Well, there ya go. I can load 100 rds in 35 minutes (at max speed, to be sure) with NOTHING set up in advance. Everything still boxed up and on the shelf, including the dies. From the moment I decide I want to load a pistol caliber - any caliber - I can load up that 100 rds. And that's doing a wimpy, inefficient 100 rd batch from start to finish. For 9mm and 45ACP I often batch size and prime up to 500 cases at a time. I'm sure I could load a good bit faster with a turret and an automatic powder dispenser. I'm just trying to make the point that maybe you weren't loading on your SS in the most efficient manner, and therefore aren't comparing apples to apples.I loaded 100 rounds in 47 minutes the first time out with my Lee Classic Turret. That is nearly 3 times as fast as I could load with my single stage.
Well, to me it means you have to clean up your bench to make space. Then arrange all your stuff out in a certain way. Then you have to reach farther to get each component. And then you have to put it all away when you're done. You need a certain amount of each item, and then when one runs out, you have extras of all the other stuff to put away. With a SS, you grab 2 things at a time. And you go til one runs out.True, you have to have all your components close at hand. But I don't see that as a downside at all.
So you see no disadvantage to grabbing each brass from the floor?I have my empty brass on the floor near my left foot next to a box for my loaded rounds.
Well, with a SS and priming on the ram, by hand, you can easily drop a few more primers to finish your brass. I know you can just wait till you have exactly 100 cases. But that means you have to count them! Tell me that doesn't take time! And if you end up using up all your brass with a few leftover, then you have to put those extra cases away, again. Come on, tell me you don't spend any time organizing all your different caliber brass, esp if you sort by headstamp or x fired.Leftover loose primers? I have never seen one. Once I open a box (of 100) they find homes in the bottoms of cartridge cases before I quit for the day.
Well, my point of view is that the measure greatly speeds up the turret for the fact that you can cap that round with a bullet immediately after it's filled. If you use an automatic powder measure with a SS press, you have to take it out and set in on a loading block. Then when you're all done, you put it back in the press. You might think that you're saving a lot of time, because you're doing it while flaring, but you're not. If you set up your press correctly, you can flare 100 cases in 3 minutes if you let them fall in a bin, rather than setting them in a loading block. Then you can actually fill them faster with a dipper than a measure once they're all flared. It's an economy of motion. The brass, powder, and loading block are all right next to each other. You set the filled cases on your loading block as you go, then immediately seat the block with the seating die. With an automatic dispenser, you have to stop when your loading block(s) is(are) filled and change out the die and components for each block.An automatic powder measure can speed up a single stage just as easily as it can speed up a turret
I agree this is one of the two big time savers. But I think the automatic powder measure is right up there as equally important. I just don't imagine it very easy to get a good level scoop with a good eye on it with my left hand, and carrying it up over the top of my press at the same time as pulling a lever with my right hand, then setting the scoop down before being able to pick up and orient the bullet. Maybe I'm underestimating my dexterity and vision.I believe the one thing that makes the turret press significantly faster than a single stage is that you don't have to insert and extract the cartridge from the shell holder multiple times.
In a SS press, you only have to "index" your die one time per batch operation. So it's kinda unfair to call this an "advantage" over a SS press, lol. Manually indexing a turret for each operation of each round is a DISadvantage of a manual turret press. That fact actually makes me disappointed that the Lee Classic Turret has 4 stations. I wish it had 3, so you wouldn't have to manually turn the thing over the fourth die (which I would leave empty).Second most significant factor is if the turret press has automatic indexing.
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