What happened to the Sphinx Pistol's popularity?

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The barrel is polygon rifling, the ergos are better, the sights are better, the trigger pull out of the box is cleaner, the overall quality of the materials and workmanship are superior. For me is simply a better all around gun and most important of all it shoots better in my hands.

These are all arguments I accept and I would also pay more if that was the conclusion I would come to.

The fact is that the reviews that I read comparing the guns did come to conclusion, basically, that the Sphinx is nicer - full stop. And that is what I wanted to point out as an answer to the question why is Sphinx failing as a manufacturer. The market is simply to niche for them to gain major success.
 
Snejdarek said:
The fact is that the reviews that I read comparing the guns did come to conclusion, basically, that the Sphinx is nicer - full stop. And that is what I wanted to point out as an answer to the question why is Sphinx failing as a manufacturer. The market is simply to niche for them to gain major success.

That WAS the case, but it may not be in the future. Kriss just has to get the word out.

FNH is having the same problem with their handguns. Their FNS and FNX lines are a good as anything out there, and priced very competitively -- but they're virtually unknown. The long guns are better known, and more widely used -- by civilians and militaries around the world. The ones sold here in the US. (to the government and public) are now made in the U.S. (in SC.)

In general terms, Sphinx models are priced right with many SIG models, and there's no question that I'd go with a Sphinx first.-- if only because of its lower bore axis and subtly better ergonomics. (And, yes, I've owned a number of very nice SIGs, ranging from P220 Match and Super Match [SA] models, to a P226 X-Five in .40.) I've also owned a P-210-6, but that's clearly a different category of weapon.

Sphinx had a long run in Switzerland. It's earliest predecessor was the AT-84 made by ITM in Solothurm (a true CZ clone, under license), through a number of models, all based on the Tanfoglio version of the CZ pattern; all of those companies had financial problems. Sphinx started to make their own changes so that while still basically CZ pattern guns, they are far from clones.

Producing the earlier guns required a lot of hand work to get to the level of refinement those companies wanted to offer. Why'd they fail? I don't think these firms were willing to cut the corners that would have kept them profitable. The Sphinx line was more popular in Europe than in the U.S. -- where it has remained almost unknown.

Since I had my first Sphinx 2000 (a compact police model, similar in size and function to the 75B Compact) the company had changed hands at least once, maybe twice. I've owned several of the older 2000 series Sphinx models, and now have a Sphinx SDP.

In terms of performance and in-hand feel, I don't really see much difference between the old and new Sphinx pistols. The older Sphinx models were beautiful guns; the ones I had all came with high-gloss stainless frames, that showed every bump and scratch. The marks were all superficial and you could polish them out, but they were almost as much trouble as a high-gloss blued gun to keep pristine. I don't miss the high-gloss stainless frame.

It was only with the latest versions that the manufacturer made the decision to modify the design so as not to require as much hand work in production I don't know if Kriss, the importer had a hand in that change, but as I understand it -- after the last financial failure of the firm -- Kriss is now handling production here in the U.S. It may take a while to get these guns known and into the pipeline.

I much prefer the Sphinx SDP to the older 2000 series guns -- as it is a much more practical gun as far as I'm concerned.

I was offered a chance to buy a 3000 series before Sphinx/Kriss put them on hold (or decided not to build them), but just didn't want to spend the money. Had I done it, I might now have a very valuable collectible -- or an expensive gun I could never sell if I had to. That said, I'm sure I would have a gun comparable to (or better than) the gorgeous X-Five SA I once owned.
 
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Trick question! It never had any popularity!

It did have some hype/positive reviews/interest. But actual popularity requires getting the product to market in real numbers.
 
The Sphinx line was never WIDELY popular, to be sure, but It was popular with those who knew about the guns, owned them, or had shot them. Partly because of their price and the fact that they were made in Switzerland, relatively few people knew about them. Sort of like a low-end Ferrari: people had heard about them, but never had a chance to drive one or even see one.
 
Sure! I almost made an analogy to exotic cars for just that reason. Many exotic cars are well-liked without being "popular." Not enough people can afford Lamborghinis for them to actually be popular!

It's worth noting, though, that the game-oriented CZ's and Tanfos are in a similar price range, and have far more popularity... because they do exist and can be purchased!
 
I was actually very interested in picking up a Sphinx SDP. However, being a lefty with large hands means I must at least dry fire a pistol a few times before making a decision. I finally found one in a local shop - it was VERY nicely finished, but one pull of the trigger in D/A mode and I lost all interest. Perhaps it was just that one example but the D/A pull was horrendous. Unable to find any other examples to try, I eventually wound up buying a CZ P-01 and have been very happy with it.
 
ATLDaVE said:
It's worth noting, though, that the game-oriented CZ's and Tanfos are in a similar price range, and have far more popularity... because they do exist and can be purchased!

True -- but that's really a DIFFERENT market with potential buyers looking for something different than the Sphinx models we've been discussing (except for the 3000 line we mentioned in passing). There were and are apparently more of the top-end Sphinx guns (3000 series) used in IPSC in Europe and these are VERY EXPENSIVE GUNS -- $3000 - $5000 are the $$ amounts I've heard. The CZ and Tanfoglio IPSC guns start around $1200+_ and go up, but I don't think they go as high as the Sphinx IPSC guns.
 
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blueskyjaunte said:
I was actually very interested in picking up a Sphinx SDP. However, being a lefty with large hands means I must at least dry fire a pistol a few times before making a decision. I finally found one in a local shop - it was VERY nicely finished, but one pull of the trigger in D/A mode and I lost all interest. Perhaps it was just that one example but the D/A pull was horrendous. Unable to find any other examples to try, I eventually wound up buying a CZ P-01 and have been very happy with it

Most folks find the heavy DA first trigger pull off-putting. (I've talked with KRISS about this and this was/is intentional -- as early models with very light triggers were getting even more negative feedback.) These guns use the standard CZ Compact hammer spring, so you can go to Wolff and greatly improve the trigger with one spring change. (The change is easy -- remove the grips using the provided tool, and turn one screw. The old spring slides out and the new goes in -- a lot simpler than changing the hammer spring in the CZ handguns.)

Wolff offers a kit of different weight springs, and that's would be a good thing to try. .(If you talk with Kriss, they'll suggest this option and tell you what most folks are happy with.) Many of the Sphinx users go to Cajun Gun Works and get David Milam's spring kit for the gun and they are even MORE happy. I did that (I don't remember how much it was, exactly, but that spring kit cost somewhere around $20 +/-). With those springs installed you've got a much lighter, very smooth first pull and marvelous SA trigger.

I picked up a Lionheart LH9 a while back, after having had several DaeWoo DP51s over the years. The LH9 is the DP-51 with some minor tweaks. Same problem -- very heavy DA trigger.. I'm experimenting with various hammer springs from S&Ws and CZs to find one that gets the DA and SA pull down where I want it.. I haven't spent much time on it, so it may be a while -- I have other toys to play with, too. :)
 
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