What cartridge is this?

[Mr. Standfast]

What country ever had gun laws that weren't at least in part crazy? But in this case ours wasn't. It was and is simply that "nothing in this act applies to an antique firearm owned as a curio or ornament". Where the craziness (and worse) came in was in what constituted an antique. Some regional police forces were prosecuting or demanding "voluntary" surrender for cartridge firearms which others wouldn't. People stood out and were acquitted, and the Home Office, our police ministry, asked one of their consultants to report on the situation. The result was their acceptance of his long list of cartridge antiques for which ammunition isn't normally available. That isn't law either - just a policy with which they have ordered police forces and prosecutors to comply.

They still get anybody who has shot or threatened anybody, which seems fair enough, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together must realise that it has brought thousands of guns into responsible ownership, instead of being passed from one schoolboy to another until something goes wrong. I've negotiated several chamberings onto the list myself, and the consultant was appointed to the Home Office's standing committee on firearms. It was a valuable increase in our influence on the system.

 

[Catpop]

I really enjoyed this walk down memory lane with these old cartridges!
One thing that amazes me is how these old blackpowder cartridge levers could lob lead boolits 1-200 yards with such accuracy. I use the word lob with respect to their high midrange trajectories.
My old 38 WCF (38-40) 1873 Win made in 1887 will print 4” groups at 100 yards with original iron sights if I do my part.

 

[someguy2800]

If I wanted to shoot an antique rifle, I would have to negotiate it onto a licence. (You can put shotguns into use and resume antique-only ownership as you like.) They would probably refuse for something absurd or dangerous, like using it to shoot field-mice, or someone who had only ever used .22s on an indoor range who wanted to eliminate urban foxes. There are also velocity and energy requirements, different in England and Scotland, for shooting deer, and they can refuse when a gun doesn't measure up. But with my .40-82 Winchester I had no difficulty at all when I produced internal ballistics printouts showing that I could achieve the velocity with .41 revolver bullets. While civil servants aren't always totally logical, the pointlessness of trying to control gun use by someone they can't stop from having the gun, is just about capable of penetrating their intellect.

What country ever had gun laws that weren't at least in part crazy? But in this case ours wasn't. It was and is simply that "nothing in this act applies to an antique firearm owned as a curio or ornament". Where the craziness (and worse) came in was in what constituted an antique. Some regional police forces were prosecuting or demanding "voluntary" surrender for cartridge firearms which others wouldn't. People stood out and were acquitted, and the Home Office, our police ministry, asked one of their consultants to report on the situation. The result was their acceptance of his long list of cartridge antiques for which ammunition isn't normally available. That isn't law either - just a policy with which they have ordered police forces and prosecutors to comply.

They still get anybody who has shot or threatened anybody, which seems fair enough, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together must realise that it has brought thousands of guns into responsible ownership, instead of being passed from one schoolboy to another until something goes wrong. I've negotiated several chamberings onto the list myself, and the consultant was appointed to the Home Office's standing committee on firearms. It was a valuable increase in our influence on the system.

Thanks for posting that. We should print this out on pamphlets to pass out as a reminder that we can never let such stupidity happen. What happens to all the nice hunting rifles that they decide are unfit for your ownership and take away?

 

[Mr. Standfast]

The system is a long way from hunting rifles being taken away from anyone. As to stupidity, all we get for it is a murder rate a shade over a fifth of yours, and being trusted more by the non-shooting public. Of course everywhere has a sprinkling of the wrong sort of pacifist and animal rights campaigner (peace and animal rights in themselves not being too bad.) But there is a conspicuous absence of the attitude that gun owners are salivating boobies who long for a chance to have a burglar stuffed and mounted.

 

[ACES&8S]

I do what a lot of you probably do, or have done at one time. Collect cartridges until you realize you never come close to
the displays you see for sell sometimes.
I would post a pic of one I have but I bet someone out here knows what it is by the description.
It is a 44 which has a wooden projectile which looks like a cross between a swc & a rn,
The base stamp says 44 WCF REM - UMC.
AND, lo & behold I just looked in my collection & there is a 32 WIN SPL in the 30-30 group, I just about overlooked it.
It looks like an admirable cartridge.
I work on firearms & remember when I had that rifle here. I always get a free round from odd ones or new ones.
Don't mean to jabber so much.

 

[Bfh_auto]

I do what a lot of you probably do, or have done at one time. Collect cartridges until you realize you never come close to
the displays you see for sell sometimes.
I would post a pic of one I have but I bet someone out here knows what it is by the description.
It is a 44 which has a wooden projectile which looks like a cross between a swc & a rn,
The base stamp says 44 WCF REM - UMC.
AND, lo & behold I just looked in my collection & there is a 32 WIN SPL in the 30-30 group, I just about overlooked it.
It looks like an admirable cartridge.
I work on firearms & remember when I had that rifle here. I always get a free round from odd ones or new ones.
Don't mean to jabber so much.

I would be interested in seeing a picture of it.

 

[ACES&8S]

I would be interested in seeing a picture of it.

Just learning how to maneuver here, sorry I am late. Here is all I have that is worth looking at.