What is a 308 fal

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Incorporating a suitcase handle into the frame of the gun, placing the op-rod on top of the barrel, and that big cheap plastic buttstock make it one of the uggliest shoulder fired weapons ever devised by a human. Not pleasing to the eyes and hands like the more refined M1A. Reliable? It was replaced by the SA80. Come on. That Has to say something.

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Umm, your precious M14 was replaced in an even shorter time period by the M16, the first of which were at least the POS the first SA80s were, if not more so.

And most op-rods are on top of the barrel. It puts the barrel lower and more in line with the shoulder so recoil goes straight back instead of up.
 
Foxtrot...

DSA para lower/stock setup (very lightweight)
Barrel is 16.25 + 1.25 lightweight Enterprise muzzle brake.

Entire rifle weigh in about 7.5 to 8 pounds.

Also has a quick change barrel so I can convert it from a 16 inch 308 lightweight carbine to a 21 inch HB 308 "sniper platform" to a 16 inch 9mm Sten/FAL.

here is a pic of it in it's 9mm form.

FALSten.jpg
 
Also has a quick change barrel so I can convert it from a 16 inch 308 lightweight carbine to a 21 inch HB 308 "sniper platform" to a 16 inch 9mm Sten/FAL.

Meeper does some pretty cool work, doesn't he...:)
 
Incorporating a suitcase handle into the frame of the gun, placing the op-rod on top of the barrel, and that big cheap plastic buttstock make it one of the uggliest shoulder fired weapons ever devised by a human. Not pleasing to the eyes and hands like the more refined M1A. Reliable? It was replaced by the SA80. Come on. That Has to say something.

That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard (and nearly the poorest spelling and grammar). Obviously from one who has never experienced FAL joy. Probably ignored as a child and now seeks attention.:barf: :)
 
That's an awesome Sten/FAL. I assume the mag is the only Sten part?

Pretty much the mag is the only "sten part". Currently it sports a 14.5 9mm barrel with a 1.5 muzzle brake. Modified FAL bolt carrier and bolt and of course the mag adapter.

I've been thinking of having Meeper create me a 499 LW or 458 Socom FAL. :evil: :evil:
 
Reliable? It was replaced by the SA80. Come on. That Has to say something.
Yup. It says that in times of peace, with little pressure to choose good weaponry, procurement specialists (sic) the world over will make some pretty bone-headed decisions. ;)

Mike
 
That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard (and nearly the poorest spelling and grammar). Obviously from one who has never experienced FAL joy. Probably ignored as a child and now seeks attention.
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You gather all of this from a comment(with humorous intent) about a rifle?:confused:
I think one of us DOES have issues.
 
MTMilitiaman - Where did you get the handguards on the FAL?

Those are DSA Freefloats http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=US21FFSC&storeid=1&image=falff.gif

Some dremel to fit and a Versa-pod bipod gives me repeatable 4" groups at 100 yrds with iron sights. (no more vertical stringing, yay!). I also installed a VOW PARA rear windage adjustable sight and turned down the front sight by about half using a cordless drill and a file.

'nother pic:
DSASTG58A_1.jpg

It's not a light-weight carbine by any stretch, it's long and heavy. But I can shoot all afternoon without any appreciable change in POI or pain in the shoulder.

It's also no tack driver, but with decent milsurp (it prefers Aussie or Port) it can keep a 4" group at 100 yrds if I can. With the stock forend, when the barrel heated up, the groups would enlarge to about 6" X 8" in a vertical oval pattern.

I may have to pick up a PARA FAL one of these days for something more 'portable'...

-LeadPumper
 
No, 4MOA is not typical.

I usually can get 1-2.5MOA with a standard barrel and a 8 power scope.
 
MTMilitiaman - I wonder if 4 MOA is typical of FALs, cause I can do 4 MOA with my Rommie AK?

Depends, my FAL is the STG variant using a milsurp barrel and new DSA receiver shooting milsurp ammo with iron sights.

When I put a decent low power scope on the ARMS mount and used decent .308 ammo, my groups were maybe 2 -2.5" at 100 yrds.

But if I wanted pure accuracy, I'd just grabbed my Savage 10FP...

YMMV:evil:

-LeadPumper
 
4MOA is loose, from my (admittedly limited) experience. My STG-58 from DSA is sub 3MOA. However, there are a couple of things that can influence this:

1. Inherent mechanical accuracy of the gun. Unless you're really carefully resting the gun and being very very diligent with your shooting, you're measuring this along with shooter induced error (which is influenced heavily by #2 below).

2. less-than-ideal sights. The FAL's weakness is its iron sights. They're better than the AK's, but they're sure not superb. There are, however, options for improving them. I know one guy whose gun magically improved from a "5MOA POS" to a 3 MOA gun with the simple addition of a scope. :rolleyes:

3. Ammo. Try a few batches of different ammo, and pick the one it likes. Mine likes Hirtenburger (of course. It could not like CAVIM- that would be too easy.).

Most of the FALs I've seen have been about 2-3 MOA guns. That's certainly good enough for combat use, and in general better than most AKs. You can tweak them to make them shoot tighter, but you'd have a hard time making one into a match gun. That's just not what they're built to do. But you should be able to get better than 4MOA.

Mike
 
Believe it or not, guys, with iron sights from a steady bench using match ammo, my FAL (STG-58 on an Imbel receiver) makes groups from 1.5-2 inches all day long at 100 yards, using match ammo. I didn't realize that mine was unusual. I guess it is, by what I'm hearing. I think the fact that it has no flash suppressor on it helps.
 
Mine will do about 3" at 100 yards with Portugese or South African surplus. I can't say for other ammo types because those are the ones I shoot the most. It pops clay pigeons without any difficulty so I figure it is accurate enough for what I want it for.
I don't know if it is actually more accurate than the AK's I have owned but I do know that I can shoot it a whole lot better.
 
The fal is a 308 rifle that has cheap 20 round mags available. Like the ak you can install a folding stock on it and it seems easier to find a folding fal than a folding m1a for a decent price.

I believe there are options for improving the iron sites, I plan to just mount a 308 acog on mine simply because I want to do that for a while.

To truly enjoy someone seeing how reliable a fal is run a search about "ol dirty" and it most likely can be found here but it originated at fal files.
 
Quote" Yeah but can your ak do it with 20 rounds of 7.62x51 ammo a real battle rifle round" Now that was funny:D :D
 
Does anyone in the US have L1A1s for sale? Or were they somehow banned (despite being semiauto-only)? Seems like very few people have them, so I was kind of wondering.
 
HPD,

When you make funny comments about "other people's children" you need to be certain everyone knows you're joking first. I wasn't sure until I reread it and realized you were so over the top you had to be making a joke (and I'm fairly tolerant of noobs).

Now everyone play nice, HPD didn't mean anything mean by it.:rolleyes:

Owner of frankenfal, Rhodie, Izzy and Meeper 5.56 para fal
 
Does anyone in the US have L1A1s for sale? Or were they somehow banned (despite being semiauto-only)? Seems like very few people have them, so I was kind of wondering.

Real deal Commonwealth pattern guns were sear cut, so they are NOT semi-auto only. There are plenty of clones around, just not as many as the metric pattern. Had the Aussies not destroyed 25,000 of them not too long ago, they'd be that much more common... :(
 
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