What did Barrett really do about California rifle sales?

[GunGoBoom]

Dumb question: Could a .50 cal gun maker just make their "Calif version" rifle select-fire; then any non-leo could get a class III fed license and buy one, and if they're sane, only shoot it in semi-auto mode? I know it's not a good answer by any means to the stupid ban, but this is just a hypothetical legal question.

And a point....it would be a very simple matter for Barrett to place in his sales contract to distributors an enforceable clause that makes them agree not to sell to any LEOA in Calif.

As for honoring warranty repairs to LEOAs for pre-ban guns sold - I'd think he has to do that or pay the cost of the lawsuits under a valid warranty - that's up to him - I'd be interested to know the actual answer to that, whether he will or not.

 

[El Rojo]

I am fairly certain they eliminted Class IIIs for us already. Plus we have our own AWB that pretty much takes out the features common on detachable magazine select fire rifles like a pistol grip or flash suppressor.

 

[SIGarmed]

Barrett and that Sacramento Valley range should be applauded. We need more of this. A lot more. I would hate to see the statists in in this state retaliate by unjust scrutiny though. I say if businesses band together they can make a difference especially with our support.

 

[Elmer]

I still am not sure how buying a Russian made rifle is related to anti gun laws passed in the State of California...

The feel good idea of supporting a phony boycott against the evil California, while doing business with and feeding the economies of truly evil countries we're likely to be in a war with in the future.....
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[GunGoBoom]

No one in China or Russia infringed my rights. And it's not a boycott (which is a refusal to buy). This is a refusal to sell. So it's not about economically hurting Calif. It's about making sure LEOs (whose talking heads and leadership supported the 50 ban, as I understand it), follow the same rules and have the same weapons as other citizens, which is what the 2A is about - making sure that citizens can fight the standing army and gov'ts). And it ain't phony, it's real. And I for one, if I ever get enough cash to get a 50, as I plan to, will make darn sure I scrounge up a little extra to get a Barrett - ya know, the American dude. And I own a Norinco MAK90, along with many American-made guns. Actually, boycotting China for human rights violations might not be a bad idea, actually, come to think of it, and I didn't buy my Norinco new. But human rights in a foreign country are far less important for me to protect than MY fundamental rights in MY country. Besides, even if one did boycott China for human rights violation reasons, or because we might go to war with them some day, then fantastic, but that has no bearing at all on whether one ought to also support Ronnie Barrett in his small part to fight for the RKBA in America, in addition. And as for Russia, that former small portion of the USSR, their economy sucks so bad that they'll never be a serious threat to us militarily, in my view.

El Rojo, I thought Californians still had Class III, and if so, then wouldn't class III weapons be exempt from the standard homeland defense rifle ban there? Or, if not, then a manufacturer could make one select fire, with no "conspicuously-protruding" pistol grip or whatever, to comply. Again, just hypothetically.

 

[El Rojo]

No one in China infringed my rights.

If you would go to China, you would see that they would not recognize any of your rights. They most certainly don't believe their citizens have rights. The idea is your purchase of a Chinese Norinco rifle helps put money into the hands of a tyrannical and freedom hating Chinese system of opression. You proudly support communist China, yet speak out against the abuse of our rights here in America. Some would call that hypocritical.

How does this tie in with Barrett? He is willing to stop doing business with people who abuse our rights. You on the other hand, have no problem doing business with the Chinese who don't recognize baisc human rights and some people would argue they are our enemies. I believe that is what Elmer is trying to point out.

Now if you simply say, "I am willing to buy arms from the Chinese because I feel our Second Amendment rights are more important than the few dollars I give to the anti-Second Amendment Chinese", hey go for it. It wouldn't be much different than buying arms from the Brady Center so they could use that money to pass more anti-gun legislation right?

Now Russia on the other hand, they aren't as commie anymore so I have no problem buying their guns!

 

[Elmer]

No one in China or Russia infringed my rights.

A lot of GI's in Korea and Viet Nam and a hundred other places would disagree with you.

Now Russia on the other hand, they aren't as commie anymore so I have no problem buying their guns!

The Russians are still arming our enemies. The new cruise missle they've developed will be sold to most of the crazies around the world. They are not our friends......

 

[richyoung]

A lot of GI's in Korea and Viet Nam and a hundred other places would disagree with you.

And if said G.I.s had been in, say, Texas or Iowa at the time of said infringment, you would have a point. Since they were in fact in the middle of vigorously disputed civil wars in countries that hadn't invaded us, you don't.

The Russians are still arming our enemies. The new cruise missle they've developed will be sold to most of the crazies around the world. They are not our friends......

And the Isrealis sold the Q-37 counter-battery radar to the Chinese, and WE gave stingers to the mujh....bidness is bidness. WE sell stuff to the Chinese - remember Clinton? Strike two....

 

[Bubbles]

Could a .50 cal gun maker just make their "Calif version" rifle select-fire; then any non-leo could get a class III fed license and buy one...

There's no such thing as a "class III fed license" to simply own a machine gun. Non-dealers who wish to purchase one - in the states where it's legal (and Kali ain't one of them) - simply file a BATFE Form 4 and pay a $200 transfer tax to the Feds each time they purchase one.

Now, if you want to deal in C3 firearms then you do need an FFL plus an additional license to be a C3 dealer.

 

[Elmer]

And the Isrealis sold the Q-37 counter-battery radar to the Chinese, and WE gave stingers to the mujh....bidness is bidness. WE sell stuff to the Chinese - remember Clinton? Strike two....

You're right, it perfectly understandable to praise Barrett for a phony "Boycott" against the state of California, while buying Chinese or Russian ammo because it's cheaper than American made ammo.

 

[ksnecktieman]

Elmer? Organize it, and we will join in,,,,,, excite us, and show us what we will be fighting.

Anyone want to cover a two dollar bet? I bet 2$ Elmer drives a Japanese car, AND has a computer full of Japanese components. We do not have to worry about a Japanese invasion, they are just buying our country, one acre at a time.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

El Rojo:

I think the Chinese Norinco rifles you are referring to have been banned from importation. If I am wrong on that please let me know. If I am correct, then buying one of these would be from the used market, which does nothing to feed the Chinese communists.
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[Elmer]

Elmer? Organize it, and we will join in,,,,,, excite us, and show us what we will be fighting.

Exactly what was I supposed to be organizing? I'm not a believer in boycotts. I was commenting on all the hype on Barrett's PR move and how lot's of folks like to vote with someone else's dollars.....

As far as cars, you lose.... I drive a Ford Pickup, which has way too much of it built in Mexico and Canada. Not sure if that's any better than a "Japanese" car built in the US though......

 

[El Rojo]

If I am correct, then buying one of these would be from the used market, which does nothing to feed the Chinese communists.

Very good point.

As far as the Russians go, heck everyone sells weapons to everyone. So just because the Russian military is selling components to someone else, doesn't mean I should buy a Mosin Nagant or a SKS. Afterall, who is selling all of those surplus firearms to us? The Russian government or someone who bought them from them?

 

[Elmer]

I guess I was thinking of all the comments about the American ammo companies should boycott California because of the bullet ID bill, while they buy Russian Wolf ammo.....

 

[jobu07]

If you would go to China, you would see that they would not recognize any of your rights. They most certainly don't believe their citizens have rights.

Actually, it's only their citizens that don't have any rights. If you went over there you would be suprised at just how nicely you would be treated. I had a professor in college who spent 4 years in China, up near the Korean peninsula. He had explained to us that as soon as someone foudn otu that you were an American you would be lauded to all the Chinese around as "a guest in their nation" and they would do anything to make your stay there better. Let you board teh bus first, cut ahead of everyone in lunch lines, tour factories, etc. Of course, he had a job with the US State Dept. But the native Chinese didn't know that

 

[Lone_Gunman]

jobu07,

There is a difference between being polite to strangers, and actually acknowledging their rights.

I bet if the Communist Party decided you were in China doing something they didnt like, you would find out real quick how unwelcome you are, and how few rights you have.

 

[cortez kid]

I think Barrett is leading the way for gun owners in general. I don't think he is exploiting the ban for any personnal or business gain. Less we forget, Ca. is boycotting HIM! He just drew the line of where he sensabilities will be insulted. These same idiots, Ca legislators(yeah rite) are now proposing labeling ammo. And if that weren't enough, to make guns imprint id #'s on ammo casings. Would the gun manufacturors, that already jump through enough hoops to sell in Ca, be justified to abandon the market altogether? I used to live in Ca. About 22 yrs worth. There aren't any or many gun dealers around where I lived. Santa Barabara co.. I don't see where stopping business in that state, that had little to begin with, would be such a hardship on them. I buy American, German, Yugoslavian and am looking at a Chinese gun right now. I buy what I want and whatever is available. I have "cheap" sks's and $1100 S&W's. Price has nothing to do with it. Ca. is a totalitarian state run by those people who feel their way is best, and have no guilt in trampling over anyones rights, except for illegal alliens, perverts and other idealogs of the same ilk. Let the gun makers give up on CA. I promiss to do my best to make up for it. Now if I could get that .50 semi auto for under $2000.... Mr Barrett ,you listening
good shootin
kid

 

[LAR-15]

This is no PR stunt.

This Barrett putting his foot down and saying enough!

He sells way more rifles to civilians than to police departments and if CA bans them, whose next???

Maybe the po-po will think before supporting a 50 BMG ban if Barrett says "No guns for you!"

 

[Elmer]

I think Barrett is leading the way for gun owners in general.

I buy American, German, Yugoslavian and am looking at a Chinese gun right now. I buy what I want and whatever is available.

Like I said, Boycotts seem very popular here, as long as it's somebody else's dollar.

This is no PR stunt.

This Barrett putting his foot down and saying enough!

He sells way more rifles to civilians than to police departments and if CA bans them, whose next???

Maybe the po-po will think before supporting a 50 BMG ban if Barrett says "No guns for you!"

Yawn..... OK, Snoop Dogg.....

 

[Ben Shepherd]

PR stunt or not-

If he sticks to it, good for him. Maybe, just maybe, that was his personal "line in the sand".

Good folks, a major company finally does publicly tell the gubmint to screw off, and all we can do is say "It's just a PR stunt"? Nice.

Something about standing together or hanging seperately ring any bells here?

 

[LAR-15]

Yeah it's such a PR stunt that folks just rushed out to buy his $7000 dollar rifles.

 

[Big Mike]

Interesting, what is the current theory on how they're going to mark every individual piece of ammunition? I wouldn't be suprised if ammo manufacturers told them to pack sand too.

 

[Bubbles]

Yeah it's such a PR stunt that folks just rushed out to buy his $7000 dollar rifles.

Well, new Barrets are backordered for over a year so somebody is purchasing them.

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

The Russians are still arming our enemies. The new cruise missle they've developed will be sold to most of the crazies around the world. They are not our friends......

Heck, WE arm our enemies!

http://www.mia.org.il/archive/861106lat.html
http://worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/wawjune2005.html#13

Capitalism good! Capitalism yummy! Have another piece of PIE!

snort.

The sooner y'all realize its about the almighty dollar, *and nothing else* the easier the economic shiv will go in. It will only hurt at the beginning. After that, it gets easier. Each and every time.