What is intended use of PGO 14" 12 gauge?

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My first day ever at any range had me sandwiched between a guy shooting a Serbu Super shorty, and a gang-banger looking guy with a 44 magnum.
I thought, "I gotta find a range where normal people shoot."

However, the guy with the Serbu was having a blast. (pun) I'd never seen one, and he was smiling big time.

By the way, I never went back to that "urban" range.
 
Video link. That sorts of proves you wrong, no?

While the gentleman you were responding to may have somewhat overstated things, that video is one where they are shooting low brass target loads. High brass loads are truly a different experience.
 
If I were going to get a real small shotgun I would want it to be something like this:

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No loss of magazine capacity. One can still run 5-20 round magazines, with 8-10 rounders being the most practical in my experience.

Can fold the stock for a pretty trim package if desired. Even with the stock out it is relatively small

About 1000X more "usable" (getting on target quickly, follow up shots, accuracy, etc) with the stock deployed than a PGO shotgun.

Also since a lot of the attraction to PGO seems to be fun or cool factor it blows them away in that too.

The one drawback is it is not real cheap.

One thing I've never understood about the Serbu is why everyone is so excited about it being an AOW and requiring only a $5 tax stamp. I understand if do to local laws one could have an AOW but not an SBS but otherwise it is a lot cheaper to build a much more useful SBS including the $200 tax than to buy a Serbu and pay a $5 tax.

To answer the OP, yeah guns like that are door breachers for serious users, range toys for others, and a HD weapon for those who are either misinformed or what to handicap themselves. Their main practical use is as a door breacher, although the FBI HRT apparently has tastes closer to mine. Here is the breacher than Tromix built for them. (I believe it was not yet completed at the time these pics were taken).

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Ill put my shortened and PG'd Mossy up against anyones full stocked 28-30" bbl in a home defence situation. Let's see how well you get thru a door and turn down a hallway, and peak around a corner or cabinet. I can peak around a doorway or end of hallway and have full control of my SG and not uave it sticking out and giving me away. Can you do that with a full stock and barrel, or just have it pointing at your feet or up towards your face? Or do you just yell from the end of your hallway and try to rack ot really loudly to scare away the bad guy?
 
Also, I still don't get why they are called PGO's. They still have the forward grip. Or have I amd everyone else that uses a full sized SG with their non-trigger hand on the "forward grip" been doing it wrong for decades. It's still there.
I had no intention of not using tje fprward grip when I shortened my shotty.
 
While the gentleman you were responding to may have somewhat overstated things, that video is one where they are shooting low brass target loads. High brass loads are truly a different experience.
In that video, we were shooting Hornady 00 buck, if I'm recalling right. :)
 
Ill put my shortened and PG'd Mossy up against anyones full stocked 28-30" bbl in a home defence situation.

That my friend is what they call a false dichotomy. Put another way, one isn't left to chose between two weapons neither of which is ideal for the task. Who cares which is really better? Anyone serious about defensive shotgunning isn't going to pick either of those weapons. Its like betting that your Geo Metro is faster than a Ford KA or that your mini can tow more than a smart car.

I can peak around a doorway or end of hallway and have full control of my SG and not uave it sticking out and giving me away. Can you do that with a full stock and barrel, or just have it pointing at your feet or up towards your face? Or do you just yell from the end of your hallway and try to rack ot really loudly to scare away the bad guy?

I take it you have no training whatsoever in this type of thing.
 
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In that video, we were shooting Hornady 00 buck, if I'm recalling right.

I tried to pause it and look at the shells coming out that is what made me think they were low brass, that is what they looked like when I first saw it. I tried to watch it a again. I readily admit I'm not exactly looking at a high def video so I'm not surprised if I am in fact wrong.
 
I don't have a 14 inch barrel on either of my pg shotguns (ithica 37 and a moss 500) but I do have a 18.5 on both and I have no issues with either for hd role. As a civlian I have no need for breaching doors with a pistol grip only shotgun and with the navy we usually use a full stock mossberg 500 to breach in my personell weapons I use a number 4 buck which does help reduce the recoil imho and I would not hesistate to grap either of these weapons for a hd situation
 
Also, I still don't get why they are called PGO's. They still have the forward grip. Or have I amd everyone else that uses a full sized SG with their non-trigger hand on the "forward grip" been doing it wrong for decades. It's still there.
I had no intention of not using tje fprward grip when I shortened my shotty.

The term has nothing to do with the forward grip at all, nor how it is held when firing. It differentiates it from a pistol-gripped stock. I think we can agree that there is a difference between these two things:
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One is a full stock with a pistol grip. The other is...(wait for it)...a pistol grip only.
 
I tried to pause it and look at the shells coming out that is what made me think they were low brass, that is what they looked like when I first saw it. I tried to watch it a again. I readily admit I'm not exactly looking at a high def video so I'm not surprised if I am in fact wrong.
I asked a few friends and also the girl shooting. It seems we were indeed using a mix of Winchester and Hornady 00 buck. :)
 
I asked a few friends and also the girl shooting. It seems we were indeed using a mix of Winchester and Hornady 00 buck.

She's a trooper!
Pretty sure you'd remember if you had a mix of bird and buck....
 
I can see 2 uses for the PGO-stocked shotgun..

Extremely tight quarters..i.e. the guy in the back of the "armored car"

Door & Lock breaching.
 
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