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PA to stop honoring FL non-resident CCW? What's left for a Jersey Boy?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bushmaster1313, Feb 18, 2013.

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  1. bushmaster1313

    bushmaster1313 Member

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    It is now my understanding that Pennsylvania is no longer honoring Florida concealed carry permits issued to non-Florida residents, or will soon stop honoring.

    Also, Pennsylvania will not issue a non-resident permit to a non-PA resident who does not have a permit from his state of residence.

    This is heap big trouble for NJ resident with FL permit who wants to carry, or even target shoot handguns in Pennsylvania.

    I am hoping that a NJ resident with no carry permit can go to a range in PA with an unloaded handgun in a locked car trunk separate from the ammo.

    I hope that FOPA will allow locked unloaded carry from a NJ home to a PA range, but I am not sure about this and do not want to get whacked.

    I hope that a non-resident Virginia permit might still be okay in PA.

    Anyone know the score?

    In any event, I need to contact the PA Attorney General.
     
  2. Sam1911

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    Most of the answers to your questions are here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

    No, FL non-res permits won't be recognized in PA. Yes, every other state's non-res permits still will be.

    No, PA will not issue you a non-resident license if your state does issue carry permits but won't give YOU one. (Sorry MD, and NJ!)

    You should have no issues at all carrying to and from a shooting range.
     
  3. crusher42

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    Bushmaster1313,

    I'm in a similar boat here in NJ. I remember all of the talk from the new AG in PA during the campaign. It sounded then and even after the election like she was only restricting PA residents from using the non-res FL CCW. I could certainly be wrong, but I did not think she was going after out of staters.

    UT is anger option if she does restrict us from using the FL CCW.

    Also, I am not a lawyer, but I am confidant that the FOOA does not apply to this case. It only protects you in intermediate states, not the state of origin or state of destination. EX: from NJ to OH FOPA covers you in PA.

    You still need to comply with the laws in OH once you enter that state and you must comply with NJ law till you cross the freedom line.

    This unfortunately means that you can't legally leave NJ with the handgun unless you fall under one of the NJ exemptions. So remember to always leave NJ on the most direct route to a gun shop in PA. Once you cross into America you can then change your mind on your destination.

    I can't wait to move back to a free state.
    I hope this is helpful.

    Good luck
     
  4. Steve in PA

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    Remember that PA statutorily recognizes EVERY state-issued carry license/permit for the purposes of being armed in a vehicle. So everywhere outside of Philadelphia, you can stay legal by open carrying outside of your car.
     
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    I used to believe that as well. However, FOPA actually says:

     
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    Steve, I don't see in that letter where it says exactly what you say it does.

    In fact, it doesn't seem to address the question of third-state non-res. FL permits at all.

    It only covers a) residents of PA with non-res. FL permits (Not honored), b) dual residents of FL AND PA (good to go), and residents of FL with a FL permit (good to go).

    Is there something else published that says how that shakes out for VA, NJ, MD, etc. residents with a FL non-res. permit?
     
  8. Steve in PA

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    The changes affect residents of PA and dual residents of PA/FL. If you are from another state; NY, NJ, etc and you have a FL non-resident license, you can still carry in PA.
     
  9. Tom488

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    That notice has no legal weight. Read the ACTUAL agreement, which states, in part:

    PA will ONLY recognize a FL permit from a resident of Florida.
     
  10. Vermont Guy

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    Well, Tom, the section you quoted doesn't address 3ed party states either.
     
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    It doesn't seem to explicitly state if it will honor non-resident FL permits in PA. Liberals excel at making simple <deleted> complicated.
     
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    The wording of the agreement does seem to mean that unless you are a resident of FL, PA will not accept the non-resident FL license. I can't see how they can do that, apply a law to a third party.
     
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    I read it the same way (IANAL). But how is it applying a law to a third party?
     
  15. Tom488

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    A member over on PAFOA.org posted a scanned copy of a letter he just received from Florida. It says, in part:

     
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    Fix NJ, or simply move to a free state.
     
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    Ok. PA only recognizes FL permits issued to FL residents.

    Florida lost the negotations (as if it were some sort of contest) when in numbered paragraph two it states:

    "The State of Florida shall consider holders of a valid Concealed Handgun License issued by the commonwealth of Pennsylvania to be concealed handgun permittees in Florida"

    No restriction to PA residents only. PA 1. FL 0.

    So, those who can, get a PA license and let your FL permit expire. (After checking the effect on carry in still other states.)
     
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