What happened to the .357max?
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Brian Williams
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Nope not a suppressed revolver but a very workable change barrel system for revolvers
CoRoMo
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Not so cheap IMO...
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83660713
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83916915
My dad's been bidding on these, but they are turning out to be pricey.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83660713
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83916915
My dad's been bidding on these, but they are turning out to be pricey.
351 WINCHESTER
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It became the .351 winchester slr with a little trimming. Thanks remington.
Peter M. Eick
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What happened? Not much other then I bought one and then all of a sudden I saw a lot more of them being sold and used.
Seems like it is making a comeback here lately.
I am taking mine deer hunting in a few weeks out in west texas. I figure between it and the 25-06 I have both ends of the ranges covered and it will be a reasonable fight for the deer when shooting from a blind.
Seems like it is making a comeback here lately.
I am taking mine deer hunting in a few weeks out in west texas. I figure between it and the 25-06 I have both ends of the ranges covered and it will be a reasonable fight for the deer when shooting from a blind.
You can usually get a Dan Wesson cheaper than a Ruger.
LOL, it's been over six months, so time for this thread to get another jump start.
Loaded .357 Maximum ammo is available at www.reedsammo.com The Maximum is making a comeback thanks to folks like Mike Bellm who chamber Contender barrels the right way for it. www.bellmtcs.com
S&W making the X-frame in Maximum? Don't count on it. Some of us remember how S&W made fun of both Ruger and Dan Wesson for making extended cylinder revolvers plus they were one of the first to point to the Maximum's "destructiveness" as a reason not to consider enlarging their N-Frame. According to them (at the time) the .44 Magnum was the most powerful cartridge any reasonable handgun shooter could need.
Loaded .357 Maximum ammo is available at www.reedsammo.com The Maximum is making a comeback thanks to folks like Mike Bellm who chamber Contender barrels the right way for it. www.bellmtcs.com
S&W making the X-frame in Maximum? Don't count on it. Some of us remember how S&W made fun of both Ruger and Dan Wesson for making extended cylinder revolvers plus they were one of the first to point to the Maximum's "destructiveness" as a reason not to consider enlarging their N-Frame. According to them (at the time) the .44 Magnum was the most powerful cartridge any reasonable handgun shooter could need.
Okiecruffler
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Kinda funny, everytime I do something with my max this thread pops up again. Right now it's away from home getting a brake. I'll post a pic when she gets back home.
HOME DEPOT GEORGE
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ammobank.com has factory new 357max from PCI , I just shot some the other day with my supermag. Good ammo but a little pricey at 42.00 per box of 50.
Okiecruffler
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As promised, here she is all dressed up....
The brass brake is just for show, I've got a stainless for real work. She'll throw as many rounds as I care to shoot thru a ragged hole at 50yrds, so she'll be my walking deer pistol this year.
The brass brake is just for show, I've got a stainless for real work. She'll throw as many rounds as I care to shoot thru a ragged hole at 50yrds, so she'll be my walking deer pistol this year.
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how about the .40super?
How about the .40super? Triton designed the auto pistol load and to me, it looked like a real winner,
. The .40super had the power of a 10mm but worked like a .357sig, .
But, has many good ideas/concepts the .40super never had enough support in the US firearms/ammo market and went down the same path as the .400Corbon, 9x23mm, .41AE, etc.
Rusty
How about the .40super? Triton designed the auto pistol load and to me, it looked like a real winner,
. The .40super had the power of a 10mm but worked like a .357sig, .But, has many good ideas/concepts the .40super never had enough support in the US firearms/ammo market and went down the same path as the .400Corbon, 9x23mm, .41AE, etc.
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The .357 MAX is a pretty close cousin to the .30 carbine, isn't it? I think if most people want to move up to a more powerful cartridge, they go with .41 or .44 mag. And if they want a flatter shooting .357 Mag they would move up to .30 carbine in a pistol or an actual carbine.
I rarely hear about the .357 MAX.
I rarely hear about the .357 MAX.
Okiecruffler
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30 Carbine in a rifle length barrel might hit 2000fps with a 110 gr bullet, and I'm pretty sure you's have to be loading pretty hot to hit that. My max runs a 158gr bullet at the same velocity and I have the ability to load much heavier. My current favorite load is a 170gr Sierra HP at about 1750fps. That's a respectable load. And it shoots flatter than the 41 and 44. If I want flatter shooting than that I go with my 6tcu.
Okiecruffler
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You know, I almost bought a 41AE once for $200. But the guy let slip that you couldn't even find brass for it. Later I found out you could, but it was dear. Still wish I would have picked that one up.
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Matching pair of NIB Bren 10 10mm pistols from D&D..
Ah memories,. About 6yrs ago I saw a FFL dealer at a gun show that was selling a matched set of NIB(new in box) unfired Bren 10 10mm pistols from D&D with collector case for only; $800.00USD! If I had the bread I'd snag those 10mm pistols up.
Rusty
Ah memories,
. About 6yrs ago I saw a FFL dealer at a gun show that was selling a matched set of NIB(new in box) unfired Bren 10 10mm pistols from D&D with collector case for only; $800.00USD! If I had the bread I'd snag those 10mm pistols up. Rusty
The .357 Maximum is in no way related to the .30 Carbine. The Max shares all dimensions with the .38 Special/.357 Mag/.360 Dan Wesson except it's case length (1.605"). The .30 Carbine is a smaller diameter rimless semi-auto round with a 1.29" case length.
I don't recommend shooting shorter .38 Specials and .357 Magnums in the SuperMag because chamber fouling and erosion can cause the Maximum cases to stick and be difficult to extract. The distance from the case mouth to the chamber throat is far enough that bullet shaving can result from the bullet not entering the throat "square". The .360 Dan Wesson would be better, but there is no point since the .360 case is not just a Maximum case trimmed to 1.415". A Maximum case cut to 1.415" requires inside reaming to avoid bulging the brass when seating the bullet.
I don't recommend shooting shorter .38 Specials and .357 Magnums in the SuperMag because chamber fouling and erosion can cause the Maximum cases to stick and be difficult to extract. The distance from the case mouth to the chamber throat is far enough that bullet shaving can result from the bullet not entering the throat "square". The .360 Dan Wesson would be better, but there is no point since the .360 case is not just a Maximum case trimmed to 1.415". A Maximum case cut to 1.415" requires inside reaming to avoid bulging the brass when seating the bullet.
Okiecruffler
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Before I got this max I was using 360 DW in my 357mag Contender barrel. About the only thing good about how deep T/C cuts their chambers. Respectable cartridge that 360.
unspellable
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357 ???
I've seen no mention in this thread of the fact that we are really talking about two different cartridges. Elgin Gates first developed the 357 SuperMag as a wildcat. Ruger and remington decided to go commercial with it and as all too often happens when the biggies take a wildcat commercial they have to fix what ain't broke. Thus the 357 Maximum fiasco was born.
The 357 SuperMag was intended to take heavy for caliber bullets for the steel ram. Ruger did not want to make the frame window long enough to take the 35 SuperMag, instead opting for a shorter cartridge with a light bullet at hyper velocities. Gates told them it wouldn't work. Remington loaded it with a massive charge of slow ball powder and it ate forcing cones and top straps. Meanwhile, Dan Wesson chambered for the 357 SuperMag, (Not withstanding the barrel shroud being marked 357 Maximum.) the ram shooters loaded heavy bullets and were fat dumb and happy. I've never heard of a proper 357 SuperMag load eating up barrels in a revolver.
The 357 Maximum case length is 1.605, the 357 SuperMag case length is 1.610, not much difference. The main difference is in the OAL with the SuperMag allowing heavy bullets without seating them deep in the case. A proper 357 SuperMag load will NOT chamber in a Ruger.
I've seen no mention in this thread of the fact that we are really talking about two different cartridges. Elgin Gates first developed the 357 SuperMag as a wildcat. Ruger and remington decided to go commercial with it and as all too often happens when the biggies take a wildcat commercial they have to fix what ain't broke. Thus the 357 Maximum fiasco was born.
The 357 SuperMag was intended to take heavy for caliber bullets for the steel ram. Ruger did not want to make the frame window long enough to take the 35 SuperMag, instead opting for a shorter cartridge with a light bullet at hyper velocities. Gates told them it wouldn't work. Remington loaded it with a massive charge of slow ball powder and it ate forcing cones and top straps. Meanwhile, Dan Wesson chambered for the 357 SuperMag, (Not withstanding the barrel shroud being marked 357 Maximum.) the ram shooters loaded heavy bullets and were fat dumb and happy. I've never heard of a proper 357 SuperMag load eating up barrels in a revolver.
The 357 Maximum case length is 1.605, the 357 SuperMag case length is 1.610, not much difference. The main difference is in the OAL with the SuperMag allowing heavy bullets without seating them deep in the case. A proper 357 SuperMag load will NOT chamber in a Ruger.
I chambered a 10" T/C Contender barrel for .357 Max when it first came out. GREAT deer round.
I also have a.357 Herrett barrel, and a .35 Remington, and it's VERY hard to exceed the .357 Maximum's performance with either of these cartridges in a pistol-length barrel.
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I also have a.357 Herrett barrel, and a .35 Remington, and it's VERY hard to exceed the .357 Maximum's performance with either of these cartridges in a pistol-length barrel.
Okiecruffler
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Contender barrels are pretty easy to come by, thousands of mags have been rechambered. The chambers are cut so deep in most of the 10" bull barrels that it doesn't take much to max them. All of the custom makers still offer the max, as well as the TC custom shop. Finally gonna get mine out tomorrow to check out that new brake if the weather holds.
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