What grip and stance do you use?

[Shawn Dodson]

I shoot my gun sideways, left handed on a pogo stick with an eye patch. Don't you?

A good shooting coach can help with getting the timing just right but, believe it or not, an eye patch over each eye doesn't seem to affect accuracy at all.

 

[David E]

I shoot my gun sideways, left handed on a pogo stick with an eye patch. Don't you?

And it works equally well in a variety of situations, even when:

(there is) Unstable ground (slippery mud, loose gravel, snow, ice), uneven ground (embankment, gully, hillside, steps), using one hand to hold onto something to maintain balance on unstable/uneven ground, reverse footing, knocked onto one's @ss, physical struggle on feet, ground struggle, sitting at a table/booth, sitting in a vehicle

Well, ok, maybe not so much with the sitting in a vehicle part....but everything else!

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Well, ok, maybe not so much with the sitting in a vehicle part....but everything else!

The city I patrolled alternated between having the highest violent crime rate in the state or having one of the highest violent crime rates. While working patrol and K9 I regularly encountered violent gangs and violent drug dealers under these kinds of conditions.

As a private citizen I can encounter these kinds of conditions during something as simple as being stopped at the side of the road because of a flat tire or other breakdown and a violent criminal(s) sees an opportunity to rob me or assault me and my wife.

 

[David E]

As a private citizen I can encounter these kinds of conditions during something as simple as being stopped at the side of the road because of a flat tire or other breakdown and a violent criminal(s) sees an opportunity to rob me or assault me and my wife.

That's why you should keep your tactical pogo-stick handy at all times!

 

[yeti]

That's why you should keep your tactical pogo-stick handy at all times!

If you also have an assault parrot and a high cap peg leg, your stance and grip will not matter at all, matey. AAAaaaaaaarg!

 

[Shawn Dodson]

It begs the question - which tactical pogo stick is best?

 

[yeti]

It begs the question - which tactical pogo stick is best?

HundK G84 Official GSG9 Tactical Pogo Rocket Stick.

 

[carbuncle]

I primarily use and train with the Weaver Stance because it's most comfortable for me, however I've been adding Isosceles into the mix to broaden my horizons and my pallet of shooting styles. I also practice one-handed shooting, weak and strong hand, with a few different stances.

 

[Deanimator]

Mostly one hand bullseye. Modified Chapman on those rare occasions when I shoot two handed.

 

[Dion]

I also like the Weaver stance. The sole reason behind my gun ownership is tactical/SD. I'm not a superior shot like the competition guys, so I like the idea of being able to transition (like in martial arts) quickly in a Weaver stance, forward or backward or side-to-side. Plus, I think the body sillouhette is slimmer when you are in a Weaver stance, in the event the offender has a weapon and is shooting back - it's a smaller target than being squared up.

But, I'm sure someone like Todd Jarrett would put down the offender in his stance faster than I could even get my act together in a SD situation!

In the end, it's what I am comfortable with and how I always shoot, even when I was a kid with a BB gun.

 

[dovedescending]

Whichever stance it is that Chris and Travis teach over at Magpul. That's what I use. And it seems to be working pretty well so far.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

Deaf[/QUOTE]
If it's a emergency where speed is the most important thing then I shoot from the hip one handed. I practice this alot with my laser Glock, .22 AACK unit on Glock 26, and full power ammo.



Gee Deaf--I sure hope you aren't turning into a closet point shooter in your old age....
Anyway, at the range when using two handed aimed fire my feet are MI but my arms are modified weaver.
With both elbows well bent.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I feel most comfortable with a "Weaver Stance," a "thumbs down" grip and try to take a sight picture whenever possible. But in a real gunfight, I don't think taking a perfect stance and grip is always possible, and I also believe you should train in "alternative sighting techniques" as well. (Get a copy of Jim Cirillo's Guns, Bullets and Gunfights and read this chapter.)

Interestingly, Jack Weaver himself actually had an article published in Handguns magazine, c. late 1990s. In it, he said (paraphrasing), "I don't understand what all the fuss is about. All I did was hold the gun in both hands and use the sights."

 

[Ramman911]

I tell ya this was kind of weird. For years I used the weaver (still do mostly) with a nice 2 hand grip on the gun. I was having a tough time grouping with any form of consistency.

I then went to a 1 hand stance (turning 90 degrees to the left and then holding gun out towards the target to my right). I was shooting with the weaver stance about 5-6 bulls-eye ring out of a 15 round mag. But using my one handed stance I was popping in 12-13 bulls-eye shots out or a 15 round mag. I tested it out with both slow shoot and rapid fire. It was SO SO SO SO SO much better with one handed grip.

It just shocked me because I was always taught the 2 handed grip and square off on the target both as a child growing up and during my years in the military all the way up to retirement.

Old dogs can learn new tricks it seems (well, middle aged dogs).

 

[JohnBiltz]

I always shot an isosceles in some form, despite the fact I just found out I did not even know how to spell it. Weaver just never worked for my frame. I fairly recently changed my grip from what was basically a revolver grip which is what I started out shooting to a thumbs forward. The one in video that keeps showing up. I'm not a better shot for it in term of accuracy yet. But I am understanding the mechanics of what I'm doing better and I am faster with follow ups. Some of that of course comes down to dry firing.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Gee Deaf--I sure hope you aren't turning into a closet point shooter in your old age....
Anyway, at the range when using two handed aimed fire my feet are MI but my arms are modified weaver.
With both elbows well bent.

Matt,

Hip shooting is so FUN I can't resist doing it every time I shoot. And that laser Glock I made, the one shown below, just reinforces the habits.

What is more Jeff Cooper himself said if you can't see the sights, bring the gun up just as if you could see the sights and fire, and that it not all that different from Applegate. Applegate just did the reverse and concentrated on looking at the target, Cooper concentrated on looking at the sights, but both memorized the grip and 'stance' well enough to work either way.

My ‘argument’ was for basic one could strip away everything but a form of retention fire and a form of sighted fire. Then, as Cooper said, ‘if you can’t see the sights, bring the gun up as if you could see them.’

Deaf

 

[Matthew Temkin]

Yes Deaf, I must admit that you have been consistent over the years.
You had me worried there a bit but now I feel much better.
Thanks for the peace of mind.