I hated this thread..I stopped reading after 7-8 post w/o notifying the mods..the same exact thread was goining on simultainiously (sp?) on another forum with the same results...sick and sad..I did not report it here , but was so fed up when I got to the other forum that I did report it and it was closed right away...but closing only stops that thread...doesnt cure ignorance or the hearts of those that feel like this is acceptable behavior. sad indeed.
What has happened to The High Road?
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I hated this thread..I stopped reading after 7-8 post w/o notifying the mods..the same exact thread was goining on simultainiously (sp?) on another forum with the same results...sick and sad..I did not report it here , but was so fed up when I got to the other forum that I did report it and it was closed right away...but closing only stops that thread...doesnt cure ignorance or the hearts of those that feel like this is acceptable behavior. sad indeed.
bogie
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Let's see...
Two 1911s, a Ruger P95DC, a Ruger Security Six, a Kel-Tec .380, and two twelve gauges.
Unloaded gun are called "clubs."
Haven't shot anyone yet. Don't really care to. It's messy and expensive.
When I travel, I take a pair of 1911s. My last trip, I refrained from shooting the college students who decided to have a party running up and down the hallway at 3:00 ayem, and I also refrained from shooting the cat that got into the hall, and commenced to yowling, at approximately 4:00 ayem. I wanted to, but since I'm mature and all that, I just threw an ice bucket of very cold water over it.
ArfinGreebly
Moderator Emeritus
Rapper Thread
Well, if the [thread=328825]Rapper Thread[/thread] bothered you, I might suggest you have a look at the [post=4061835]closing post[/post].
A little help, guys.
Well, if the [thread=328825]Rapper Thread[/thread] bothered you, I might suggest you have a look at the [post=4061835]closing post[/post].
A little help, guys.
TexasSkyhawk
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(The above is simply a convenient example--not directing anything at the member who offered it whatsoever.)
Hmmm. Sometimes the mirror can be a fickle thing.
Where some of us live, calling the cops means a car might or might not show up. Not "when" but "if." And for others, the wait time for a cop might be five, ten, fifteen or more minutes.
That's a long time to wait with a large, crazy man beating on your door and shouting crazy things and all you have is an unloaded Louisville slugger propped by the door.
Fact also is, our society as a whole is not getting any nicer, more polite or safer. Period.
That doesn't mean I advocate "shoot first, ask questions later." But it does mean that according to the way I and my wife live and run our property, the person mentioned above's liklihood of being there to collect for his daughter's Girl Scout cookies is very low.
So instead of certain folks here even CONSIDERING what the homeowner may be going through, has been through, has been affected by, etc, we instead get the dreaded Thought Police coming out and deciding what is right and what is wrong.
God help you if you disagree with or resist the Thought Police. Doing so categorizes you as a mentally and emotionally deranged psychopath who drinks blood for breakfast and picks his teeth with a .223 round.
I always thought part of the "high road" as it pertains to life was to give consideration to others and their viewpoints?
There is a fine line between wannabe warriors who fantasize about "busting a cap on some pukebag SOB" and decent people who will do what they need to do without regret and minimal remorse.
Ignore/report the trollish wannabe commandos. But not everyone communicates as well on the internet as they'd often like, so maybe some of you self-annointed officers in the Thought Police can dial it back a little also?
Course, that works both ways. The folks who are more willing to defend vigorously should respect those who would choose to employ more caution.
When you do that, you're on the High Road.
Jeff
All I can think of is, is it better to walk away and let what was once a great thing get ruined, or to stand up and help make it better?
We all have our failling moments when we are less than High Road. It seems to me what the OP and anyone who shares his views should do is:
1) Make an effort to improve yourself on THR, including once you realize something is off bounds, editing it out rather than forcing the mods to take action.
2) Help others improve the board through reporting bad posts, and then attempting to point out to the posters the issues in a polite manner.
We all have our failling moments when we are less than High Road. It seems to me what the OP and anyone who shares his views should do is:
1) Make an effort to improve yourself on THR, including once you realize something is off bounds, editing it out rather than forcing the mods to take action.
2) Help others improve the board through reporting bad posts, and then attempting to point out to the posters the issues in a polite manner.
What has happened? One very positive thing....the men on this forum, or at least the vast majority of them, are positive and appropriate about, and to, the women who post here.
You all should take a bow. Seriously. I've been on forums where I've been called hideous names and been hounded by guys who, when I had enough and left, beat their virtual chests and declaimed on how I just needed a thicker skin. Over the time I've been here I have seen a marked, and steady, improvement in discussions with/about women.
The number of "what gun for the wifey" threads has dropped dramatically, and when someone does post some variant of that question, YOU GUYS, not us women members, are quick to tell him "let her pick it out" and send the poster to www.corneredcat.com.
From where I sit, THR has gotten better, not worse, and it is the general population of this forum, not the mods or the owner, who are responsible.
Good job guys. Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Springmom
You all should take a bow. Seriously. I've been on forums where I've been called hideous names and been hounded by guys who, when I had enough and left, beat their virtual chests and declaimed on how I just needed a thicker skin. Over the time I've been here I have seen a marked, and steady, improvement in discussions with/about women.
The number of "what gun for the wifey" threads has dropped dramatically, and when someone does post some variant of that question, YOU GUYS, not us women members, are quick to tell him "let her pick it out" and send the poster to www.corneredcat.com.
From where I sit, THR has gotten better, not worse, and it is the general population of this forum, not the mods or the owner, who are responsible.
Good job guys. Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Springmom
joab
Member
Moderator participation at least implies moderator approval
At the very least it shows that staff was aware of the thread a full 37 post before action was taken
bogie
Member
Uh... Springmom, I think that stat was sorta skewed by the number of guys who are living in their folks' basements while they play computer games, and post about "My parents are anti because they won't let me buy a machine gun. And I think they're still angry about the paintball splats all over the garage door."
Old Dog
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ArfinGreebly, I confess I was one who read through the "dead rapper" thread as it developed and did NOT hit the "notify a mod" button ... I was: (1) so incredulous at some of the remarks that it was almost like watching a train wreck -- I actually waited to see how many more stupid comments would come out; and (2) frankly, curious to see how long the thread would last ...
I tend to agree with the OP. It's not simply the juvenile attempts at witticisms, either. Another post in the past couple of days was one of those "What .45 should I get?" threads where again, someone states, "If I have to put a BG down, I want the biggest hole," etc., ad nauseum ... Do we really need to even say this?
I now strive mightily to avoid threads where the words "sheep" (when not used in reference to livestock) and "sheeple" (so tired, so overused and misused) are constantly thrown out there. Also getting old: "BG" and "SHTF." I'm concerned about how we -- gun-owners -- look to anyone who may stumble across this forum in the quest for information, knowledge, education or simply out of curiousity. Let's quit being our own worst enemy by speaking so condescendingly about those who do not yet (or choose not to) arm themselves or learn about RKBA. Scorn is not how our movement will encourage newcomers.
I'm almost as sick of the "What gun should I choose?" or "____ vs. ____" threads as I am the social commentaries ... For pete's sake, folks, can't you get a good feel for a firearm you might want to try/buy from threads about the individual guns rather than asking the membership to choose for you? As sm notes, it seems too many of the younger generation need to be spoon-fed information, incapable of doing research or even a simple web search ...
I tend to agree with the OP. It's not simply the juvenile attempts at witticisms, either. Another post in the past couple of days was one of those "What .45 should I get?" threads where again, someone states, "If I have to put a BG down, I want the biggest hole," etc., ad nauseum ... Do we really need to even say this?
I now strive mightily to avoid threads where the words "sheep" (when not used in reference to livestock) and "sheeple" (so tired, so overused and misused) are constantly thrown out there. Also getting old: "BG" and "SHTF." I'm concerned about how we -- gun-owners -- look to anyone who may stumble across this forum in the quest for information, knowledge, education or simply out of curiousity. Let's quit being our own worst enemy by speaking so condescendingly about those who do not yet (or choose not to) arm themselves or learn about RKBA. Scorn is not how our movement will encourage newcomers.
I'm almost as sick of the "What gun should I choose?" or "____ vs. ____" threads as I am the social commentaries ... For pete's sake, folks, can't you get a good feel for a firearm you might want to try/buy from threads about the individual guns rather than asking the membership to choose for you? As sm notes, it seems too many of the younger generation need to be spoon-fed information, incapable of doing research or even a simple web search ...
ArfinGreebly
Moderator Emeritus
And Your Point?
Look, I've had to come back and close threads where I said what I thought was something clever.
I don't suffer from infallibility.
The staff "organization" isn't some monolithic command pyramid. It's a loose collection of "volunteers" who live in different parts of the country, have not necessarily ever met each other, and who do not have a daily conference call to coordinate.
If I make a post that's out of line, I expect to be called on it (and judging from my PM inbox, that does in fact happen).
Of course, you can always pan the mods in public. But that's normally reserved for the Thursday mod bashing thread.
So, because one of the mods makes with a quip early in the thread, someone who's unhappy with the thread's direction should NOT notify the staff?
Look, I've had to come back and close threads where I said what I thought was something clever.
I don't suffer from infallibility.
The staff "organization" isn't some monolithic command pyramid. It's a loose collection of "volunteers" who live in different parts of the country, have not necessarily ever met each other, and who do not have a daily conference call to coordinate.
If I make a post that's out of line, I expect to be called on it (and judging from my PM inbox, that does in fact happen).
Of course, you can always pan the mods in public. But that's normally reserved for the Thursday mod bashing thread.
Robert Hairless
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My mouse is configured to let me ignore anything I don't want to read.
When I encounter something unpromising or potentially too offensive for my sensibilities, I scroll past it.
If I find myself reading a message like that and I prefer not to continue, my mouse lets me escape.
My mouse is trained not to read threads that begin "I feel like ranting..." and wind up bashing moderators or other people. Sometimes the training fails. No cheese for this mouse tonight.
When I encounter something unpromising or potentially too offensive for my sensibilities, I scroll past it.
If I find myself reading a message like that and I prefer not to continue, my mouse lets me escape.
My mouse is trained not to read threads that begin "I feel like ranting..." and wind up bashing moderators or other people. Sometimes the training fails. No cheese for this mouse tonight.
That one hit the nail on the head.
Every time one of the old timers says; "I don't like what THR is becoming" and walks away, it becomes just a little bit more what the member feared.
If all the valuable members, new and old, try to make this a better place, it will be a better place.
If you see something that is not the high road, hit the post report button, or PM a mod. I assure you, we don't and can't see them all.
kungfuhippie
Member
Yeah, the "rapper killed" thread is a great example of what I was talking about. And the point made at the end by ArfinGreebly is dead on. I don't care how educated we are or aren't. Even uneducated folks use manners and common sense in posts (I'm proof). I guess we need to start hitting the red triangle more often. Springmom's right the attitude about women here has improved greatly. I wish I had been to corneredcat sooner (that 2 years ago) it would have helped me greatly in the dating arena. Thanks for helping me feel better about what I consider the best gun forum online.
Apple a Day
Member
We gotta wait 'till THURSDAY?!
Sorry, kidding.
I have to admit that I'm guilty of being lazy and "figuring someone else will probably...". I haven't wanted to be a nuissance/tattletale. No more excuses, though. Arfin has stated that he and the other mod's would like for people to help notify of inappropriate threads so I'll pitch in where I see what I consider a problem. From there it will be up to them to act on it.
Everybody spread love
Big45
member
I think what joab is trying to point out is the fact that a Moderator took part in a low road convo with a not so high road comment. Right or wrong it helps perpetuate a norm: If it's ok for him (Mod) it's ok for me.
Truth hurts.
RTFM
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You know, kungfuhippie said what I've been thinking to myself for months now, and not three replies later xxx strengthens kungfuhippie post.
Truly people, if you don't have anything POSITAVE to add to the post - DON'T REPLY!
We don't need smart ass answers.
It's replies like the one from xxx that make me come to THR less and less.
EDIT
Too strong of a reply on my part - edited names, to keep it civil. THR is most certainly dropping in user quality.
Truly people, if you don't have anything POSITAVE to add to the post - DON'T REPLY!
We don't need smart ass answers.
It's replies like the one from xxx that make me come to THR less and less.
EDIT
Too strong of a reply on my part - edited names, to keep it civil. THR is most certainly dropping in user quality.
joab
Member
I thought my point was incredibly clear
Moderator participation at least implies moderator approval. I just don't know how to make it any clearer than that
OK I see that Big 45 was able to make it clearer
The other point was to point out that your blaming the members for not reporting this thread was not entirely appropriate because it is obvious that staff was aware of the thread (in total contradiction to your point that no one made staff aware of the thread) and that perhaps your finger should being pointing elsewhere when looking for scapegoats for the moderator failure in that particular thread
That not entirely true
If you do you will likely end up with a box full of PMs or the thread will be closed without comment when one mod or another decides that the thread is about him and only him
Here I am again being the lone positive voice, it is so unlike me. Aren't you supposed to get more cynical as time goes by?
We have had a sudden influx of new members, it will take a little time for them to acclimate. I remember it took me a few weeks and a couple of warnings to get used to the no cussing rule. IRL, I cuss like you wouldn't believe. Because of this, I thought THR was a board full of old farts with delicate sensibilities. It took some time before I realized that the rules actually do help keep noise to a minimum.
I have plenty of other places on the web where I can cuss and act like a fool, and so do you. One of the many things that make THR stand apart are these rules, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
We have had a sudden influx of new members, it will take a little time for them to acclimate. I remember it took me a few weeks and a couple of warnings to get used to the no cussing rule. IRL, I cuss like you wouldn't believe. Because of this, I thought THR was a board full of old farts with delicate sensibilities. It took some time before I realized that the rules actually do help keep noise to a minimum.
I have plenty of other places on the web where I can cuss and act like a fool, and so do you. One of the many things that make THR stand apart are these rules, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
mainebear
Member
It's always easy to "Monday Morning Quarterback" something that a Moderator does.
Nobody's perfect. In my opinion this is about the cleanest forum of its type. I am proud to be a member here. That being said, I am also one of those who fails to "hit the button". We should certainly not entertain those who construct trollish posts, or any other offensive behavior.
I, and I hope others as well, will from this day forward try to be just a little more protective of our internet community here. If we react to churlish behavior as a group they will go elsewhere.
Nobody's perfect. In my opinion this is about the cleanest forum of its type. I am proud to be a member here. That being said, I am also one of those who fails to "hit the button". We should certainly not entertain those who construct trollish posts, or any other offensive behavior.
I, and I hope others as well, will from this day forward try to be just a little more protective of our internet community here. If we react to churlish behavior as a group they will go elsewhere.
ArfinGreebly
Moderator Emeritus
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I didn't know about the thread until I decided to look in and see what the title was about.
What you seem to believe is that I'll automatically endorse something someone else does because I "wear the badge." Well, no.
Is it truth to take isolated incidents and try to stretch them into a generalization of hypocrisy?
To what end? To take the mods down a peg? And what does that serve? To "establish" that mods are wrong as often as they're right, so there's no point in complying with their wishes?
Tell you what. On the day that Oleg -- whose house this is -- finds my work no longer acceptable or up to the standards of The High Road's mission, I will resign my commission as a moderator.
In the meantime, I'll do the best job I can, whether I receive respect and kudos, or jibes and brickbats.
Arguing with the membership is not one of my duties.
If you can read what I've written and understand what it means, and if you agree with that message, then I'm pleased. If you can't understand it or if you disagree with it then that, really, is beyond my control, though I will strive to get better at articulating what I need to say.
Besides, it's not Thursday yet.
Well . . .
Joab, my name isn't "staff."
I didn't know about the thread until I decided to look in and see what the title was about.
What you seem to believe is that I'll automatically endorse something someone else does because I "wear the badge." Well, no.
Does it?
Is it truth to take isolated incidents and try to stretch them into a generalization of hypocrisy?
To what end? To take the mods down a peg? And what does that serve? To "establish" that mods are wrong as often as they're right, so there's no point in complying with their wishes?
Tell you what. On the day that Oleg -- whose house this is -- finds my work no longer acceptable or up to the standards of The High Road's mission, I will resign my commission as a moderator.
In the meantime, I'll do the best job I can, whether I receive respect and kudos, or jibes and brickbats.
Arguing with the membership is not one of my duties.
If you can read what I've written and understand what it means, and if you agree with that message, then I'm pleased. If you can't understand it or if you disagree with it then that, really, is beyond my control, though I will strive to get better at articulating what I need to say.
Besides, it's not Thursday yet.
Harley Quinn
Member
I'll just mention, I did notify about the rapper thread, and it just kept going. I believe if a moderator is participating we all think hmmm, guess it is alright.
But it did get a little better, so I figured I'll just stay out of it.
When I noticed it was locked I responded again for the job was done.
Lots of post's here and because there is, it is a sign that "good location" and many are posting. I like the place, best one of the bunch I think. Best of any location that I go to, and I visit many. Don't always post, but do look. Not the same handle either
I'd just like to make it clear to others, this is a very good location. Thanks for the upkeep, it is a job well done.
Regards
But it did get a little better, so I figured I'll just stay out of it.
When I noticed it was locked I responded again for the job was done.
Lots of post's here and because there is, it is a sign that "good location" and many are posting. I like the place, best one of the bunch I think. Best of any location that I go to, and I visit many. Don't always post, but do look. Not the same handle either
I'd just like to make it clear to others, this is a very good location. Thanks for the upkeep, it is a job well done.
Regards
camslam
Member
I think this is much ado about very little or nothing. I think the Mods have done a great job and I have seen a few threads I wished they hadn't closed, but you can't win them all.
Can I suggest we all drink a big old glass of "calm down juice" or at a minimum take a deep breath. It seems after reading many of the posts in this thread, the direction some people would like to see is all of us holding hands and singing kum-buy-ya together.
I mean really; guns, gun issues, gun rights, gun encounters, and gun incidents usually invoke passion in people that cherish their firearms. Are some of the comments inappropriate or in bad taste, absolutely, but just like the people that complain about what is on tv, change the channel. There are numerous threads that I weed out by just reading the opening post or title. There are some that take reading a few posts in before I figure out I have better things to do than read them.
That being said, I have gained more valuable info, facts, and new thoughts on subjects on this forum than any other and that is why I keep coming back.
Let's all lighten up a bit and maybe toughen up our delicate sensibilities a hair, what do you think. Also for those that are posting crap, let's pick it up a little.
Can I suggest we all drink a big old glass of "calm down juice" or at a minimum take a deep breath. It seems after reading many of the posts in this thread, the direction some people would like to see is all of us holding hands and singing kum-buy-ya together.
I mean really; guns, gun issues, gun rights, gun encounters, and gun incidents usually invoke passion in people that cherish their firearms. Are some of the comments inappropriate or in bad taste, absolutely, but just like the people that complain about what is on tv, change the channel. There are numerous threads that I weed out by just reading the opening post or title. There are some that take reading a few posts in before I figure out I have better things to do than read them.
That being said, I have gained more valuable info, facts, and new thoughts on subjects on this forum than any other and that is why I keep coming back.
Let's all lighten up a bit and maybe toughen up our delicate sensibilities a hair, what do you think. Also for those that are posting crap, let's pick it up a little.
redneck2
Member
I think the other thing to consider...
mods here are unpaid volunteers that try to control members, which is sometimes akin to herding cats and unruly school children. They're not like cops on the street that are paid to do a job and have defined rules of conduct.
If they step on somebody, you'll see a post in the Technical Form about "why did my thread get closed?" Look at the time that it takes just to read and reply to various "stuff". All in all, I see a pretty good balance of moderation versus let-it-run.
I know from being here for a number of years that there's a lot of stuff being done that doesn't show up front.
mods here are unpaid volunteers that try to control members, which is sometimes akin to herding cats and unruly school children. They're not like cops on the street that are paid to do a job and have defined rules of conduct.
If they step on somebody, you'll see a post in the Technical Form about "why did my thread get closed?" Look at the time that it takes just to read and reply to various "stuff". All in all, I see a pretty good balance of moderation versus let-it-run.
I know from being here for a number of years that there's a lot of stuff being done that doesn't show up front.
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