What is the next milsurp wave?

[Mike OTDP]

As I mentioned before, the RUMINT I've heard is that the Russians were sitting on truckloads of WW2 pistols that were not importable - because they came from Russia. But move them to a third country for a while (five years, I understand), and they become importable IF they have the points under GCA '68. Think P.38s, Walther PPs, etc.

If the GCA '68 import point system gets ditched, there are a lot of Walther PPKs in Europe. And I think that system can be challenged if you use the right case. A high-end target pistol would do nicely, as most of them are not sold in Europe with any sort of safety. Safeties being superfluous on a pistol loaded and fired on a formal target range.

 

[Husker_Fan]

Not long ago we imported tons of P6s, P7s, and P1s from Germany that were surplus police arms. Most countries, other than the US, have large national police forces instead of lots of local ones. Each time these countries adopt a new side arm we might get to see some of the old ones.

 

[machinecraig]

What I fervently wish, is that other museum curators \ historians would write letters to the ATF unlocking gems like the CZ-82. If there was a historical firearm society or a firearm museum association that would take this on, it's a cause I would contribute money to.

 

[Mike OTDP]

They did, in the case of the Cz-82. It's C&R. Buy now.

 

[machinecraig]

Right - that's what I mean. The cz-82 was opened up to C&R 03 licenses due to the work of a museum curator (I believe). It would be really nice if other equally modern, historically significant pieces could be classified as C&Rs.

 

[mortablunt]

In terms of general milsurp stuff, the fall of the USSR and the modernization of the militaries of some of the former Soviet republics, combined with the mass numbers of items made in order to fulfill the great demands of conscription, which is being ended in some places, has been a great opportunity for all sorts of cheap gear. You can get cheap milsurp Combloc BDU's, uniforms, hats, boots, armor, and other such things online. Russia dropped the Flora pattern last year, so that is easily found and comparatively cheap for a non ripstop not made in China BDU. I also I saw someplace that is offering $75 as their price for soft body armor vests, and $25 for a pair of boots.

Now for milsurp guns, thanks to FOPA 86, GCA 68, 922r, Military Style Semiautomatic Import Ban, and Bush 1's ban on bringing back battlefield pickup weapons, we won't be seeing more rifles unless some company neuters them before importation. Handguns will likely be the next big milsurp weapons. However, we may see one more flood of cheap AK's because countries like China are outfitting themselves with new designs.

Here are some links to the cheap milsurp I'm talking about.

http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/
This is where I got the $25 boots and they sell everything but firearms and gun parts.
http://www.rusmilitary.com/index.htm
These guys sell everything, including firearms.
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/
I have not purchased anything from them, rather, I use them for a price check.
http://military.biz.ua/
I found the $75 body armor here, but I have yet to purchase anything from them.

 

[545days]

Eventually North Korea will fall apart, and if the Norks behaved like all their fellow paranoid communist regimes did, then it is reasonable to expect that they have a bunch of old guns sitting in cosmoline waiting to be sold for hard currency.

 

[Owen Sparks]

I wonder what will become of Shotgun News.

 

[JRH6856]

I wonder what will become of Shotgun News.

They'll keep running ads for J&G Sales, only they'll just be selling parts.

 

[Mike OTDP]

Well, if we get more pistols released, I won't be unhappy. I collect them.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Supposedly the release of 85,000 South Korean M1 garands may be imminent (or not).

BUT the State Dept. and ATF are still having vapor lock over the idea of OKing 700,000+ South Korean M1 Carbines for import to US (dread concealable semi-auto carbines with detachable box magazines and bayonet lugs blather "assault weapon" blather)

I suspect M1 carbine collectors and replica manufacturers are not keen on the idea of 700,000 dumped on the US market either, even if the original plan (import 70,000 per year for ten years) is followed.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Nixon peace sign "wave". It really doesn't matter either way. Be happy or not. Got milsurp?
feh

 

[wkumatt]

I'd really enjoy another M1 Carbine. I had a Plainfield that I traded off for a nickel CZ 75 compact. I miss it but I'd love a GI rifle.
What's it going to take to get those SOKO rifles over here?

 

[elano]

What will get. The m1s over?

 

[JRH6856]

What will get. The m1s over?

It won't be Obama so that's one place to start.

 

[mgmorden]

BUT the State Dept. and ATF are still having vapor lock over the idea of OKing 700,000+ South Korean M1 Carbines for import to US (dread concealable semi-auto carbines with detachable box magazines and bayonet lugs blather "assault weapon" blather)

I suspect M1 carbine collectors and replica manufacturers are not keen on the idea of 700,000 dumped on the US market either, even if the original plan (import 70,000 per year for ten years) is followed.

Now it's been a while since I've really been piqued by a surplus gun, but my interest just shot up. M1 Carbines were long gone by the time I got into the milsurp game circa 2003 or so. I'd jump at a chance to get one at a good price (with that many of them I'd lay money on them coming in less than $250).

 

[wkumatt]

Dumb question I know, but for fun and education. I have a close friend (civilian) that works in SOKO ten months a year then back home for two then repeat.
Is there any way in the world he could buy a case there and import a small batch of those carbines? For all I know he probably couldn't purchase a firearm of any kind while there, but I'm curious.

 

[wkumatt]

What will get. The m1s over?

Yes, that's what I meant. I fell into a habit a friend of mine has of referring to S. Korea as SOKO.

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[Flopsweat]

I seem to remember reading that the Korean M1's were in pretty rough shape and wouldn't likely go cheap if they did make it over here. Is that correct?

 

[sigpro]

Is it at all possible that some country is still sitting on a pile of Mausers or Enfields? I remember hearing a couple years ago that Nepal released a bunch of Baker and Martinis. I'd like to see a bunch of Hi-Powers or Beretta 951's get imported.

 

[wkumatt]

I remember the Martini Henry thing in Nepal, I cant remember who the importer was but they had a big magazine ad about them and seems like they found a pile of Brown Bess Muskets as well. I remember they were selling musket balls for a couple of bucks apiece.

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[sigpro]

I remember the Martini Henry thing in Nepal, I cant remember who the importer was but they had a big magazine ad about them and seems like they found a pile of Brown Bess Muskets as well. I remember they were selling musket balls for a couple of bucks apiece.

I think it was IMA (International Military Antiques), and Atlanta Cutlery. Neither of which are companies known for selling firearms. I think they also sold a bunch of Baker Rifles too.

 

[Ian]

The Nepalese guns were from IMA - they got everything from muzzleloaders to Lewis Guns and Stens (but those couldn't come into the US). Mostly single-shot cartridge guns like Martinis.

If trade relations with China are ever normalized, there will be be an inconceivable stock of surplus guns coming over. The Chinese used a little of everything for decades, and never threw anything away.

 

[whalerman]

I doubt if Obama will let any of us have anything that is found in the future.

 

[crossrhodes]

Koean Garands

I bet a lot of dealers/importers will be scabbing on the prices of those M1's, can you save $700 to $800 for a beat up M1 with a very dark bore. I'm glad I kept some of the K31's and CZ 52's I purchased when the market was flooded and cheap. I men't Korean Garand. sorry for type O.