jimbo555
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Lets see,we have colt,kimber,sig,hk,ruger,glock,taurus,walther and just about every other maker of semi-autos..What conclusion can we make?
What is the most unreliable semi auto you have shot ?
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larryh1108
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I think selling 75,000+ new Kimbers a year has a lot to do with it.
Bought a Keltec P32 brand new and it was the most unreliable gun I have ever shot jammed constantly, and had it sent to keltec, and sold it immediately after I got it back.
Now use a Smith and wesson 642 and Glock 26 combo.
My "saturday night special" raven 25 was more reliable had no jams or any problems with it.
Now use a Smith and wesson 642 and Glock 26 combo.
My "saturday night special" raven 25 was more reliable had no jams or any problems with it.
thub
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Sig Mosquito, cheap jamming junk. Sold it for 150 and told the guy he is getting ripped off.
Jim NE
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My KelTec P-11 is very reliable BUT, when I brought it home new, It wouldn't even cycle rounds into the chamber when I racked the slide, SOOOO.....
Got out the dremel and polishing compound and steel wool and 1500 grit wet sand paper. Polished the surfaces till they were shiney like chrome. And guess what???
In 800 rounds, I haven't had one jam or fail to fire. And I DON'T have to polish it all the time. Just that one time did it.
I clean it, of course.
Given that I couldn't even cycle the rounds into the chamber when it was new, however, I suspect that MY KELTEC WAS PROBABLY NO BETTER THAN ALL OF THOSE "POS" KELTECS LISTED ON THIS THREAD.
The Keltec is a tinkerer's gun. THEY HAVE TO BE BROKEN IN. Mine did, anyway. It wasn't accurate at all when it was new, either - not until I installed the mag shoe on the stock mag to lengthen the grip. (I also bought a second extended mag, which also lengthened the grip.) This gave me greater control over the snappy recoil.
I've said it before: Keltec sells you a gun that's only 95% complete - you have to polish it off to get the reliability that it's truly capable of. This is a very contrary notion to today's consumer oriented marketplace. KelTEc should either finish off/polish their guns so they work properly out of the box (and charge an extra $20), or TELL customers that they need to do it.
No, the materials aren't like top line guns. I still haven't fixed the P-11's broken last-round-slide-lock function....I'm worried if I send it in for repair they'll inadvertantly do something to wreck it's ultra reliable "mojo".
I carry my P-11 with confidence.
Got out the dremel and polishing compound and steel wool and 1500 grit wet sand paper. Polished the surfaces till they were shiney like chrome. And guess what???
In 800 rounds, I haven't had one jam or fail to fire. And I DON'T have to polish it all the time. Just that one time did it.
I clean it, of course.
Given that I couldn't even cycle the rounds into the chamber when it was new, however, I suspect that MY KELTEC WAS PROBABLY NO BETTER THAN ALL OF THOSE "POS" KELTECS LISTED ON THIS THREAD.
The Keltec is a tinkerer's gun. THEY HAVE TO BE BROKEN IN. Mine did, anyway. It wasn't accurate at all when it was new, either - not until I installed the mag shoe on the stock mag to lengthen the grip. (I also bought a second extended mag, which also lengthened the grip.) This gave me greater control over the snappy recoil.
I've said it before: Keltec sells you a gun that's only 95% complete - you have to polish it off to get the reliability that it's truly capable of. This is a very contrary notion to today's consumer oriented marketplace. KelTEc should either finish off/polish their guns so they work properly out of the box (and charge an extra $20), or TELL customers that they need to do it.
No, the materials aren't like top line guns. I still haven't fixed the P-11's broken last-round-slide-lock function....I'm worried if I send it in for repair they'll inadvertantly do something to wreck it's ultra reliable "mojo".
I carry my P-11 with confidence.
I couldn't trust my life to a tinkerer's gun. Leave that for lazy Sunday afternoon bulls-eye or target guns.
I had three Kel-Tecs. I sold every one of them, and I won't be buying any more. Durability is also a pretty big concern I have with their guns. It seems that once rounds start adding up the "tinkerer's" aspect could suddenly come roaring back.
25cschaefer
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There was a jerk in my unit, in the Army, that kept talking about how awesome his "19mm bolt action pistol," that also went "full auto," was. I went to the range with him and he pulled some MAC 10 clone out and started bragging about how fast he could shoot it. The bolt was so corroded it wouldn't cycle so you had to charge it every time, well from time to time it would cycle-semi-auto-as it should. I laughed so hard I almost peed. Of course the "19mm" came from the camo spray paint job with runs. He said he practically stole it for $500 because, "I guess technically they're illegal unless you're in the Army." It wouldn't have been so funny if the guy wasn't always talking down to people about how little they knew about firearms - after all, "Husqvarna is a Japanese company that only makes weed whackers and chainsaws, it was probably stamped that way as a joke." He said about my "weak" .270.
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All I'm saying is this: KelTEc ISN'T polishing the internal surfaces of their guns before sending them out the door like Ruger does. I don't believe that many of the KelTec malfunctions described on this thread are design flaws per se...I believe they're final assembly/finish flaws. KelTEcs are way above Jennings or Bryco. So why don't they finish them off? I don't know. Money I guess.
If I ever get a gun that malfunctions like my Keltec did when it was new, I'm gonna take a dremel polisher to the feed ramp before I sell it off as a piece of junk. What do I have to lose? If that doesn't help, then it's history.
If I ever get a gun that malfunctions like my Keltec did when it was new, I'm gonna take a dremel polisher to the feed ramp before I sell it off as a piece of junk. What do I have to lose? If that doesn't help, then it's history.
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Oh no, I did the dance correctly. And I know the difference between a friction jam and "jammed because the hammer leg is in the wrong position". When you push the mainspring housing in, you should feel spring pressure. If you do, you've got it right. If you don't, you don't. It didn't hard jam when pulling to the rear. It was definitely dragging on something.
Funny thing: I separated the upper receiver from the grip and tried it. It friction jammed with just the tube, too. And I still couldn't tell why. It was specific to that particular vertical strut.
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My old Buckmark, which I sold, did experience a few problems from time to time. I did shoot the cheap, bulk stuff with it, but it still had a lot of FTFs. I think that the problem was mostly due to bad ammo.
The only centerfire autoloader that I've had problems with was an XD9 that I rented about 7 years ago.
It was a rental and it jammed up on me when I was intentionally trying to limp wrist it. I didn't even make through the first magazine before the round failed to enter the chamber properly.
I did the tap and rack thing, but it didn't work. I removed the magazine and it was still jammed. I had some simple cleaning tools that a gun smith made for me a while back. One of the tools was kind of like a dental pick, but a little more sturdy. After digging through my range bag I found the pick and managed to dislodge the round.
In spite of this experience, I still like XDs. For a while, I was really interested in getting an XD45 compact and/or an XDm 9. I really couldn't get this experience out of my head and just couldn't bring myself to buy an XD after this experience.
At the time, I was trying to intentionally limp wrist about 6 or 7 guns. None of the other guns had any problems with what I was doing. At the time, I also tried "limp wristing" a G17, PX4, 90-two, Sig 2022, USP, and a CZ 75b.
None of these other guns had any problems with the intentional limp wristing. I only ran about 2-3 mags worth of 9mm ammo through each gun. It was probably just bad luck that the XD9 jammed up on me.
Even though I recognized this at the time, this experience made me gravitate to revolvers. After a few more years, it sounded as though the M&P's "teething problems" were solved. There were a few documented problems with the gun early on, but it sounded as though S&W solved these issues.
Around this time, the M&P and Glock won equal contracts after succesfully completing the ATF pistol trials. After hearing this, I tried a M&P out and loved it. I went out and got an M&P 9 and a M&P 45. I haven't looked back. I even sold a few of my revolvers and don't regret a thing.
My old Buckmark, which I sold, did experience a few problems from time to time. I did shoot the cheap, bulk stuff with it, but it still had a lot of FTFs. I think that the problem was mostly due to bad ammo.
The only centerfire autoloader that I've had problems with was an XD9 that I rented about 7 years ago.
It was a rental and it jammed up on me when I was intentionally trying to limp wrist it. I didn't even make through the first magazine before the round failed to enter the chamber properly.
I did the tap and rack thing, but it didn't work. I removed the magazine and it was still jammed. I had some simple cleaning tools that a gun smith made for me a while back. One of the tools was kind of like a dental pick, but a little more sturdy. After digging through my range bag I found the pick and managed to dislodge the round.
In spite of this experience, I still like XDs. For a while, I was really interested in getting an XD45 compact and/or an XDm 9. I really couldn't get this experience out of my head and just couldn't bring myself to buy an XD after this experience.
At the time, I was trying to intentionally limp wrist about 6 or 7 guns. None of the other guns had any problems with what I was doing. At the time, I also tried "limp wristing" a G17, PX4, 90-two, Sig 2022, USP, and a CZ 75b.
None of these other guns had any problems with the intentional limp wristing. I only ran about 2-3 mags worth of 9mm ammo through each gun. It was probably just bad luck that the XD9 jammed up on me.
Even though I recognized this at the time, this experience made me gravitate to revolvers. After a few more years, it sounded as though the M&P's "teething problems" were solved. There were a few documented problems with the gun early on, but it sounded as though S&W solved these issues.
Around this time, the M&P and Glock won equal contracts after succesfully completing the ATF pistol trials. After hearing this, I tried a M&P out and loved it. I went out and got an M&P 9 and a M&P 45. I haven't looked back. I even sold a few of my revolvers and don't regret a thing.
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Ranges that rent guns are notorious for not cleaning their firearms often enough to keep them in working order. I've seen even high quality guns jamming at ranges because there was so much buildup on them they were practically converted to single shots.
leftymachinist
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Just like Wristwister said most firearms are dirty, not broke in properly, or fed the right ammo. Also manufacturers have to make quick high profit i.e. mass #'s of products or the stockholders cry. USA no longer has a pool of skilled crafts people to draw from for manufacturing. Community colleges want to do away with vocational programs as they are too costly and are "blue collar " related. Go to any high school, they'll tell students a four yr. degree or more is the only way. Myself I'll gladly pay good money for a well made firearm. Maybe that is why I have not purchased a new gun in decades, but i will buy an old used one.
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