What can you tell me about a Win mod 70

[grubbylabs]

in 300 win mag.

I am not really sold on the caliber but I am getting the gun in a trade he says brand new they are about $800.00 It is a 2002 or something like that and it has never been shot. It was a raffle prize for the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. any pics and other info would be great thanks

I think it is a synthetic and blued.

 

[jmr40]

Made in 2002 it could be one of several rifles. It could be one of the Black Shadow rifles made with a cheap plastic stock and a pushfeed action. In that case it might be a good shooter if the price is cheap enough. No more than $400 for me.

On the other hand it could be one of the Classic rifles with CRF that were made at the same time. Some limited models came with high quality McMillan stocks and would be worth $1,000+ in good shape.

Winchester closed their doors in 2006 and quality during those last years was spotty. I have one of the classics made during the late 90's that is one of the best rifles I've ever seen. I've seen others made after 2000 that I wouldn't have as a gift. You really have to see this one to say for sure.

The new production Winchesters are quite possibly the best rifles ever made and are selling for around $800 or so depending on which model you are looking at. Doesn't really predict what an older one is worth.

 

[grubbylabs]

The guy I am getting it from took it on trade as well. When he traded for it last year he went into a local Sportsman's ware house and showed the gun to them and they said they sold it new for $899.00 Not sure if that helps

 

[jmr40]

Is it controlled round feed or pushfeed? Both actually work well, but a CRF rifle will be worth more.

 

[grubbylabs]

I have not seen it yet, I will see it and make the final decision on the deal when I see him again in a few weeks. He is a friend that I trade dogs and dog training with regularly. He traded the gun for a puppy. He got a 338 ultra mag about the same time so he does not want the 300.

 

[jmr40]

If it looks like this it is not a bargain http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216859224#PIC

Having the RMEF logo on the gun would add nothign to the price to me, probably detract. Some folks would pay a little more however.

 

[grubbylabs]

what is the difference between the push feed and other kind?

 

[sappyg]

CRF would peek my interest. otherwise it's just another rifle.

 

[grubbylabs]

That is really all I want, is another rifle that works. I have a Win model 94 in .444 marlin and a marlin XS7 in 308. Not that I want a 300 Win mag but at least I could still use the same bullets as the 308 so it would be one less different component to worry about.

 

[grubbylabs]

Any more input?

 

[brnmuenchow]

I am very positive on the Winchester Model 70 rifle, however if the rifle is made of a lighter weight synth. furniture material and is in the .300Win.Mag. caliber the recoil can seem a bit much for some shooters. The .300Win.Mag. does have advantages at longer distances than for ex. .270Win. or a .30-06 Spfld. it is very accurate and more powerful beyond 400+ yd's. great for open country hunts, or long distance target shooting.--Good Luck!

 

[joed]

I would doubt that this is an $800 gun unless it has the CRF. My personal opinion is I could care less what feed it is. The "I wouldn't want it unless it was CRF" is nonsense. I've owned Winchester push feeds for many years, never had a misfeed, ever.

Because no one explained what the difference is for you I will. The push feed bolt strips the next round from the magazine and pushes it ahead of the bolt into the chamber. The CRF strips the round from the magazine and grabs the head of the cartridge with the bolt feeding it into the chamber.

I've owned Winchesters from the 2002 period and never had a bad one. In fact one of the last I purchased were the last to be produced at the old factory.

The new ones are the best ever? That remains to be seen, I don't see enough of the newer ones being purchased. Those that have purchased the newer guns haven't impressed me with the accuracy claims either. From what I've seen the new featherweights group about 2" and standard grade over 1". Model 70's I owned from the 80's and 90's shoot better then that.

Bottom line is it's a Winchester model 70. I prefer them over Remington 700's and Savage rifles.

 

[grubbylabs]

Well thanks for all your input fellas, I still have to go see the rifle and make the final decision on if I want to trade for it. But since all I am looking for is a rifle that will get the job done I think I will probably take it. The deal also includes a few dozen duck and floating goose decoys. So if the rifle really is new never been shot then I think it will work out to be a fine trade for both of us. An extra high powered hunting rifle never hurt any one I know of.

Oh one more question, how big of a deal is it to order a wood stock for this gun, I like the classic blued with real wood look.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

what is the difference between the push feed and other kind?

The original Model 70 is a modified Springfield/Mauser design with a long claw extractor. This is sometimes called a "Controlled Feed Action." As the round is pushed forward out of the magazine, it pops up and the extractor claw "captures" it.

In a push feed action, the cartridge is simply pushed ahead of the bolt, and as the bolt is locked the extractor finally snaps over the rim.

With a push feed action if you double stroke the action (not quite chambering a round, then pulling the bolt back and shoving if forward again -- something that can happen under great stress) you jam the rifle -- there are now two cartridges trying to get into the same chamber.

With a controlled round feed, if you double stroke the action, the first cartridge comes back with the bolt and is ejected before the second is pushed out of the magazine, and there is no jam.

Personally, I consider that more of a theoretical than real advantage. But the long Mauser claw extractor of the controlled round action is very strong and reliable.

 

[jmr40]

I don't have a problem with push feeds either, but it is improtant here because the CRF rifles are worth a lot more. We need this info in order to determine the rifle's value.

Winchester CRF rifles are all top of the line models. Some of the Winchesters made in the 80's and 90's with PF are excellent rifles. They also built all of their budget guns on the PF action so many are worth a lot less.

 

[joed]

jmr40 I see your point about the value. When did they use Mcmillan stocks?

 

[jmr40]

They were called the "Winlite" rifles There is a reference on McMillans website showing the stock used http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-hunting-stock-list.php?subnav=branch2h#wclassic I'm not sure as to the exact years they were made. I'm thinking it was during the 90's or early 2000's, but am not sure.

 

[jmr40]

I found an old listing on Gunbroker showing one http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214929797 This is a pushfeed, so they were apparently made prior to the Classics which came out in 1994

 

[grubbylabs]

So he says it is a Model 70 gray stock and the serial number starts with G235. with that is there a way to find out more about it?

 

[Leaky Waders]

Also, push feeds have the advantage of being able to throw a round in the chamber and cycle the action, controlled feed must usually stripped from the magazine.

Controlled feeds can double feed too...theres a thread on it now about a cz double feeding now... http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=565487.

 

[Big Bad Bob]

I have an Ultimate Shadow in 300WSM, I absolutley love this rifle. Bought it for a steal and it was the best money spent. Its my go to rifle for anything. Its a tack driver and I dont find the recoil that bad.

 

[jmr40]

All the new CRF rifles that I'm aware of can now safely be loaded by dropping the rounds directly into the chamber. That was not possible on older rifles where they must first be loaded in the magazine.

Without pics it is hard to say. Many of the special run rifles are nothing more than a standard budget rifle with a RMEF logo printed on the stock. The RMEF logo would mean very little to most people and would not increase the price at all to most. If it is simply a Winchester Black Shadow with RMEF printed on the stock I'd say it is worth around $400, maybe a little more since it is unfired. It will likely be a good shooter, but nothing special.

If it is one of the Winlite stocks pictured in the link in my previous post then you have something worth a little more money. Being painted gray it may well be. Most of the cheap stocks are not painted, but are molded in black. The better stocks are painted and could be any color.

If it is CRF and has a high quality stock then you really have a high dollar gun. If it is one of the Winlites with a pushfeed action it would be a better choice,but still not worth as much as if it had CRF.

The SN does not help me much. I've never found an online source for post-64 Winchesters that help. You my be ble to call Winchester with the SN and get more info.

 

[grubbylabs]

Cool thanks for all your help jmr40

 

[grubbylabs]

Well I picked up the rifle today and it is indeed new in the box and I am still not sure if it is a push feed or a controlled feed

 

[az_imuth]

Congrats on your new rifle!

If it is CRF (Controlled Round Feed) then it will have the piece indicated in the image that runs alongside your bolt next to the ejection port. It terminates at the front of the bolt with a "claw" which bends in toward the rim of the cartridge. A push feed rifle will have the round side of the bolt completely visible along the ejection port, unlike the CRF.



And here's a shot from above of the extractor on my new super grade...