What is law for non-PA resident to visit PA range with handgun?

[Tom488]

Sam, doesn't PA recognize Utah's LTC? That's probably a better route to go as it will allow you to carry in more states than a PA license will; doesn't require you have a license from the state where you reside; and can be obtained entirely by mail.

Not entirely... you're required to take a class taught by a certified Utah instructor.

And - Utah recently changed their law, such that if you reside in a state that has reciprocity with Utah, then you must have a permit from your home state before obtaining a Utah non-resident permit.

States that do not have reciprocity with Utah do not have this restriction.

 

[Steve in PA]

Just be aware, Bloomberg's little puppet, PA Atty General Kane is on a roll to re-write all the reciprocity agreements between PA and other states. PA will only recognize out-of state permits from those states if the people actually live in those states.

In other words, if you are from State A and have a non-resident license from State B, because State B has broader reciprocity, PA will not recognize it!

 

[Sam1911]

Just be aware, Bloomberg's little puppet, PA Atty General Kane is on a roll to re-write all the reciprocity agreements between PA and other states. PA will only recognize out-of state permits from those states if the people actually live in those states.

In other words, if you are from State A and have a non-resident license from State B, because State B has broader reciprocity, PA will not recognize it!

You know that only applies to four states, right? Not all. "Broader reciprocity" isn't the issue here really. Rather the state did not like that some PA residents would carry in PA on a FL non-resident permit without actually holding a PA resident LCTF. While I don't like any restrictions on carry at all, ever, I do understand the complaint.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

*Pennsylvania Honors Non-Resident Permits/Licenses From the States They Honor Except for Arizona, Florida, Maine and Virginia.

 

[BullfrogKen]

As I recall Delaware has a statute very much like what our newly-elected Attorney General wants to see enacted.

Delaware will not recognize an out-of-state license held by a Delaware resident as valid. Delaware residents must have a license/permit/whatever-they-call-it issued by Delaware.

Non-residents may have a permit/license Delaware recognizes regardless of their state of residence.

It's an attempt to make Delaware residents get a Delaware permit/license.


None of this would be an issue if Philadelphia Police Department would actually follow the law, and not hassle it's city residents when they try to go get their license.

Not entirely... you're required to take a class taught by a certified Utah instructor.

And - Utah recently changed their law, such that if you reside in a state that has reciprocity with Utah, then you must have a permit from your home state before obtaining a Utah non-resident permit.

Both are true.

Yes, an applicant is required to take the Utah class. One should have no problem finding one. I saw about a dozen Utah certified instructors in New Jersey. And about 2 1/2 times that in PA.
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/insoutstate032613.pdf

But everything from the pictures to the fingerprints can be mailed in to complete the application process.



Seeing as how Hell will freeze over before New Jersey recognizes anyone else's permit, I think you can safely say that getting a Utah permit will remain an option for a New Jersey resident until Utah decides to change it's policy.

 

[Tom488]

Yes, an applicant is required to take the Utah class. One should have no problem finding one. I saw about a dozen Utah certified instructors in New Jersey. And about 2 1/2 times that in PA.

Correct... I was just pointing out that, unlike states like FL or AZ, if one has the requisite training, then you CAN obtain said state's CCW entirely by mail. Utah doesn't care what prior training you have - you must take their class first.

Seeing as how Hell will freeze over before New Jersey recognizes anyone else's permit, I think you can safely say that getting a Utah permit will remain an option for a New Jersey resident until Utah decides to change it's policy.

Absolutely no argument there... our only chance here is a federal law change, at which time NJ will go down kicking and screaming.

 

[Steve in PA]

Four states now, but I will bet you dollars to donuts that she goes after any state that has reciprocity with PA and issues non-resident licenses to people who apply for them.

 

[Sam1911]

Four states now, but I will bet you dollars to donuts that she goes after any state that has reciprocity with PA and issues non-resident licenses to people who apply for them.

IF Pennsylvanians are able to obtain a non-resident license in that state without having the PA LCTF, AND then carry in PA on that other state's non-res. license, then yes I would agree.

But I don't know if any other states licensing system works that way.

This seems to be an effort to deal with a specific phenomenon, not just an across-the-board repeal of reciprocity.

 

[Steve in PA]

Kane started with Florida and will move quickly on to any other state that has a similar application process.

If Florida, or any other state that saw fit to issue a license to someone who applies and passes the application process, then that person/license should be accepted in PA.

 

[Sam1911]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree -- in fact, I think permits and licenses are absurd anyway.

However, what they're going after here isn't just any state with reciprocity, but rather the ability to handle licensing of this states own citizens by this state. In other words, if you live here and want to carry here, you should have a license from HERE, both as a way of preserving the revenue from such things within the state, and also to exercise what they'd see as "due" oversight over their own citizens' licenses

The "problem" as they see it, is that if your own state won't grant you a license for whatever reason (i.e. -- you don't meet the requirements to be granted a license in your home area) that you could obtain some other state's non-resident license and carry in your home state anyway. In essence thumbing your nose at your own state's rules, processes, procedures, and licensing bodies.

I certainly understand why they'd have a problem with that. Though, of course, I don't like the result.

 

[Steve in PA]

I agree.

But with a city like Philthy-delphia, that makes PA residents jump through obscene, and illegal hoops to get a LTCF and often rejects the application, again on an illegal basis, the people are left trying to get a non-resident license from another state, like FL.

Or nazi states, like NY or NJ who pretty much flatly refuse to issue a license to a resident, the hopes of them being able to carry in PA or other states is being wiped away by Kane!

 

[oneounceload]

If Florida, or any other state that saw fit to issue a license to someone who applies and passes the application process, then that person/license should be accepted in PA.

HUH? You mean a class by a certified instructor? I got my Fl by showing my expired NV license (showed I had taken the certified class), else you have to get the instruction - but if you can pass the local driver's test or high school civics - both as equally difficult - then you pass

 

[mrnic3guy1989]

new florence Pa

Just FYI the range I used to occupy in New Florence states that you have to have a valid hunting license or permit issued from the dept of fish and game. I Assume you have to even if your a visitor.

 

[Sam1911]

I'd imagine that's a Game Commission range? Yes, they do have that requirement.

 

[mrnic3guy1989]

yes Sam1911

That's right my friend from what I gather they were not getting enough income when they renovated some ranges due to low hunting license purchases. A lot of people use the range but few contribute through buying a hunting license.