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What I learned on "Northwoods Law"...

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Grumulkin, Jun 14, 2014.

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  1. Grumulkin

    Grumulkin Member

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    I learned something new from watching "Northwoods Law" today. One of the game wardens noted that an arrow speeds up after leaving the bow. That right folks; don't shoot your deer with an arrow at 10 yards because the arrow may not be going fast enough. You need to be a bit further away than that.
     
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    Newton would like to hear that theory expounded upon, I'm sure.

    At 1000 yards that arrow must really be moving. Warp speed IS possible after all.
     
  3. DT Guy

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    I do know that an arrow stabilizes after leaving the bow, although I'm not sure at what distance; could be he confused 'velocity' with 'stability.'


    Or he was in idiot; never discount the possibility....


    Larry
     
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    Well apparantly Newton never heard of the Northwood Law:rolleyes:
     
  5. rcmodel

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    I think what he was talking about is arrow flex / gyrations when it leaves the bow.
    It takes a ways for it to stabilize and fly right.

    Thats why the spine of the arrow must be matched to the bow weight & draw length.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TmtoEjjkgEA&feature=related

    But it most certainly cannot gain any speed without the bow sting still pushing it!
    It starts slowing down the instent the nock leaves the string.

    rc
     
  6. Slamfire

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    We all carry in our heads fallacious theories on how the world works, people are always trying to model the world to predict future events. We created these theories from various sources: things we experienced, things were told, ideas and experiences we cobbled together which formed a fallacious theory. These theories often contradict each other, but since we never seriously examine them , we don’t trip over those contradictions.

    I suspect this guy heard something, saw something, pieced the two together and came up with this idea. However, without an external force to continue accelerating the arrow, it is not going to go faster once it leaves the bow.
     
  7. Grumulkin

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    It was nothing about arrow flex, etc. A guy had shot a deer with a bow which then got away. The game warden was going to help recover it and asked how far away it was when he shot it. They guy said 10 yards. The game warden said that could be a problem as the arrow was "still accelerating" and might not be going fast enough to do the job.
     
  8. Bezoar

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    sorry, but for what the warden said, would require a breakthrough in phsyics that would allow for construction of warp drives and teleporters.

    anyway..... wardens arent exactly smart in all things. on one of those shows the warden said a taurus judge with .410 buckshot was the best round for grizzly bear stopping.
     
  9. gamestalker

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    That's not what my chrony is saying. I checked fps at just in front of the riser, at 5 yds, 10 yds., and at 40 yds.. Everything beyond the riser showed progressively lower velocities the further away it was.

    GS
     
  10. H&Hhunter

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    Maybe it was a two stage rocket booster powered arrow. When the boosters fire the arrow would accelerate. There are many misconceptions about bullets and arrows out there. One of the most common with bullets is that a bullet magically initially rises when shot from a gun. That's because you have your sights or scope set so that your gun is slightly elevated but I can assure that gravity/ drag is immediately affecting your bullet and arrow the instant it leaves your barrel or the nock. And gravity/drag do not accelerate or elevate a bullet or an arrow once it's free from its initial accelerant force.
     
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    "The problem isn't what people don't know. It's what they know that isn't so that's the problem." -- Will Rogers, 80-some years ago.
     
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    Too late. I've shot several deer @ 10 yards with a bow. Problem generally isn't arrow speed at that range but angle when one is hunting from a tree stand. Any one that has hunted with long bows and recurves, as opposed to today's compounds, knows that arrow speed is not as important as shot placement, nor is it as important as tracking/bloodtrailing skills. The "Northwoods" warden was just repeating some "Northwoods" lore.
     
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    I stopped learning stuff on TV when Mr.Wizard and Jack Horkheimer stopped being on the TV.

    Except a few things here and there that needed no explanation.
     
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    You're either a very confident shot with a bow or you have no respect for your chronograph. :D
     
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    I have done the same thing many times myself, and my results mirror gamestalker's findings.

    I am VERY confident when shooting at those bag targets and blocks, my issues usually begin when I have deer in front of me:uhoh:
     
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    Sorry, but "The Dukes of Hazard" proves arrows accelerate after leaving the bow and explode upon impact.
     
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    Must be true.... a game warden said so, on TV!
    The last buck I liver shot, at 8 yards, ran a 10 yard semicircle and died right there, must not have watched TV.
    STW
     
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    I don't know what "north woods law" is…but that statement is total garbage. Others have talked about the obvious things (like the laws of physics) that would prove it to be untrue so I'll relay some practical application stuff. I've shot LOTS of stuff at 10 yards with a bow…both targets and deer. At 10 yards that arrow will usually pass right through a deer and keep going another 20 yards or so before burying itself in the dirt (when hunting from the ground).

    When shooting targets, your arrows will be buried much deeper in them at 10 yards than at 40 yards. Simple stuff.
     
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  19. returningfire

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    Of course it is going faster than it is before it leaves the bow. That's psychics 99.
     
  20. H&Hhunter

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    That depends on how fast you were running when you let loose of your arrow. Haven't you ever watched the coyote and roadrunner show?;)
     
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