of how he is striking, the photo is meaningless. Picturing him running, then kneeing the guy in the sternum as he runs him over...would be a better mental picture than picturing him standing where his feet are in the photo and lifting his leg up.

I enjoy the discussion at any rate. I do believe that any human adult is capable of taking out any other human...the day I stop believing that may be the day some 120lb teenage punk takes me out because I did something stupid due to overconfidence.

One of the most brutal attacks I've seen (stark in it's instant effectiveness) was when a person walked by and someone standing to the side hit them in the base of the skull from behind with a bat. Instant death and no human in the world can withstand that..not your 270# Samoan, not if the bat was swung by a 120lb girl (provided she knew how to swing it). So...I see my training task as how to get as close as possible to that perfect efficiency with just my body...unless I have a bat!(or my gun;))
 
I'll just put it this way. Kneeing is huge in MT. It has also developed over many centuries. If that was a better way to do it they would.

Without seeing a video of how he is striking, the photo is meaningless.

there is a video of him doing a knee on their sight. I noted that about 3 times.

The type of punching and kneeing you describe is going to go very poorly if the person has any kind of foot work or head movement. Again if that was the most effective way to do it people would. Its also a great way to run right into a punch. Further the type of knee you describe wont have more power, in addition to being slower and leaving you totally out of position if anything besides you kneeing him happens. It is also a gook way to get KTFO if the guy throws a shot at the moment you lunge forward. I've seen that happen on multiple occasions. You'll forgive the Hollywood nature of this video but it demonstrates some points none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s3-SnvykgQ

when a person walked by and someone standing to the side hit them in the base of the skull from behind with a bat. Instant death and no human in the world can withstand that..not your 270# Samoan, not if the bat was swung by a 120lb girl (provided she knew how to swing it).

Maybe, maybe not. K1 measured some guys kicking and it was harder than a bat swing. Hunt ( a big Samoan) took a full on kick to the head and was not killed, not even knocked out, he got up and finished the fight.

Yes anyone can get knocked out with a sucker punch. If you need to pay someone a thousand dollars to learn that then I'm not sure what to tell you. Is walking up and hitting someone with a bat part of SCARS or whatever he is calling it now? If your how plan is to sucker punch someone do you need to be taught that? Further you'd be better of learning how to throw a proper punch.

I eagerly await being told that these techniques are so dangerous they cannot be used in sport fighting blah blah blah. It reminds me of the guy that challenged Travis Fulton to a fight and then cried about not being able to eye gouge, bite, groin strike and do all the crazy violent things that sport fighting doesn't allow. Fulton told him to go ahead do whatever he wanted. Guess how it went. Turns out it is actually harder to bite and eye gouge etc someone than he thought when that person controls positioning and space. Fulton beat him down.

I don't really have interest in hearing your spin about stuff you have a financial stake in. If people want to believe they will be able to really fight after a week of this stuff (that they pay a rather high rate for) that is their prerogative. I just hope they never are put in the position to have to try it.
 
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Your sight says this:

Target Focus Training (TFT) lets you quickly stop any attacker dead in his tracks by inflicting crippling pain from injury to easily damaged body parts using simple, intuitive movements you can instantaneously do… even if you’re non-athletic, small or out-of-shape.

Thats not saying it could. Tons of things could happen. THis is saying it lets you do it meaning you will be able to.

Further the rant about sudden unexpected violence and it all being about will to do violence make me aks: Why the hell do I need to pay some guy a grand to teach me to poke someone in the eye then?

I just watched a youtube video where the guy talks about "unidirectional striking" and explains how to throw strikes. WOW is all I can say. That clip is enough to convince me this stuff is something to pass on it.
 
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For anyone who wants more discussion on TFT here is an 11 page thread of what no one wants to see this one to devolve into

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32343

*Note the video clips that people were critiquing were apparently removed.


As to firearms I really like the Magpul DVDs. The weakness of any video is that you cannot get feedback or have someone explain it another if you aren't getting it right. Live quality instruction is better. That said you with either the DVD or a weekend course you need to practice what you learn.

I think good DVDs are a step above no training if one is willing to drill and practice. The feedback of a live course is better.
 
For anyone who wants more discussion on TFT here is an 11 page thread of what no one wants to see this one to devolve into
Really? Then why have you just used this thread and every opportunity to trash TFT (which you admittedly haven't seen or trained except a few clips) instead of contributing? Seems like that's exactly what you wanted, since it is what you are doing. So much for a civil discussion. :rolleyes:

I don't really have interest in hearing your spin about stuff you have a financial stake in
Great, so now I have no integrity? Let's talk about "financial stake." It's an affiliate program like on Amazon. The # of people who click on a link in a forum signature is nearly zero, and those people are just idly curious, it isn't like they entered a search term looking for "self defense courses". So, based on the traffic I get (maybe...100-200 clicks per YEAR), and knowing my conversion rate for idly curious clicks will be less than the normal 1-5%, I would expect 1 sale per year (maybe 2) from this forum (and I spend hours here). The commission on their most popular product is about $10. So...I have no integrity and my actual experience (no, wait "spin") with this system vs. your sharp shooting a few short clips means nothing due to the possibility of $10 sometime in the next 12 months?

Thanks, but I'd rather go back to you thinking I'm a naive dupe than lacking integrity over $10 I haven't made yet.:uhoh: Do you teach Muay Thai for free? If so, good for you. I'm a greedy capitalist thinking of all the ways I'm gonna spend that ten dollar bill myself. :D

Sorry for the thread drift OP.
 
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The OP's list and subsequent responses are missing an important area of training: preparing in advance for the legal and psychological aspects of a defensive shooting, and dealing with the aftermath of that event.

I urge not only the OP, but all forum members to join the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Networ, , and study the three training DVDs on those topics that are an initial benefit of membership. Combined with the monthly newsletter and the web site, the information on these topics is good enough to save your fortune and your life someday. The added benefits of support, advice, and even expert witness testimony if you are ever involved in a defensive shooting make this one of the most important organizations available to us.
http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/

Craig S
 
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