What is Sen. Reid's trick here for the anti-gun legislation?

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What is the procedural trick that Sen. Reid can use to pre-empt the filibuster?





http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cruz-obama-newtown-shootings/2013/03/28/id/496863



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Cruz: Obama Using Newtown Shootings for Political Gain

Thursday, 28 Mar 2013 11:36 PM

By Greg Richter

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, accused President Barack Obama of using the Sandy Hook school shooting for political gain on Thursday.

Cruz said Obama’s call not to “get squishy” on tougher gun control laws was taking advantage of a tragic situation, and he vowed to stop the White House’s push for such regulations, The Huffington Post reports.


But Republicans, and many Democrats, are resistant to the president and Democratic leaders who have been pushing stricter background checks and bans on large-clip ammunition magazines and what some call assault weapons. The assault weapons ban has been taken out of the current legislation for lack of support.

"It is saddening to see the president today, once again, try to take advantage of this tragic murder to promote an agenda that will do nothing to stop violent crime, but will undermine the constitutional rights of all law-abiding Americans," Cruz said in statement.

But Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., may have a procedural trick up his own sleeve. Roll Call reports that the Senate’s revised rules and procedures would let Reid to move legislation to the Senate floor without the threat of a pre-emptive filibuster..
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I read the other link to it, but couldn't make sense of it. This crap should never even make it to a vote. It's OBVIOUSLY unconstitutional, so why bother. It's like trying to bring slavery to a floor vote, or something else equally as bad. Some things do not deserve a vote.
 
Make note of who votes for the anti-gun measures, if Reid gets his UBC/Magazine/Assault Weapons add-ons (and other egregious anti-gun bills), without filibuster.

These anti-Americans need to be dealt with at the ballot box. I'm sure Obama has versed Reid in illegal tricks of the trade. Beware.
 
Sen. Reid knows two things. (1) He's coming up for re-election, and (2) While he might possibly push some of the Obama gun bills through the Senate they'd likely go down in flames in the House. Rural Nevada voters would be after his hide, and there would be nothing positive (from the Democrat's point of view) to show for the sacrifice.

Each time he counts noses he comes up short because the necessary votes aren't there. If they have a floor vote a lot of senators are going to be awfully unhappy about having to go on record.

The article represents some reporter or editor's wishful thinking.
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The Senate filibuster is traditionally used to delay a vote by extending debate on a bill. The filibuster simply takes advantage of a Senate rule that allows a Senator to speak for as long as he holds the floor on any subject he desires. The Senator may temporarily yield the floor to another senator if he so choose, but is not required to do so. To extend a filibuster, several senators will yield the floor back and forth to each other for as long as they want to do so, until a motion is made to end debate (the floor is always open to a motion to end debate) or the bill is withdrawn.

A motion to end debate is called cloture. cloture requires a supermajority (60%) in favor to end debate and thus end the filibuster and move the bill to a vote.

As I understand it from a quick reading, the new rules shorten the delay in getting cloture passed. They also allow the Majority leader (Reid) to avoid an initial filibuster by not opening debate until each party has had the opportunity to offer two amendments. The amendments are not subject to filibuster, so a filibuster is not possible until the fully amended bill is opened to debate. Under the old rules, there were three opportunities to filibuster a bill before a vote, now there is only one. Because amendments can't be filibustered because the ability to offer them is guaranteed. They will not be debated before the entire bill is open to debate and filibuster.
 
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Well, he can get it to the floor. but not without debate or filibuster once it gets there. And as soon as Cruz, Lee or Paul get the floor it all depends on how long they can hold it. IF he uses the guaranteed amendment procedure, DiFi gets her AWB amended but with that amendment there won't be enough votes to pass it much less cloture debate.

I think the only thing that has a chance of getting out of the Senate is expanded UBC w/o record keeping. If that bill reaches the floor w/o an AWB or Mag limit, Reid can probably find the votes to cloture debate and end the filibuster, and if he can get 60 votes for cloture, he can get 50 for passage.

As Old Fuff said, Reid knows he and some other Dem Senators are vulnerable in 2014 so he will try to find a way to let them show support for gun control but avoid actually having to vote for it. It will give them cover both ways.

But it still looks like any gun control bill leaving the Senate is DOA in the House. Of course, if a bill gets to the House, Barry O can offer to deal on the budget, taxes, or immigration in exchange for gun control and may get some movement. So it won't be over till 2016 and Barry is gone.
 
i want an up or down vote on gun control in the US senate. This cloture vote may be an attempt to save some senators from themselves. At least 3-5 Republican senators will vote for gun control if left to their own devices. Hold the vote and let the chips fall where they may.

Bear in mind that the 1994 AWB came about after a filibuster lead by senate minority leader Bob Dole. Dole asked his senators to stay with him through three cloture votes. They did that. On the fourth cloture vote seven Republicans broke ranks: The result was the 1994 AWB.
 
What I'm afraid of is Reid will let feinstein attach her bill to some bill that the republicans are screaming for. Puts them in a position of getting what they want and having to swallow feinstein's bill.
 
Reid does not want to go on record as supporting most of the proposed people control legislation (guns). As Old Fuff said, he counts heads and comes up short in the Senate. He does not want to introduce a bill that will result in the Party pressuring its members to vote on legislation that they see as a death pill and they don't want to go on record.

In general, it's a sad state we find ourselves in these days... all the games played and NOTHING gets done on important legislation all because of Reid. Pelosi did essentially the same thing in the House when she was Speaker. In the case of gun control legislation, I don't want it to reach the floor, but then again, it might be important to see who votes for what and go on record.
 
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He's a B+ NRA candidate- this is why. He's pro-gun, but he plays the party politics game.
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Exactly. Reid doesn't want to pull off very much. The only question is whether intra-party pressure forces him to do more than he would like. He is faced with a multi-level game. His Democratic colleagues (many of them, anyway) want him to do more. His constituents (many of them, anyway) want him to do less.
 
Of course it's ALL Political Adgenda motivated.
Sadly,the Congressional Slime Balls use a tradgedy like Sandy Hook to advance their prospects and do NOTHING to address the fact that NATIONWIDE, EXISTING Gun Control mandates ARE NOT being utilized.
7500 Confiscations in Chicago in 2012?
Any prosecutions?
Not hardly! WHY??
 
Zeke/PA said:
Of course it's ALL Political Adgenda motivated.
Sadly,the Congressional Slime Balls use a tradgedy like Sandy Hook to advance their prospects and do NOTHING to address the fact that NATIONWIDE, EXISTING Gun Control mandates ARE NOT being utilized.
7500 Confiscations in Chicago in 2012?
Any prosecutions?
Not hardly! WHY??
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Every time you take a bad guy's gun and turn him loose w/o prosecution, it accomplishes 2 things:

1. It takes an illegal gun off the street, and

2. The BG has to go out and get another gun...illegally. Which drives up the stats on illegal possession and transfers w/o background checks

all of which can be used to support your call for more gun control.
 
Under the previous rules, a Senator could filibuster the motion to proceed with debate and the motion to end debate. Under the new deal made this January, all it takes is 7 Senators from each party, including the Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, to confirm the motion to proceed.

Once that happens, each party is guaranteed an opportunity to offer at least two amendments from the floor to the bill. These amendments still need a majority vote in order to be attached to the bill though (so a repeal of 922(o) as a poison pill is unlikely).

Senators can still filibuster the motion to end debate, causing the bill to stall; but the requirements are stricter now. The Senators must be physically present. This link goes into more detail: http://www.policymic.com/articles/2...form-2013-what-rules-changed-and-will-it-work
 
I think his plan is to slow-walk the bills so by the time they finally get to the floor for a vote, the anti-gunners had run out of steam weeks before and can't muster a rally. There's only so long they can keep the hysteria going before even their supporters get tired of it.
 
I think that some of you are assuming that Reid wants another AWB. Reid didn't vote to renew last AWB, and he won't vote for a new one either (I believe he has gone on record saying that). I think he has said that there are only 40 votes for a new AWB. The only reason that he would allow it to come up for a vote is so that Obama and Feinstein could say, "See, we tried to do something, but the republicans hate children/elderly/the poor/the environment/and puppy dogs."
 
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