What do you look for in an Indoor Shooting Range?

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The front door.

I donot shoot at indoor ranges. I've seen too many dolts and wreckless behavior to want to shoot among a bunch or random strangers.
Somewhere in the vicinity of 1983-84, a friend and I were on the Ft. Knox Public Range. We were both Captains stationed there.

We had been on the range for a while when a couple of local civilians showed up. We stopped shooting to allow them to set up their targets.

Shooting resumed, and after a while we called a ceasefire so that we could go downrange and change targets.

About half way to the targets, we started hearing supersonic cracks followed by thumps.

Turning around, we saw the townies, FIRING.

We immediately called another ceasefire and double-timed back uprange.

We demanded to know what the hell they thought they were doing shooting, with people VISIBLY downrange, DURING a mutually agreed to ceasefire.

Their reply: "We wasn't shootin' atcha', we was shootin' PAST ya."

Our reply to their reply: "Do it again and we'll shoot THROUGH you."

We then locked up our guns and headed for Range Control to report them.

By the time we got back with the range master, Larry and Daryl were gone.

From then on, we NEVER set up later than 7-8am to avoid the "Deliverance" crowd.

There is NO place, indoors or outdoors, where an imbecile CAN'T (or won't) do something stupid with a firearm.
 
Somewhere in the vicinity of 1983-84, a friend and I were on the Ft. Knox Public Range. We were both Captains stationed there.

We had been on the range for a while when a couple of local civilians showed up. We stopped shooting to allow them to set up their targets.

Shooting resumed, and after a while we called a ceasefire so that we could go downrange and change targets.

About half way to the targets, we started hearing supersonic cracks followed by thumps.

Turning around, we saw the townies, FIRING.

We immediately called another ceasefire and double-timed back uprange.

We demanded to know what the hell they thought they were doing shooting, with people VISIBLY downrange, DURING a mutually agreed to ceasefire.

Their reply: "We wasn't shootin' atcha', we was shootin' PAST ya."

Our reply to their reply: "Do it again and we'll shoot THROUGH you."

We then locked up our guns and headed for Range Control to report them.

By the time we got back with the range master, Larry and Daryl were gone.

From then on, we NEVER set up later than 7-8am to avoid the "Deliverance" crowd.

There is NO place, indoors or outdoors, where an imbecile CAN'T (or won't) do something stupid with a firearm.

No kidding. I prefer to drive out into the desert (in legal shooting zones only) far and AWAY from other people.

The only people near me will be my trusted friends.

Last time I was at an indoor range I was badly disturbed by what happened there. Again, I avoid them if it all possible these days. I'm lucky to now live in an area that allows this kind of shooting but understand many are not so lucky, which is a shame.

The sad fact is, it is easy for anyone to get a gun in this country legally. ANYONE. People that don't know what they're doing, and frankly have no business with a firearm, can get one easily. It's a double edged sword and I defend our second amendment rights but this is one consequence of that right that can and is regularly abused by foolish people who don't respect what firearms are capable of.
 
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Private family range a little over one mile away, and I get invited every so often. :) They have miles of land beyond the berm, too, nothing but farmland.
Hope my original comments were helpful
 
HERRWALTHER: First, thank you for your service. What amenities does your range have that you really like/utilize? What would you have them add? Also, thinking in terms of TIME, not distance, how long would you be willing to drive to a range you really like? Thanks, Fred

A few new ranges have opened up near me but haven't tried any of them yet. But I already know they have some features I like over my current range. But in any case my current range provides rental ear protection, eye protection, and a free target with the range fee. And the range fee is something like $12 a person. This range lets you use your own, but it is nice to have the options available if you forget targets or something else. Their selection of firearms isn't very extensive for a new shooter. Inside the range feels like a sauna so I never fire more than a couple hundred rounds per session. And I can use my own ammo there which is great if I am testing a handload. It is about a 30 minutes drive which is about the furthest extent I would go to practice. Some of the ranges that just opened are much closer.

I believe it is important that if you are going to have firearm rentals at a range, they are practical rentals for concealed carry. Have some "fun" pieces too like class III stuff if you have the license. But if one of your rentals is a 5.25" custom XDm with a red dot, that is not a very practical carry firearm.
 
A few new ranges have opened up near me but haven't tried any of them yet. But I already know they have some features I like over my current range. But in any case my current range provides rental ear protection, eye protection, and a free target with the range fee. And the range fee is something like $12 a person. This range lets you use your own, but it is nice to have the options available if you forget targets or something else. Their selection of firearms isn't very extensive for a new shooter. Inside the range feels like a sauna so I never fire more than a couple hundred rounds per session. And I can use my own ammo there which is great if I am testing a handload. It is about a 30 minutes drive which is about the furthest extent I would go to practice. Some of the ranges that just opened are much closer.

I believe it is important that if you are going to have firearm rentals at a range, they are practical rentals for concealed carry. Have some "fun" pieces too like class III stuff if you have the license. But if one of your rentals is a 5.25" custom XDm with a red dot, that is not a very practical carry firearm.

HERRWALTHER: This is helpful. Thanks again!! ---Fred
 
1. What are 3 or 4 things you really like about the range where you shoot?
I currently only shoot at a free, city maintained outdoor range that is unmonitored, but when I did shoot at indoor ranges, the number one thing was ventilation. The air flow has to be positive and constant, not to mention is outside air, it needs to be cooled in hot areas. AC will not work well on many indoor ranges due to cost of cooling such an enormous space, but swamps can work, IF not in a humid area. Also, as mentioned, no restrictions on picking up my personal property, i.e., my brass I brought in. Full disclosure, I worked at two ranges years ago, and we had enough extra brass left over to have a brass barrel with baggies for reloaders to "grab bag" what they wanted. That was popular. Amenities are huge, a place to sit that's relaxing, preferably watching the line, so non shooting family members can watch, (yes, you will get them), and others can swap war stories and other lies without taking up sales floor room. Free coffee would be neat, but costly, however a couple of soda machines would be fine with disclaimers, "please no food or drink on the firing line" Cue that nice comfortable place to sit, catch a breather, and see the displays all around through a relaxed eye...and realize, "Gee, I really could use a new cleaning kit, and those spare magazines for my pistol sure are reasonably priced."

2. What are 3 or 4 things you really dislike about the range where you shoot?

Overbearing staff. Hire people who love to shoot, and know something about guns. People can tell you all the horror stories about range salesmen/RSO who know bupkiss about anything the spout. Restrooms need to be clean, stocked, and WORKING - I have experienced dirty restrooms with no toilet paper that look like they should be in a Conoco on south I-10! Costs that reflect reality - if you are charing Hollywood prices for Dixie customers, out the door you will go.


3. If you could change anything about the design or amenities, what would they be?

Better backstop. Do NOT skimp on the backstop. That will be the single biggest and most important expense, and you NEED to go big. If you buy something cheesy like one range I worked at, you have ricochets that go interesting places. For instance, we had a lady who had bounce back bad enough she had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance. Also when cleaning the traps, (nothing more than steel buckets bullets fell in to at the bottom of the slant), I could look straight up and there was a thin gap between the overhead steel and backstop. You know what was above that? Holes in the ceiling where ricochets went straight through the roof, straight up. Pay good coin for a good, solid reliable backstop that's easy to clean and you will also have to pay more for rifle strength metal. If you go pistol only, you will lose business, and I can ALSO tell you how much fun it is to replace a steel backstop panel with 8 divots out of it from a guy who brought a Ruger Mini-14 on the firing line...told the RSO it was "just a 22!"

4. In terms of TIME (not distance), how long are you willing to drive to get to a range you really like?

Less than an hour, to be honest. Location, location, location - make sure you have some fast food joints nearby, but NO BARS. Throwing out drunks is not fun.


5. Anything else I should know about? Question(s) I should have asked?

Rentals. Nothing drives business more than handgun rentals, "drive before you buy!" It is NOT cheap, and will put a dent in trying to keep up with popular models, but some places, Glock comes to mind, will do discounts on range rental guns with some stipulations, like they can't be sold for a year, IIRC. Also, ammo - "range rentals must be fired with our ammo" No snark on reloaders, after all, I AM one, but I have seen some reloaded ammo that scares me to death. Blow up YOUR gun if you want, but ours only shoot what we have - and then make sure to stock two different kinds behind the range counter, the GOOD stuff, "so they can feel what real defensive loads are like" and cheaper range fodder. They WILL buy both. Also, look into hosting small local matches, IDPA style shoots, local stuff for small prizes out of the store, "first place, 100 rounds of Remington 9mm ammo, second prize new hearing protection", something like that. Write it off as promo at retail value. Also, get good MATCHING display cases. Buying used and mismatching is much cheaper - and it looks that way. If your sales floor looks like it came from Goodwill, what else did you skimp on? Oh, and speaking of skimping, get good target carriers - the clothesline ones are cheap and break easy. Rails are expensive, but people love them as the target doesn't bounce around when they get the right distance for 30 seconds...but repairs aren't cheap. Good baffles over the lights, too. Beware what lights you use, as some require damn near haz mat cleanup, and having to shut the range down every hour and bunny suit an employee to clean up haz mat will kill business. Plenty of well protected lighting.
Get your staff NRA Instructor certified - new shooters have questions, and they don't always come with a friend.

Hope that wasn't too much. It's been a few years since I worked there, (no, that range is long gone), so I probably forgot something....

ARMOREDMAN: Thanks for this comprehensive response!! I appreciate your taking time to answer my questions! Have a great Thanksgiving! ---Fred
 
Most ranges do not like reloads because of the liability if the load explodes and injures someone.

The indoor range I shoot at is a members only range with several different levels (Associate, regular, military/first responder, lifetime with family options) Each member must have a CCW or have a police background check within 30 days which ensures no felons have access.

We have try before buy programs for members only. They also only sell guns, ammo, & accessories to members or to people taking classes only. Take a class and you get discounts for a membership.

You can't draw from a holster in the stalls (insurance limitation) but they do have training classes and tactical competitions inside the range where you draw from the holster and from being concealed. When you shoot inside the range, inside the normal firing line, you have to use "clean" lead free ammo which you can bring in or purchase there. Lead free is needed because the ventilation is optimized for the firing line and lead exposure might happen when you are inside the range area.

Each stall has bullet proof dividers of AR500 steel covered in two inches of rubber. The backstop is shredded rubber on a stepped platform. There is four feet of rubber to accept the rounds, no rounds have penetrated more than two feet of rubber. They have a company come in and vacuum the rubber off the steps, putting it on the floor. They then shovel off the spent bullets and then blow the rubber back onto the steps. This causes minimal range down time as they can do it very quickly. The vendor is responsible for meeting all hazmat requirements.
 
Frisco Gun Club? If so, your thoughts?
I know some members, and have been to a couple of social events.
Felt like an E4 at an Admiral's Tea.
And that even knowing a shrimp fork from a salad.
While their discounts for "service members" is a nice gesture; the hours availability only for the retired set.
It's also a full hour's drive for me, one way, not in rush hour traffic (well over 90 minutes from 1600-1800).
 
Most ranges do not like reloads because of the liability if the load explodes and injures someone.

The indoor range I shoot at is a members only range with several different levels (Associate, regular, military/first responder, lifetime with family options) Each member must have a CCW or have a police background check within 30 days which ensures no felons have access.

We have try before buy programs for members only. They also only sell guns, ammo, & accessories to members or to people taking classes only. Take a class and you get discounts for a membership.

You can't draw from a holster in the stalls (insurance limitation) but they do have training classes and tactical competitions inside the range where you draw from the holster and from being concealed. When you shoot inside the range, inside the normal firing line, you have to use "clean" lead free ammo which you can bring in or purchase there. Lead free is needed because the ventilation is optimized for the firing line and lead exposure might happen when you are inside the range area.

Each stall has bullet proof dividers of AR500 steel covered in two inches of rubber. The backstop is shredded rubber on a stepped platform. There is four feet of rubber to accept the rounds, no rounds have penetrated more than two feet of rubber. They have a company come in and vacuum the rubber off the steps, putting it on the floor. They then shovel off the spent bullets and then blow the rubber back onto the steps. This causes minimal range down time as they can do it very quickly. The vendor is responsible for meeting all hazmat requirements.

SWEDE4198: Thanks for the detailed comments. I appreciate your taking the time to do this. One more thing: also like your prayer!! Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving! ---Fred
 
I know some members, and have been to a couple of social events.
Felt like an E4 at an Admiral's Tea.
And that even knowing a shrimp fork from a salad.
While their discounts for "service members" is a nice gesture; the hours availability only for the retired set.
It's also a full hour's drive for me, one way, not in rush hour traffic (well over 90 minutes from 1600-1800).

CAPNMAC: Recommending you for an upgrade in rank!! Thanks for the added detail. Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. ---Fred
 
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