What gun/caliber was used to kill President Kennedy?

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It honestly looked like the back of his head exploded,which means that the shot had to come from the front (grassy knoll). Right?, or was I just imagining things?. I know from many years of shooting at various objects that the entrance hole is small round and clean while the exit hole is bigger and opened up.
I kinda agree with this. I have shot dozens of Big game animals from many different distances and undoubtly thousands of small game critters, most with a 22 but plenty with a centerfire rifle. I have yet to have pieces of the creature whatever it was, blow back toward me that I can remember. If you watch the video in Slow motion a portion the back of the mans scull/hair went toward the back seat.
Anything is possible I guess, and I tend to adhere to the old adage of not believing anything you hear, and only half of what you see, but I have not seen bullets do that.

I also remember hearing back then that the bullet had entered the rear, followed the scull around and exited to the rear. I have not seen that either, not with bone and a centerfire bullet for sure.
 
I'm going to say that I lean towards believing that Oswald was the shooter. He (IIRC) bounced one off of the concrete, then hit Kennedy and Connelly in the back, and then got lucky with the head-shot. As for JFK's head jerking backwards, prairie dogs can jump into the air from convulsions due to getting hit in the brain, as I understand, so I'd say that something similar could have happened with Kennedy's neck convulsing. The Zapruder film is so grainy and shakey anyway for me see anything I could undoubtedly say was JFK-brain getting blown backwards--in this one (at the very end, 1:12 to 1:14), it looks like the front right side of his head explodes as if from an exit wound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc
Guh, that video really is pretty horrible.
 
The video is pretty strange... to me anyway, maybe it's because I've never shot at anything other than a paper target but try explain it to me.

From what I've read if you shoot something with a hollow point it will make a bullet sized entry wound then make a much bigger exit wound. I'm assuming this is what happened to JFK, the video shows the front of his head blowing out so the shot came from behind? But how did brain matter get on the trunk of the car?

I saw a video on youtube where they first aired the Zapruder footage in 1975. The guys commenting the video said the shot had to come from the front because JFK's head jerked backward. But why was the entry wound so big at the front of his head?
 
As a carcano owner I think its entirely possible that oswald was the shooter. The rifle is much maligned, often by people who have never actually held one let alone shoot it. Its no national match 1903, but than again at half a football field away with a scope you don't need a match rifle either. Further, a properly trained rifleman can easily work the bolt fast enough.
 
Further, a properly trained rifleman can easily work the bolt fast enough.
A left handed rifleman can work that bolt at least twice as fast yet as long as the rifle is resting on something. LHO was said to be left handed.

I'm 100% convinced that LHO did the deed. I recently seen a computer simultaion done by experts who do simulated computer reinactments of automobile and industrial accidents. Using the Zabruder film alone, they were able to determine that the angles of the shots were dead on correct for the agle of the wounds and bullet holes traced back to the window LHO shot out of.
 
The physicist Luis Alvarez demonstrated long ago that shooting an object can make it move in the direction the shot came from. He used melons wrapped in tape to simulate a head. Apparently the ejection of the contents (melon pulp or brain tissue) in the direction of the shot causes the outer portion to recoil towards the shot. At any rate, the muscular response to a severe head injury is far out of proportion to the effect of the bullet. Watch R Lee Ermey shoot some melons on Mail Call. Stuff sprays out of them, but they don't go anywhere.

There was a show on a year or two ago where they built two torsos of ballistic gelatin, complete with human bones, placed them at the proper range and in the proper positions, and fired a shot from a Carcano, using ammo from the same lot of surplus Western that Oswald used. Interestingly, the ammo was apparently manufactured by Western for the CIA for use in the Bay of Pigs invasion.

At any rate, the shot penetrated the upper back/neck of the Kennedy torso, tumbled and struck the back of the Connelly torso going sideways, exited and went through the wrist model, hit the thigh model and bounced off. Other than the lack of penetration into the thigh, it was a perfect match for the Kennedy magic bullet shot. The spent bullet even looked almost identical to the JFK bullet. They found later that their shot had hit ribs on both sides of the Connelly torso instead of only one side in the historical shot, which they thought was why it didn't penetrate slightly into the thigh as the actual shot did.
 
Guh, that video really is pretty horrible.
Graphic and grim footage to be sure.

6.5 Carcano is definitely nothing to sneeze at!:what:
 
At any rate, the muscular response to a severe head injury is far out of proportion to the effect of the bullet. Watch R Lee Ermey shoot some melons on Mail Call. Stuff sprays out of them, but they don't go
Ever finish off a wounder deer at 50 yards or less with a 30 caliber centerfire? Believe me the head doesn't just stay there no matter what a taped watermelon does. It can be flung violently in the opposite direction of the shot taken, with tissue flying. Gelatin and melons are not flesh and blood, I have shot both, it ain't the same scientific or not. But then if you try hard enough and your expert enough you can just about get what ever desired result you want. All I know is what a real head will do with in real situations, or a few I have witnessed.
 
Woody Harrlesons father, in prison for a contract killing of a judge, told a cellmate taped that he was the shooter on the grassy knoll with a model 70 in .270 Winchester.
 
You guys are all wrong. Oh, sure they framed Oswald with a Carcano, but everybody knows that Kennedy was actually killed with a Model 1860 rifled musket; after all, numerous eye witnesses saw gunsmoke from the grassy knoll.
Mauserguy
 
that guy that drove oswald to work that morning asked what was in the package,lee said "curtain rods" ?! you can see lee thinking "curtains for kennedy ,alright". and the police asked marina if lee had a rifle and when she picked up the blanket,it draped across her arms. she puy 2+2 together then i am sure. if there were a conspiracy,[big if] it involved the cover up of the secret service man getting tangled up with his new-fangled ar-15 in the caddy trailing.
 
You guys are all wrong. Oh, sure they framed Oswald with a Carcano, but everybody knows that Kennedy was actually killed with a Model 1860 rifled musket; after all, numerous eye witnesses saw gunsmoke from the grassy knoll.
Mauserguy
That is a common mistake made by amateurs of the assassination. It has been proven that Rosie O'Donnel was on the grassy knoll, wearing panty hose. She broke wind, it blew her shoes off, and one hit JFK in the head, killing him.
 
GUNNY1022 - "Woody Harrlesons father, in prison for a contract killing of a judge, told a cellmate taped that he was the shooter on the grassy knoll with a model 70 in .270 Winchester."

Gunny1022, I wouldn't put too much stock in ANYTHING a jailhouse "confessor" says, if I were you. Especially a nutcase like Harrelson's pa. :eek:

L.W.
 
One of the things I semi distinctly remember as a kid was a television special about the assassination. I might been seven. They set up a tower at the proper height and drove a car in the same path and speed as Kennedy's limo at the same range. i.e. they simulated the shot exactly. Shooter with same rifle and same ammo popped the head off the mannequin no problem.
 
I think the main problem we had was the way the feds screwed up everything that happened after the shooting. If they hadn't changed the body bag and ambulance he was in half way through the trip. If they hadn't ignored all the world leading autopsy and firearms experts and had a couple of locals with little experience do the investigation and kept everything so hush hush. If they hadn't taken away video footage of the people in the area and then claimed it was lost somehow etc, we wouldn't be having this argument today.

The same thing happens today alot too. They try covering a story over every event and it just makes them seem untrustworthy when the truth comes out and ask why they felt the need to cover up such obvious events if there wasn't something behind it all.
 
They had a carcano at the San Bernardino, CA turners a year or two ago that had been bubba'd into a Lee Harvey Oswald recreation, same odd scope needed to load the clip. I handled it, worked the bolt and almost bought it-didn't due to a lack of ammo avaliability. But I also saw the film, and own it, that has the computer simulation of the shots. It was easily done, and it wouldn't take a good shot to do it. And Oswald didn't do a very good job of shooting IMHO, but he did get the job done. So I have to agree that he did it with a nice little mil-surp carcano that he bought from a catalog and had delivered to his house.
 
fairly smooth bolt (think mauser, not mosin), shouldn't bounce much when it's being rested on a window sill. No need to maintain visual through scope while working bolt, just means you need a little longer to re-aim. Very do-able technically. I bet Oswald had adrenaline flowing like crazy. If someone wants to buy me a Carcano with scope, a R/C car, some ammo and a cardboard target. I'd be willing, for scientific purposes, make a video of a live fire test. Anyone curious enough? If you want less authentic I'll try with a scoped mauser, but I still need an r/c car that can travel at parade speed.

This would only be for scientific curiosity
 
interesting complete story on jfk assassination @ google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=bush+jfk++assassination
Alex Jones-Bush JfK connection video title. See the actual FBI Hoover paper naming Bush as the head of the assassination. Also same crew does a nice job on Jfk Jr.s assassination @ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-342185930070503560&q=bush+jfk++assassination
Bobby was shot by an 8 shot revolver by Sirhan (who was 1-3ft away) but the fatal shot was delivered to the back of the head (less than 3") as LA coroner testified to.
 
maybe off topic... dorothy killgallen interviewed jack ruby while he was in jail. she went back to new york for Whats My Line? and died that same night. Bennett Cerf was the head of random house,and John Charles Daly was Earl Warrens son-in-law. surely they would have talked about any revelations if she had any to relate.
 
I too saw the hour-long History Channel special that Jubjub saw, and I gotta say, it was pretty convincing in its arguments to the effect that Oswald was the shooter.
 
I owned a Carcano. To make the shots at the modest distances involved would be easy. The 6.5 Carcano has mild recoil and the rifles aren't all the POS conspiracy nuts make them out to be. The particular specimen I owned was the equal of any pre-war or early war military Mauser in its workmanship.
 
The invisible gunman on the grassy knoll used an invisible rifle with invisible ammunition made by the Invisible Corporation.
 
Just my 2c but here's my observation.

Years ago, while in Dallas, and killing time since my wife was in a Medical convention I went to the Depository and spent almost an hour just sitting looking out the window. It was mid week and there wasn't much in the way of tourist activity. I don't know if it is still open to the public today, but I could stand in exactly LHO's position. After thinking and watching IMHO he didn't act alone. Oh, I think he took some shots, but if you stand there and your gonna shoot anything, a deer, a melon, a head in a car, you don't take the shot at the most impossible angle. Looking down as the motorcade approached, the easiest least motion shot is as the car makes the turn. From the window looking down that's where anyone with two brain cells first pulls the trigger. If you've ever shot at rabbits out in a field, you don't try and plink him on the run(in a scope its hard to even track a moving target), you wait for him to stop and pop his head up. Maybe LHO froze at that "Best shot moment" or maybe he was told what spot to start shooting! There are just too many Funnies for me to believe the Single shooter theory, especially after sitting there and just watching. It was a very sobering experience.

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