what do i buy if i happen to see it?

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I've often found Unique a little bit too dirty for my tastes. Now it's great because it's so versatile it has a place on any serious reloader's shelf. But it's . . . greasy kind of dirty is the only way I can describe it.


colonel kernel said:
Was planning to read it cover to cover first thing, Bullfrog..I guess everyone doesnt start an endeavor the exact same way you do. Im not going to just start mixing things up like a mad scientist but if the component climate is anything like the factory ammo climate, i'd like to pick anything up that i can if it can help me in the future. With all of that "our stuff" talk, it sounds as if you dont want anyone to join your club, maybe i need the secret password?....seriously, i plan on researching before i REALLY get started but like i said if i see 1000 small pistol primers at my LGS and they are hard to come by, i dont think it is a bad idea to go ahead and get some if i plan on using them in the future..i dont think it will affect you that much...being new to the sport/hobby/passion of shooting, ive actually grown a bit impatient with how ive been treated by a few who act like im burdening their "club". (fyi: nobody on this thread besides yourself really)..

cont..ive had plenty people congratulate me on becoming a new shooter, joining the NRA, wishing me well, offering their time to help put an extra set of eyes on anything if i need, etc...fyi bullfrog, ive made up my mind to treat anyone new to shooting that i come across in the future the same as these folks have treated me-it feels a lot better...maybe you should try and think back to when you were inexperienced before you comment..i guess im probably going to get kicked off this site for talking back to a moderator, i dont know how all this works...but no hard feelings hopefully, i see what you are getting at and dont entirely disagree with your premise, maybe just the delivery..

Look dude. My point is exactly what I said.

Make An Effort

Like your question about powder burn rates. You could have easily typed in reloading powder burn rates into Google and gotten back great data.

Instead, you decided to get lazy about it and asked us to clue you in.


Yes, I started reloading in the mid 90's. We didn't have the internet back then. I couldn't do a web search and within an hour assemble a library of information that would take me a month to digest, let alone ask questions and get answers.

I had to do it the hard way. I had to use my social skills and make friends with people who reloaded and have them show me what I was doing. First thing I got was an assignment . . . read these books . . . then come back and ask questions.

And our time was limited, so I had to ask intelligent questions. And I had to order items over the telephone from print catalogues for fast service. Most times I just mailed in my order form to Midway with a check.


So, my point is if you want our stuff to become your stuff, too. Make the effort. This isn't a hobby you can learn through on-line hand holding. I learned it from a mentor, a teacher. And I didn't waste his time. I respected it by doing my homework first.


You want to know the "secret handshake"? That's it. Do your homework and demonstrate you're going to commit the effort it takes to safely make items that make little controlled explosions in your hand and near your face.


If all you want is a shopping list of stuff to go buy . . . stuff you have no knowledge or ability or even a single tool to make use of it use yet. Dude, that's about the definition of "hoarding".

Once you demonstrate the commitment it takes to learn a technically challenging activity by doing some homework, I'll invest the time. Right now, I'm all out of patience for people who want to be spoon-fed knowledge that people have painstakingly put time in here through easily found formats like stickies.

So . . .

  1. go read them.
  2. read your books.
  3. make an effort to find something out on your own before you ask a question easily answered with a small amount of informed research
  4. then come before us with an intelligent question after you couldn't find something out on your own

If you can't do that, then don't go buying stuff you hope you might put to use one day if you learn how to use it. And if you do manage to buy the tools one day and assemble that stuff into a loaded round using the same ADHD approach you are taking in your education and research on the matter here, please do us a favor and go to someplace secluded to shoot it. Injuring yourself with your handloads is your own risk. Shooting them on a range among others and risking their health and safety is another.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. But that's the way it is. This is a fun hobby. But it's no less serious than you doing your own brakework on your car without a clue about basic auto maintenance, then taking it out on a test drive in the neighborhood where I live and my family plays.

Make an effort.
 
colonel kernel said:
...Was planning to read it cover to cover first thing, Bullfrog..I guess everyone doesnt start an endeavor the exact same way you do...
I'm going to expand on, and offer a little different perspective on, what Ken wrote just above.

If your goal is to really learn things well, you need to do the heavy lifting for yourself.

Read the books and think about them. Formulate a plan. Then maybe ask questions to test your thoughts. But just having folks tell you what to do won't get it done for you -- at least not well. If you want to be an educated shooter and reloader you need to first of all become engaged in educating yourself.

It's like going to the gym. It's not going to do you any good to have someone push the weights for you (although I dearly wish it could). You need to do the pushing yourself.

I have some personal experience with this because I didn't become involved with guns, shooting and reloading until late in life. Although I was interested in guns as a kid, I'm a city boy. It wasn't until my mid 40s that I started shooting by taking a short, introductory handgun class. If you'll look at my profile you'll see that I made up for lost time pretty well.

All through these years I've found that other, more experienced people have been very helpful and encouraging. I think in part that was because it was apparent that I was also fully personally engaged in, and taking responsibility for, my own education.

And you will make some mistakes, and that is a necessary part of learning. If you keep safety in mind, those mistakes will likely hurt nothing but your wallet, and perhaps, momentarily, your pride.
 
thx for your help everyone. Bullfrog, im sorry you didnt have the internet when you were young. Thanks again to most everyone who has posted.
 
thx Frank. And yes i plan on doing most of the heavy lifting. I just wanted to make sure i would have a few of the things i need when i do get past the planning stage. If components are as scarce as factory ammo, i wanted to have as many of the items as i could when the ball starts rolling. I understand what you and ken are saying but you cant just go out and buy these things when you decide you need them, like in the past from what i hear.
 
You could have easily typed in reloading powder burn rates into Google

i actually did that. and also looked at the burn rates chart that ReloadRon was nice enough to post for me. maybe im a slow learner. but not lazy. arent their rules here about spouting off and getting personal, saying folks are lazy? i expect more from a moderator. i havent attacked you in the least. at the top of the reloading page their is a sticky about just not commenting if you cant really add anything to the thread, you should look it over. (i know because i made the effort and read it before i started posting in the reloading forum). i dont recall it saying you couldnt ask questions about things that other people have already figured out. Where Frank sounds like he is actually trying to help with constructive criticism, you just sound....well, the opposite of that. Good day.
 
We see a great many posters come through THR looking to learn about reloading, among other things. It does not take long to figure out who is putting forth effort on their end to match the effort of those trying to help.

Helping is something we love to do, spoon feeding is not. :)
 
Nobody asked to be spoon fed. i'm soon to be reading the abcs and im looking at every website i can find, i dont know much else i can do..Never mind guys.
please close this thread someone, its really aggravating
 
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I am not sure why you guys are jumping on him, he said he has ordered the books for reading and seems to be finding more and more information by doing some internet searches.

His questions seem pretty typical for a excited guy waiting for a book to show up.

Its not like he is asking you to transcribe your books onto the forum or to come over and show him step by step on how to load ammo for himself using your components or something.

maybe I have a soft hart or its the teacher in me, but I think with the correct coaching and guidance he will get where he needs to be and figure out the process.
 
thanks grubby...for real- i was feeling a bit despondent about all that, didnt mean to tick anyone off
 
I think Hornady has the best kit going right now in their lock and load single stage kit.

this is the one that would be good for a beginner, right? where you can see each step of the process? (the press?)
 
colonel kernel said:
I just wanted to make sure i would have a few of the things i need when i do get past the planning stage. If components are as scarce as factory ammo, i wanted to have as many of the items as i could when the ball starts rolling. I understand what you and ken are saying but you cant just go out and buy these things when you decide you need them, like in the past from what i hear.

Everything is scarce right now. That's the way it is. You decided to get into guns at the height of the demand. And that's the consequence of waiting until people run around in crisis mode buying guns and ammo and decide to join in with the crowd.


Why Demand for Ammo Will Remain High
colonel kernel said:
i bought my first ever guns in mid Feb...ive bought 6400 rds of 380,9, and 223 since then..it has everything to do with new shooters (thats 6400 rds between the 3)

So, you've bought everything you acquired in the past 8-10 weeks. :rolleyes:

This vast marketplace existed before you decided to become a consumer. You live in Alabama. There is no state law that's going to pass there that will keep you from buying anything. The Federal power-grab failed and won't be taken up again anytime soon. The market will stabilize and you'll easily find what you need when it does. You got through the past three dozen years of your life just fine without all these guns and ammo in it. You can make it through the next few months.

So instead of panicking how about you relax, get some perspective, and spend your energy educating yourself instead of this help me go buy a bunch of stuff right now, because it's a crisis and I have to have it . . . kk???

If you really bought that much ammo you have plenty to keep you busy shooting for many, many, many months before you need to load ammo just to have something to shoot. I know very few gun owners who shoot 6,000 rounds a year, and most of those who do are hard-core competitors.


So get over the crisis mode. Or put another way - Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on ours.
 
Yes i have acquired those rds of late. And now i want to reload. And this is America. Get over it
 
So, when you came here in April and said you'd acquired 1,500 rounds but still wanted to stockpile more, but said your wife was complaining that you needed to ease off on the hoarding, is that what you told her, too?

This is America, get over it?
 
Question asked and answered.


CK - Please feel free to start another thread with a clear well written question, although I cannot understand your apparent lack of understanding the answers you have received.
 
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