What Do You Clean Your Weapon With

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Out of 15 posts, TWO people mentioned using something that cuts copper.

Copper is what causes the green crap.

Most of you guys who use #9 or CLP are going to shoot your rifles a while, and then the accuracy is going to go south.

Darn, you done shot out that barrel, huh?
Hoppe's #9 cuts copper just fine. You have to soak the barrel overnight that's all.

I've used foaming bore cleaners, Sweets, etc. After that, soaking the barrel overnight with Hoppe's still removes more copper. However, after Hoppe's those cleaners show no green or blue at all.

I found that skipping the copper cutter "pre-treatment" and just using the Hoppe's works just as well, and without the dangers to your bore or stock's finish that those copper cutters bring to the table. After dripping a bit on a couple stocks, ruining the finish and leaving ugly splotches I'm done with those caustic cleaners. It's Hoppe's for me, followed by CLP or FP10 used as oil.

I have not tried Butch's though.
 
I Normally use Hoppes, but recently the stores have been out of it so i'm using some RemOil & cheap Remington Solvent at the moment.

Isn't quite as good as Hoppes, but isn't to bad at all for the price.
 
For heavy lead i like to use J-B non imbeding bore compound and kroil for normal use i use hoppies but i am going to try eds red soon
 
I clean my guns with CLP. I clean my Mosin Nagant (and when I purchase more commie guns) with Windex as soon as I get home from the range followed by CLP. The Corps taught me to use CLP and it works, so that's what I use.
 
Hoppes, Birchwood-Casey Sheath. If corrosive ammo suspected in the slightest, Hoppes, Windex.

Repeat next day.
 
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I don't quite get this "tacticool" thing about Breakfree. Those who find using it as a single agent usually go into a rant. Something like, " the military...that's rich.... they don't know nothin about cleaning guns." Well I certainly have never cleaned my triggers with lighterfluid and such, but to each their own.

I personally use CLP, Hoppes and Barnes. Together they get me where I need to go. Would CLP work for benchrest?? Apparently not. Don't much care as I don't shoot micro MOA . I am happy with a .5 MOA with my primative cleaning techniques.

Breakfree works just fine for most of my applications. If I had just one product to use when the packing got light I would choose CLP. I was on a very dirty hunt in South Africa and was shooting what some would consider a very copper bullet....Barnes (insert sarcasm). I carried one product and it wasn't Butches.

I have no great love affair with CLP but if there is a better single, do all agent out there I am all ears. Yes, the military does have that part correct.

As far as seeing that "tacticool" breakfree at benchrest matches?? Never been to one. I am like 98% of the average shooters out there, I don't enjoy shooting any less because I didn't clean with a great obsession.

Wasn't the original post "What Do You Clean Your Weapons With?" I missed the part about what NOT to clean your weapons with.
 
Forgot to pass this on. I believe this mentions lead and copper removal properties of Breakfree as well as some other stuff. Interesting read.


BREAK-FREE (CLP) TECHNICAL REPORT

BREAK-FREE CLP
MIRACLES? MAGIC? MYSTERY?

BREAK-FREE CLP is not a miracle product. It contains no
magic ingredients. It was not conjured up in a secret cave by
long-forgotten tribesmen then discovered suddenly by smart
marketers and offered on late night TV.

But how BREAK-FREE CLP performs on firearms is nothing short
of miraculous, sometimes described as magical and is truly
mysterious to those who try to copy the formula.

In truth, BREAK-FREE CLP is a scientifically formulated
synthetic liquid specifically designed to do three important
tasks simultaneously.

1. Clean metal
2. Lubricate metal
3. Protect metal

BREAK-FREE CLP is made from a unique combination of
synthetic oils and other ingredients blended through a
proprietary series of processes developed by BREAK-FREE's
Technical Director Don Yoder. Both the ingredients and the
processes used to combine them are closely held secrets, and no
other product has been developed that duplicates either the
formula or the way it works.


FROM PLATING TO FIREARMS

Don Yoder developed BREAK-FREE in 1973 when he was running a
hard-anodizing and nickel plating operation where the constant
presence of sulfuric acid fumes caused rapid corrosion of metal.
Based on his extensive practical background in aeronautics and
oceanography applications for, Yoder wanted a product that would
be a superior lubricant and rust inhibitor, would penetrate to
the base metal and would last a long time. In addition, it had to
be safe both for the user and the environment. In his laboratory,
Yoder discovered that his combination of ingredients delivered
the performance he wanted only after they were combined, while
the individual ingredients by themselves did not. The synergism
is what makes BREAK-FREE CLP the effective product that it is.


MILITARY REQUIREMENTS

To increase reliability and performance to reduce misfires
and malfunctions in various military weapons, the U.S. Army
issued in 1971 a "purchase description"--PD-48-- listing the
performance properties of a single, multi-purpose product to
clean, lubricate and protect weaponry. These included, in broad
terms, the following requirements:

1. It must easily remove firing residue, carbon
deposits and other contaminants during the
cleaning process, and prevent the rapid buildup of
subsequent deposits during firing which cause
malfunctions and weapon failure.

2. It must lubricate moving parts, including those
which bear a heavy load, and it must continue to
lubricate over long periods of time and use. At
the same time it must not be sticky or greasy so
as to attract dust, sand or dirt which would cause
malfunctions. As a weapons lubricant it must
function under all conditions - extreme heat or
cold, in mud, water, dust, etc.

3. As a corrosion preventative it must protect the
weapon and preserve it in a "grab-and-go"
condition in all climatic conditions - high
humidity, rain, snow, etc., and it must protect
the weapon against corrosion in field use, even in
extreme conditions such as salt water
environments.

The requirements were so severe that PD-48 became known as
the "impossible specification," and from 1971 nothing was found
to come even close to meeting its requirements, until BREAK-FREE
CLP was introduced.

The U.S. Military began testing BREAK-FREE CLP in 1976 and
for almost three years it carried out test after test in the
laboratories and in the field on weapons of all types from the
M16 rifle to 8 inch artillery howitzers, until finally, in 1979,
it was completely satisfied that BREAK-FREE CLP not only met the
"impossible specification," but even exceeded its requirements.


MIL-L-63460

The U.S. Military then created a new cleaning, lubricating
and protection specification, MIL-L-63460, (largely based on PD-
48 and the exceptional performance of BREAK-FREE CLP), which set
out new and extremely high performance requirements for a single
product cleaner, lubricant and preservative and the test methods
by which to evaluate its performance.

BREAK-FREE CLP was approved by the U.S. Military to the MIL-
L-63460 specification, and since that time has been continuously
used as the primary maintenance product by the U.S. Army, Navy
and U.S. Air Force for cleaning, lubricating and preserving all
weapons...tanks, mortars, rifles, machine guns, or guns on
battleships.

Since their introduction, MIL-L-63460 and BREAK-FREE CLP
have become recognized by Militaries around the world as the
standards by which to ensure the maximum performance and
protection of weapons and weapon systems, and both have been
adopted by 20 countries throughout the free world, including
NATO, which has given the specification the NATO number S-758.


THE BREAK-FREE CLP WORLD

The following countries are among those that have adopted
BREAK-FREE CLP to clean, lubricate and protect weapons from small
arms to naval guns: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Holland, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Singapore, New
Zealand and U.S.A.


WHAT HAS THIS MEANT FOR THE MILITARY

By using BREAK-FREE CLP to replace other cleaners,
lubricants and preservatives, the Military has achieved:

*Better and easier cleaning with fewer malfunctions
caused by accumulation of firing deposits.

*Improved and longer lasting lubrication for
improved weapon performance and reliability in
temperatures ranging from -50 C to +240 C --
increased mean time between failures.

*Weapons can be cleaned and left in a "grab-and-go"
condition. No need to remove grease or de-oil
before firing.

*Improved corrosion protection, in all climatic
conditions and environments.

*Easy, one step cleaning, lubricating and
preserving.

*Because it can be done easily and quickly, weapon
maintenance is more likely to be done correctly.

*The soldier has to carry only one item in the
field for all his cleaning, lubricating and
preserving needs.

*The costs and burden are significantly reduced.

*The frequency of weapon maintenance can be
reduced.

*Material and labor costs are reduced.

*The reliability, maintainability and dependability
of weapons is improved.

*Weapon life is extended.

*Combat readiness is improved.

In summary, BREAK-FREE CLP provides the most combat weapon,
able to function in all conditions and environments.

*It reduces the time and difficulty of weapon
cleaning, lubrication preservation.

*It lowers the frequency of weapon maintenance.

*It extends the life of the weapon.

*It improves the performance and reliability of a
weapon.

*It reduces the cost by replacing 5 products.

And...it does it for less overall cost.

But perhaps the greatest benefit of all is that it may save
the life of the soldier or policeman who depends on his weapon to
work at all times.

It really no wonder that BREAK-FREE CLP is used by so many
Militaries and law enforcement agencies throughout the world.

KEEP YOUR FIREARMS IN "COMBAT READY" CONDITION...AND RECEIVE
THE SAME BENEFITS REALIZED BY THE MILITARY

While claims such as this are made by many other cleaners,
lubricants, preservatives and miscellaneous potions, and may
sound very convincing, BREAK-FREE CLP'S long association with and
acceptance by the Free World's armed forces proves the validity
of this report.

BREAK-FREE CLP is a balanced formula created from years of
development work combined with field testing to ensure that the
"balance" fulfills the user's needs.

Operation at low temperatures; corrosion resistance for
tropical climates; lubrication for all weather operation as well
as Bore cleaning were some of the required conditions to be met.
Each one working without detracting from another.

BREAK-FREE CLP has achieved this balance and offers the long
term values.

All of your own guns...handguns, rifles, shotguns,...should
be kept in peak condition by caring for them with BREAK-FREE CLP,
remember, however, that guns do not clean or lube themselves. Be
sure to clean and lubricate all working parts, chambers, actions
and barrels using proper techniques.

BREAK-FREE CLP can be applied to the bore of a firearm from
either end and should also be applied to the firing pin, bolt,
receiver, etc., of the rifles and shotguns. When cleaning a
handgun, apply a light coat of BREAK-FREE CLP to all surfaces of
the barrel, forcing cone and mechanical parts, as well as to the
magazine of an semi-automatic pistol if it is dirty or rusty. We
do not suggest spraying BREAK-FREE CLP on ammunition, even though
test reports on file show that BREAK-FREE CLP did not affect
primers on rounds soaked in it for two weeks.


WHAT BREAK-FREE CLP WILL DO FOR YOUR FIREARMS

CLEANING

Unlike degreaser-type bore cleaner, BREAK-FREE CLP
never leaves metal unprotected. This is why proper gun
care procedures caution against getting bore cleaner in
the action where they leave a dry, unlubricated residue
that can inhibit normal operation of working parts.
With BREAK-FREE CLP. the cleaning action goes right to
the base metal, undercutting contaminants including
powder residue, lead and copper fouling. It breaks
these contaminants free of the metal and lifts them
away. It leaves behind a barrier film that both
lubricates and protects the metal from corrosion. This
film will not attract dirt as regular gun oils do and
consequently will not permit firing residue to build up
on metal surfaces.

LUBRICATING

Because BREAK-FREE CLP last so long, it provides
superior lubrication for moving metal parts. Most other
oils and combination products evaporate so quickly,
virtually all protection is gone within hours. In the
case of heavier oils and wax-bearing compounds used for
lubrication, dirt and burnt powder are attracted to the
metal and a gummy residue is formed.

PROTECTION

Corrosion is the enemy of all metals, and steel
used in firearms is very susceptible to rust because of
the often harsh environment firearms are used in.
BREAK-FREE CLP protects metal better than other gun
care products because its protection outlasts mineral
oil and wax based products. Salt-spray tests prove that
BREAK-FREE CLP protects metal in conditions far beyond
what the average hunter or shooter will put his firearm
through. Other products tested fail in a very short
time and leave the metal unprotected against rust.


WHY MANY PRODUCTS CANNOT MEET THESE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS

Ordinary single-function solvents, even with vigorous
scrubbing, will not dislodge the solid particulate in the
microscopic striations of the metal surface, consequently leaving
some traces of contamination, dust, dirt, oils, water and
corrosion.

The bulk of popular consumer products use a combination of
solvents, waxes, and inexpensive mineral oils to provide
lubrication. While these provide some short term results, they
usually fail at the points where they are needed most. One of the
most popular lubricants and corrosion inhibitors for many
manufacturers is wax. Temperature changes and use causes was
formulations to undergo composition change that eventually
becomes gummy and forms varnish, lacquer-like residue.
Inexpensive mineral oils also have similar shortcomings. Mineral
oils of this type can break down under heat and pressure to form
a gummy sludge.

Another major flaw in many products is the tendency to focus
on one property, such as wear, at the expense of other
properties, such as corrosion prevention.


THE MILITARY TESTING PROGRAM: PROVING HOW EFFECTIVE BREAK-FREE
CLP REAL IS

The military does not accept new proposals lightly,
particularly when it affects so many of the weapons they use.
Therefore, the testing and evaluation was undertaken in 3
distinct steps from 1976 through 1979.

Step one: FIELD TESTING

BREAK-FREE CLP was an unknown. To provide some
history, many weapons were tested using BREAK-FREE CLP
to replace the standard lubricants. Handguns, rifles,
machine guns and Vulcan gatling guns were tested, each
with success.

In each case, the ease of use, ability to clean
the bore and lubricate the weapon showed there was
promise.

Step two: LABORATORY TESTING

With the apparent success working on actual
weapons, the next step was to measure the various
properties and quantify them.

The only yardstick available was a purchase
description, PD-48, issued in May 1971, to describe a
multipurpose cleaner, lubricant and preservative for
use on small arms weapons. Eleven basic values were
measured:

1. Flash Point C(F)...........65.5 (150)

2. Pour Point C(F)............-59 (-75)

3. Shell 4-ball Scar dia......0.8 mm max.

4. Falex Wear Life............20 min. @ 250 lbs.

5. Falex Peak Load............1 min. @ 750 lbs.

6. Firing Residue Removal.....80% minimum

7. Primer Salts Removal.......No Corrosion

8. Metals Corrosion in milligrams per square centimeter
max

...........................Zinc...........1.5
...........................Aluminum.......0.2
...........................Brass..........1.0
...........................Steel..........0.2
...........................Copper.........1.5
...........................Magnesium......0.5
...........................Cadmium........1.5

9. Humidity Cabinet...........900 hours min.

10.Salt Spray Cabinet........100 hours min.

11.Water Displacement and water stability..No Corrosion

This would later be expanded in MIL-L-63460 to include:

12.Viscosity at +40 C.............9 cst. min.

13.Viscosity at -54 C.............3700 cst. max.

14.Residue & fluidity -54 C.......Permit Movement

15.Chemical Agent Detector Paper..........No affect

16.Corrosion Protection From Propellant
Reaction....................No Corrosion

In each case, BREAK-FREE CLP met or exceeded the
requirements of PD-48, and eventually MIL-L-63460.

These tests are still used today in routine
quality control testing to guarantee the continuing
quality of BREAK-FREE CLP.

Step Three: CONTROLLED GUN FIRING

From the success in the Field Testing and the
Laboratory Testing, a controlled Gun Firing Test was
needed.

Since nothing existed to measure the value of the
lubricant, they used the original qualification tests
of the M16-A1 and M60 machine gun. BREAK-FREE CLP was
used on 3 M16-A1 rifles and 3 M60's while LSA (MIL-L-
460000) was used on an additional set of 3 each. The
testing was done in great detail. Endurance, sand &
dust, mud, low temperature, and a salt water dip were
all part of the program using the cyclic rate of fire
and failures to fire to develop the expected MTBF (Mean
Time Between Failure).

BREAK-FREE CLP proved to be far more reliable than
LSA, particularly in the salt water dip where CLP
showed a 400% improvement over LSA lubricant on the M60
machine gun.

The conclusion for the military was simple: A single product
to replace several, reducing inventory and saving on the cost of
logistics, coupled with an improved "Mean Time Between Failure."

The apparent success from informal field trials was now a
proven success with laboratory style gun firing supporting the
previous conclusions of field personnel.

BREAK-FREE CLP was approved in 1979 and began entering the
inventory in 1980 where it has now seen extensive service
worldwide for over 10 years.
 
I use Rem oil for some lubrication, and Outers Bore Cleaner for a foul bore, but mostly this, below.

weaponshield.jpg

Made this poster after I got my free sample, and discovered this stuff really does a great job, even when shooting bare lead.
 
I'm sure break free has a good public relations staff...

Any penetrating oil will eventually get "under" crud. Eventually. And it'll get some of it out. _Some_ of it. I'm sure that break free works fine on carbon. Then again, so do a lot of other things. Penetrating oils (such as stuff like WD-40, Kroil, and to an extent, Ed's Red) work by getting "into" areas and working stuff loose to be brushed out. But that takes TIME.

And since the majority of us are not humping the boonies, we can use what is best for our rifles. Reading through their stuff, they keep talking about "reliability" and such... Yeah, if you soak something in oil, it's probably going to remain reliable. What they don't talk about is accuracy. I'm sure it's fine for cleaning an M-16 bolt or a sloppy burst trigger group, but it's a compromise (and not all that good of one...) for cleaning a barrel. Then again, the army is NOT concerned with accuracy. They just want the boomstick to go "bang" every time.

As for lighter fluid? The fellow who told me to use it is named Arnold Jewell... But hey, you probably know a LOT more about trigger mechanisms than he does, right?

And, for what it's worth, I was in the Army... And I cleaned my rifle dutifully with break free... And hated it, because it took next to forever to get that old H&R to "inspection" status... My current AR-15s do not have chrome lined barrels, and do quite well with a diet of Butch's for copper and carbon, and spraycan oil for the lower receiver...

How many of you guys have bolt actions? How many have cleaned the lug area of the receiver? And how many of you use any sort of lube on the backs of the bolt lugs?
 
I like Mpro 7 products especially their cleaner.

This is now sold as Hoppes Elite cleaner and Hoppes elite field cleaner.

I havent found anything that works better at cleaning lead and carbon fouling, and its non toxic and has no fumes or carcinogens. It works much better than hoppes #9, on everything Except plastic wad fouling in my shotguns, that requires Hoppes 9 and a brush.

For copper I use Sweets 7.62. This is after many years and trying everything, I shoot alot of cast bullets so lead fouling removal is my #1 priority, the Hoppes elite / Mpro7 just makes the lead fall out of the barrel when I use a bronze brush with it, nothing else I have ever used comes close.
 
Hoppes for regular cleaning and once in a while sweets or a foaming bore cleaner for copper.
 
Nope. After every target. Competition targets have two halves - the top is the "record" target, and the bottom is a "sighter." We are allowed to fire at the sighter to see where rounds will impact given the current conditions (wind, temperature, mirage, etc.).

I'll usually fire between 10-15 rounds while completing one record target. Maybe 20 if shooting a 10 shot unlimited group.

And I clean the rifle while reloading. Whole process pretty much takes under a half hour.

If you let the stuff build up, it starts affecting accuracy. And if you let it build up too much, it doesn't want to come out. And you have a barrel that _was_ capable of shooting sub 0.2" groups that now only gets inside 0.25" with extreme luck...
 
what do i clean with?

my daughter just shy of her ccw but has 14 years of experience and her boyfriend who i ccw'ed last year has 3 years.
they get lots of hands on practice & lessons and i get clean guns.;)
both work the reloader (except for .40). i aint lazy; i am energy (mine) efficient.:)
 
I agree with Armoredman. George Fennel's Weapon Shield is even better than his FP-10. Shooting USPSA, I haven't found the need for anything else.
 
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