BullfrogKen
Moderator Emeritus
I've often found Unique a little bit too dirty for my tastes. Now it's great because it's so versatile it has a place on any serious reloader's shelf. But it's . . . greasy kind of dirty is the only way I can describe it.
Look dude. My point is exactly what I said.
Make An Effort
Like your question about powder burn rates. You could have easily typed in reloading powder burn rates into Google and gotten back great data.
Instead, you decided to get lazy about it and asked us to clue you in.
Yes, I started reloading in the mid 90's. We didn't have the internet back then. I couldn't do a web search and within an hour assemble a library of information that would take me a month to digest, let alone ask questions and get answers.
I had to do it the hard way. I had to use my social skills and make friends with people who reloaded and have them show me what I was doing. First thing I got was an assignment . . . read these books . . . then come back and ask questions.
And our time was limited, so I had to ask intelligent questions. And I had to order items over the telephone from print catalogues for fast service. Most times I just mailed in my order form to Midway with a check.
So, my point is if you want our stuff to become your stuff, too. Make the effort. This isn't a hobby you can learn through on-line hand holding. I learned it from a mentor, a teacher. And I didn't waste his time. I respected it by doing my homework first.
You want to know the "secret handshake"? That's it. Do your homework and demonstrate you're going to commit the effort it takes to safely make items that make little controlled explosions in your hand and near your face.
If all you want is a shopping list of stuff to go buy . . . stuff you have no knowledge or ability or even a single tool to make use of it use yet. Dude, that's about the definition of "hoarding".
Once you demonstrate the commitment it takes to learn a technically challenging activity by doing some homework, I'll invest the time. Right now, I'm all out of patience for people who want to be spoon-fed knowledge that people have painstakingly put time in here through easily found formats like stickies.
So . . .
If you can't do that, then don't go buying stuff you hope you might put to use one day if you learn how to use it. And if you do manage to buy the tools one day and assemble that stuff into a loaded round using the same ADHD approach you are taking in your education and research on the matter here, please do us a favor and go to someplace secluded to shoot it. Injuring yourself with your handloads is your own risk. Shooting them on a range among others and risking their health and safety is another.
Sorry if that sounds harsh. But that's the way it is. This is a fun hobby. But it's no less serious than you doing your own brakework on your car without a clue about basic auto maintenance, then taking it out on a test drive in the neighborhood where I live and my family plays.
Make an effort.
colonel kernel said:Was planning to read it cover to cover first thing, Bullfrog..I guess everyone doesnt start an endeavor the exact same way you do. Im not going to just start mixing things up like a mad scientist but if the component climate is anything like the factory ammo climate, i'd like to pick anything up that i can if it can help me in the future. With all of that "our stuff" talk, it sounds as if you dont want anyone to join your club, maybe i need the secret password?....seriously, i plan on researching before i REALLY get started but like i said if i see 1000 small pistol primers at my LGS and they are hard to come by, i dont think it is a bad idea to go ahead and get some if i plan on using them in the future..i dont think it will affect you that much...being new to the sport/hobby/passion of shooting, ive actually grown a bit impatient with how ive been treated by a few who act like im burdening their "club". (fyi: nobody on this thread besides yourself really)..
cont..ive had plenty people congratulate me on becoming a new shooter, joining the NRA, wishing me well, offering their time to help put an extra set of eyes on anything if i need, etc...fyi bullfrog, ive made up my mind to treat anyone new to shooting that i come across in the future the same as these folks have treated me-it feels a lot better...maybe you should try and think back to when you were inexperienced before you comment..i guess im probably going to get kicked off this site for talking back to a moderator, i dont know how all this works...but no hard feelings hopefully, i see what you are getting at and dont entirely disagree with your premise, maybe just the delivery..
Look dude. My point is exactly what I said.
Make An Effort
Like your question about powder burn rates. You could have easily typed in reloading powder burn rates into Google and gotten back great data.
Instead, you decided to get lazy about it and asked us to clue you in.
Yes, I started reloading in the mid 90's. We didn't have the internet back then. I couldn't do a web search and within an hour assemble a library of information that would take me a month to digest, let alone ask questions and get answers.
I had to do it the hard way. I had to use my social skills and make friends with people who reloaded and have them show me what I was doing. First thing I got was an assignment . . . read these books . . . then come back and ask questions.
And our time was limited, so I had to ask intelligent questions. And I had to order items over the telephone from print catalogues for fast service. Most times I just mailed in my order form to Midway with a check.
So, my point is if you want our stuff to become your stuff, too. Make the effort. This isn't a hobby you can learn through on-line hand holding. I learned it from a mentor, a teacher. And I didn't waste his time. I respected it by doing my homework first.
You want to know the "secret handshake"? That's it. Do your homework and demonstrate you're going to commit the effort it takes to safely make items that make little controlled explosions in your hand and near your face.
If all you want is a shopping list of stuff to go buy . . . stuff you have no knowledge or ability or even a single tool to make use of it use yet. Dude, that's about the definition of "hoarding".
Once you demonstrate the commitment it takes to learn a technically challenging activity by doing some homework, I'll invest the time. Right now, I'm all out of patience for people who want to be spoon-fed knowledge that people have painstakingly put time in here through easily found formats like stickies.
So . . .
- go read them.
- read your books.
- make an effort to find something out on your own before you ask a question easily answered with a small amount of informed research
- then come before us with an intelligent question after you couldn't find something out on your own
If you can't do that, then don't go buying stuff you hope you might put to use one day if you learn how to use it. And if you do manage to buy the tools one day and assemble that stuff into a loaded round using the same ADHD approach you are taking in your education and research on the matter here, please do us a favor and go to someplace secluded to shoot it. Injuring yourself with your handloads is your own risk. Shooting them on a range among others and risking their health and safety is another.
Sorry if that sounds harsh. But that's the way it is. This is a fun hobby. But it's no less serious than you doing your own brakework on your car without a clue about basic auto maintenance, then taking it out on a test drive in the neighborhood where I live and my family plays.
Make an effort.