What, exactly, is probable cause for a vehicle search?

[pacodelahoya]

When I worked as a correctional officer, I worked the 4x12 shift. I was pulled at least monthly for driving after midnight. Guess what the first question the police always asked was? "How much have you had to drink tonight sir?"

 

[Delta608]

When I worked as a correctional officer, I worked the 4x12 shift. I was pulled at least monthly for driving after midnight. Guess what the first question the police always asked was? "How much have you had to drink tonight sir?"

I heard you correctional officers were always testing the inmates homemade booze...

 

[pacodelahoya]

Delta, if you knew how it was made you wouldn't want to drink it. Never mind the godawful smell!

It is called jump, short for jumpsteady (the test to see if you are drunk, have to be able to jump up and down in one spot, nowadays, they just give you breathalyzer)


please excuse my thread drift

 

[Biker]

They don't make Pruno anymore?

Biker

 

[pacodelahoya]

Where I worked, it was koolaid, sugar and bread then you put it in the toilet to keep it cool for a couple of weeks till it fermented. umm umm good

 

[ilbob]

I was pulled at least monthly for driving after midnight. Guess what the first question the police always asked was? "How much have you had to drink tonight sir?"

I got stopped more than once on the way home from 2nd shift as well. Not doing anything illegal, just out at 1 am. No citations. Just stopped for no discernible reason. But not monthly.

 

[thexrayboy]

The worst thing you can do is to attempt to argue constitutional law on the side of the road. You will never win out there. Consult an attorney and argue the law in court.

Excellent advice.....if you can afford to take that route. Any one on this forum who has ever had to hire an attorney for anything will tell you that it is not something done on a whim. The hourly costs billed by attorneys start at very expensive and go up from there. The typical hourly fee for a small law firm starts in the $100/ hr range and goes up. Large firms typically charge $2-300 per hour and fees can easily top $5-600 per hour for partners in a large and influential law partnership. So while the fee ranges vary dramatically the one thing they all have in common is that they are way way too expensive for the average joe to afford for any reason but the most serious cases. And even then many people simply cannot afford adequate representation.

Any officer who is not aware of this fact is an ostrich living with his head in the sand. LEO know that unless they commit an especially egrigious violation of a citizens rights the likelyhood of that citizen being able to take any kind of meaningful action in court is miniscule. It's an ugly ugly fact of life...justice may be blind but it is most certainly not inexpensive.

The end result of this sad fact is citizens are simply unable to demand justice unless they have exceptionally deep fiscal assets.

 

[ilbob]

The end result of this sad fact is citizens are simply unable to demand justice unless they have exceptionally deep fiscal assets.

and every cop knows this and depends on it.

some times you just have to suck it up and take it, because there is nothing that can be done when you are wronged in relatively minor ways, and that covers the vast majority of LE misconduct cases.

It is not egregious enough to warrant the expense of litigation, and there is almost never any chance of getting any satisfaction from the agency discipline system.

Even in serious cases of LE misconduct, it is rare that justice is served. That is just the way it is, and it won't change much. You are basically at their mercy everytime you encounter one, and don't forget it.

 

[Art Eatman]

Drifting, drifting, drifted...

Art