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What do you think is the major "sleeper" cartridge out there?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by blackops, Aug 16, 2010.

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  1. blackops

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    I'm basically requesting everyone's opinion as to which cartridge do they really believe is the true "sleeper" (excellent cartridge that really isn't spoken about or given the resepect it should in your opinion) cartridge out there?

    Mine is the 7 wsm. You never hear the same chatter about the 7 wsm as compared to the 6mm or 308, 300wm, 338 lapua etc. The more I research the more I come back to this cartridge. A laser beam out to 1k and can handle 1600yds. Shooting 180 VLD's at 3000fps with a BC of 659...that's just nasty.
     
  2. LeonCarr

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    Handgun round - 10mm, easily the most versatile handgun round out there.

    Rifle round - .35 Whelen, magnum stopping power without the magnum recoil.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
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  3. PT1911

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    7.62x25 and 357 sig for handgun....

    260 for rifle.

    and i will throw a tip of the hat to the immortal 45-70.
     
  4. benzy2

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    .260 would be mine. Great parent case, great selection of bullets. Wish it were chambered in more factory rifles.
     
  5. kcmarine

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    5.45x39mm Soviet. Low recoil and 5.45 Saigas are being imported. Needs far more domestic brass made for it, as is the case with most Soviet cartridge designs.
     
  6. chieftain

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    30-30 Both the cartridge and the carbines made for it.

    Has taken every critter that exists on the American Continents. And does most everything in a very nice package. Kills at one end and does not maim at the other.

    If you are looking for 300 plus ranges, look else where. But in 56 years of shooting and hunting, I can't remember a hunting shot over 150 yards. The ole' 30-30 does all that just fine.

    Go figure.

    Fred
     
  7. blackops

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    Even though this is a rifle thread, I would agree with this statement.
     
  8. Abel

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    The 35 Remington is a sleeper, at least it was for me. It came out the same time as the 30-06, but isn't chambered in anything much at all today. A 200 grain pill is like the kiss of death on deer. I grew up knowing zero about it & happened to stumble into a good deal on a 35 cal. Marlin 336. Lets just say that I'm awake now. The 260 Remington is another sleeper; the 308 perfected some think. I lean more towards the 7mm-08 in that cartridge group, but my 308 has been nullifying deer life for some time. We could do everything we needed to do with a 22, a 223, a 30-06, and a 338 Win Mag. We are a lucky group to have so many good sleeper picks on top of established ones.
     
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    I'd probably go with the 260.
     
  10. Armed012002

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    A .30 caliber cartridge with the same energy as a 30-30 chambered in an AR-15/M-16.
     
  11. Mp7

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    7.62 x 25

    There should be carbines for it, as well as hi-cap handguns.
     
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    480 ruger both for handguns and carbines.
     
  13. LeonCarr

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    Hey Blackops,

    Had to give kudos to the Ten, and I think Olympic makes/used to make an AR in that caliber. There, now it is rifle related :).

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
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  14. chieftain

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    It already exists, it is called the 7.62X39 "ComBloc". You know what the original AK47 and SKS were chambered in. Now several folks put them in AR type rifles.

    PTR makes a HK knockoff for it, and it is available in the Robinson XCR too.

    Good choice.

    Go figure.

    Fred
     
  15. Al LaVodka

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    .357 Maximum!

    .357 Maximum...

    ...in a revolver that can handle it w/out severe gas-jet cutting (it is only 40,000 PSI) as well as a lever-action carbine mechanism that is just long enough to handle its 1.99" OAL too and squeeze what it can out of the case!

    It is the 21st C. and those big handgun calibers are coming into their own. I think the .357 Maximum has a LOT to offer and I'd like to see it developed and survive. Besides the universal use of guns chambered in it using .357's and .38's too, the guns could be kept relatively small, the ultimate matching handgun/carbine rifle chambering is useful, and I think the penetration capabilities are excellent.

    Al


    Cart., Bullet Dia., Bullet Weight (grs), FPS, Energy ft./lbs., Ballistic Coefficient

    357 Mag, .357, 158, 1,500, 800, .16

    357 Rem. Maximum, .357, 170, 2,000, 1,500, .18

    44 Mag, .429, 240, 1,500, 1,200, .17

    454 Casull, .452, 335, 1,600, 1,900, .19

    460 S&W, .452, 300, 2,100, 2,800, .19

    480 Ruger, .475, 325, 1,400, 1,300, ?

    500 S&W, .500, 400, 1,800, 2,900, .19
     
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    .280Rem/7mm Express. D@mn near perfect case capacity to bore ratio.

    Don
     
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    I know it has had a long history and dedicated following, but it seems to me that TODAY the .30-06 Springfield is somewhat of a sleeper. Mostly displaced by the .308 Win--and a whole raft of uber- and supershort magnums--the '06 still gets it done, quietly and confidently. For the reloader, the cartridge provides countless variations in loads and velocities. Yes, it's the 21st century ... but the '06 is a classic that no longer gets the respect it deserves.
     
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    8mm Mauser, 338-06
     
  19. Al LaVodka

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    +1 Legionnaire, but as the .30-06 Ackley Improved -- what I call the .308 Magnum. The round is 100 FPS faster than the standard .30-06 due to minimal case changes and guns chambered in it can still fire those standard .30-06's!
    Al
     
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    +1 on the 8mm Mauser and the 10mm. Good call so far guys, all of these calibers (along with many others) are what seperate the gun nuts from the average shooter.
     
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    .38 Super for the 1911. I need to get one of these and start reloading for it.

    6.5x55 Swedish Mauser which the .260 Remington duplicates in a shorter cartridge. Both underated IMHO.
     
  22. TexasPatriot.308

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    7mm-08 and or 6.5 x 55, perfect for just about all North American game shy of grizzlies or moose. even in Europe it is a moose round though they are not as big boddies as North American moose.
     
  23. taliv

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    agree w/dakota
     
  24. snakeman

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    Hunting rifle - 260 rem and 8x57 mauser are both sleepers
    Handgun 7.62x25 tokarev

    I have shot deer with the mauser round and watched them slam like nothing else.
     
  25. Captcurt

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    I like the 260 also. Shot a couple of whitetails with. Very nice round.
     
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