Vern Humphrey
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Beats the heck our of me. You can acually buy a 3-position aftermarket safety for the Remington 700. The Mauser patent on this kind of safety expired nearly a century ago.
What is wrong with Remington Rifles? If anything.
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Beats the heck our of me. You can acually buy a 3-position aftermarket safety for the Remington 700. The Mauser patent on this kind of safety expired nearly a century ago.
db_tanker
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You know I didn't like Remington for so damn long...for the most part all of the ones I had experience with were either treated badly or that "one out of a 1000" that was just crud.
The other day I was helping out my brother and his friend sight in two rifles...both remingtons, 243 and a 270, both basic 700 CDL's and liked them quite a bit. They could use a touch here and there with the trigger and such...but other than that they were nice rifles, especially the 243.
I am thinking my next aqcuisition will be either a 243 model 700 or a model 7 243.
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The other day I was helping out my brother and his friend sight in two rifles...both remingtons, 243 and a 270, both basic 700 CDL's and liked them quite a bit. They could use a touch here and there with the trigger and such...but other than that they were nice rifles, especially the 243.
I am thinking my next aqcuisition will be either a 243 model 700 or a model 7 243.
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Bullet Bob
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I haven't seen the figures for a couple of years, but for a long time, the 700 was the best-selling rifle in the world, not just the USA, so even the sophisticated eurotrash liked them. They're darn fine guns, but when you're king, you're going to take a bashing just because.
Here's my early-to-mid 70's .243 700C.
Here's my early-to-mid 70's .243 700C.
Interesting. There's a thread on 10-8forums.com right now in which snipers have reported their Remingtons going off without the trigger being touched.
This is a known problem with Remingtons (at least, well known in LE circles) and has absolutely nothing to do with people covering for their own failures.
I've handled many Remmy 700's... and none of them went off with out the trigger being pulled. If you're unloading your rifle, and shoot someone, you didn't follow the 4 safety rules. I've never hear of a LE concern over it either.
The Remmington 700PSS and LTR's are some of the best rifles that come out of the box, when ruggedness, and accuracy are the 2 main concerns.
The Remmington 700PSS and LTR's are some of the best rifles that come out of the box, when ruggedness, and accuracy are the 2 main concerns.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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I've owned a bunch of Remington's over the years---NOT ONE of them would give a decent group---and YES --I messed with triggers--different loads etc---nothing seemed to help.
They went bang evey time--no parts broke--and no AD's.
I now own Sako--Browning--Ruger and Winchester bolt actions.
About 2 weeks ago I picked up a NIB Model 7 in 7mm-08---Its a sweet little rifle and the price was very right---still haven't got around to shooting it yet----this is Remington's LAST -FINAL chance to do right by me. I'm just looking for a decent 3-shot group---is that too much to ask??
So not a Remington fan at all here---but I do really like my new little rifle.
They went bang evey time--no parts broke--and no AD's.
I now own Sako--Browning--Ruger and Winchester bolt actions.
About 2 weeks ago I picked up a NIB Model 7 in 7mm-08---Its a sweet little rifle and the price was very right---still haven't got around to shooting it yet----this is Remington's LAST -FINAL chance to do right by me. I'm just looking for a decent 3-shot group---is that too much to ask??
So not a Remington fan at all here---but I do really like my new little rifle.
Grumulkin
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The most accurate 308 Winchester I ever owned was a semiautomatic Remington 742. It even beat my Springfield Armory National Match M1A. In fact, at the first benchrest match I went to (there weren't a lot of competitors), I took first place with it in the "heavy C" category. I probably shouldn't have sold it.
MCgunner
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My M7 doesn't hold the bolt down, but when I handload for it, I neck size only. There is significant cartridge tension on the bolt to keep it from being kicked up. I do understand that complaint, though, because my old M512X suffers the same malady, legitimate complaint there. Hearing that "click" on a squirrel ain't quite as devastating as a trophy bull. 
But, I've not got the problem on my .308, enough tension on the bolt from the chambered cartridge to keep it down with a round in the chamber.
Thank you for stating the obvious. Who the heck doesn't adjust the trigger on a new rifle, I mean, if it has adjustments? I have the older Savage trigger. It's easy to adjust, too, but it's not capable of as light of a trigger as the Remington is. It's good enough for hunting at 3 lbs, though. That Savage was set at about 9 lbs with a ton of creep when I got it. First thing I did was get it crisp with 3 lbs of effort. Same with my Remingtons. I really don't care how they come out of the box so long as I can adjust it to where I want it. All three of my primary hunting rifles are set at a crisp 3 lbs.
But, I've not got the problem on my .308, enough tension on the bolt from the chambered cartridge to keep it down with a round in the chamber.Thank you for stating the obvious. Who the heck doesn't adjust the trigger on a new rifle, I mean, if it has adjustments? I have the older Savage trigger. It's easy to adjust, too, but it's not capable of as light of a trigger as the Remington is. It's good enough for hunting at 3 lbs, though. That Savage was set at about 9 lbs with a ton of creep when I got it. First thing I did was get it crisp with 3 lbs of effort. Same with my Remingtons. I really don't care how they come out of the box so long as I can adjust it to where I want it. All three of my primary hunting rifles are set at a crisp 3 lbs.
Richard.Howe
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I've had multiple Remingtons through the stable and none have stayed. Biggest gripes, most to least significant:
Having said all that...they are not a bad rifle. Any manufacturer is going to have issues, and all of them can be fixed by an expensive run to your favorite riflesmith. Just be aware that you're going to need to add about 50% to your Remington purchase price if your tastes are at all discriminating. Again, they're not a bad gun, but there's just too many better, roughly-equivalent priced alternatives out there.
Maybe it's a Chevy/Ford thing...I just never warmed up to the design. OTOH, Winchesters, Steyrs and Sakos make my day.
It doesn't really matter. Just shoot what you have and fix it when it breaks. People love to fixate on the hardware...
Rich
- Safety issues (well documented)
- Bolt slop and failure of safety mechanism to hold bolt closed
- Push-feed is not my cup of tea
- Possibly the worst factory trigger, though that is easily improved by a competent 'smith
- Crappily-manufactured component parts (breakage)
- Bolt shroud and J-lock
Having said all that...they are not a bad rifle. Any manufacturer is going to have issues, and all of them can be fixed by an expensive run to your favorite riflesmith. Just be aware that you're going to need to add about 50% to your Remington purchase price if your tastes are at all discriminating. Again, they're not a bad gun, but there's just too many better, roughly-equivalent priced alternatives out there.
Maybe it's a Chevy/Ford thing...I just never warmed up to the design. OTOH, Winchesters, Steyrs and Sakos make my day.
It doesn't really matter. Just shoot what you have and fix it when it breaks. People love to fixate on the hardware...
Rich
Ash
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The Remington 700 is a fine rifle. It is not peerless by any stretch of the imagination, but it is a fine rifle all the same. It has a good rep and is well liked by legions of folks.
Personally, I prefer the Savage 110. It isn't a new kid on the block, by the way, as it came out almost 50 years ago and is almost as old as the 721 design. The 700 designation is actually newer than the Savage 110. It's all preference. Mine is that Savage can shoot as well as if not better than the 700. That's good enough for me. Other folks look at the Remington and buy it because it is the action of choice for police and military sniper's rifles. That's good enough for them.
Ash
Personally, I prefer the Savage 110. It isn't a new kid on the block, by the way, as it came out almost 50 years ago and is almost as old as the 721 design. The 700 designation is actually newer than the Savage 110. It's all preference. Mine is that Savage can shoot as well as if not better than the 700. That's good enough for me. Other folks look at the Remington and buy it because it is the action of choice for police and military sniper's rifles. That's good enough for them.
Ash
Skywarp
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My 700 and savage 110 were bought around the same time. My remington does not like neck sized only reloads. At all. My savage eats them up and tears tiny ragged holes.
That and the Accutrigger is amazing.
That and the Accutrigger is amazing.
Vern Humphrey
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The Accutrigger turns the Savage into a whole different rifle. It's probably the biggest development of the decade in rifles.
ETXhiker
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Mine too, LoneStar.45. Mine is an early eighties, box stock, and it has the best trigger I've ever seen. Not much experience with the recent models, but a lot of people seem to be happy with them.
And someone said:
Ummm, you're joking, right? Either you have had incredibly bad luck, or...well...never mind.
Shawnee
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Hi BC...
Below is the complete list of everything wrong with the Remington 700...
Below is the complete list of everything wrong with the Remington 700...
redranger1
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Remingtons are overpriced compared to other rifle brands that offer similar rifles. And in many cases the other rifles are just as others have said, smoother, more accurate and better triggers. And remington doesnt seem to have very good customer support from what i have seen in a couple of differant circumstances.
[My problem with Remington is that they addressed the problem of the gun going off when the safety is released (whether it did that or not isn't the question) by eliminating the bolt hold-down feature of the safety.
If Remington ever comes out with an honest 3-position safety, I'll buy one./QUOTE]
Actually, the removal of the bolt lock does not have anything to do with the rifle going off when safety is released; all this does is (further) shift the blame, should someone be injured, to the operator, not the manufacturer by giving the operator the "opportunity" to remove loaded round from the chamber before sliding safety forward.
The Remington safety issue is not a secret. There have been a number of documented instances of model 700's that "fire on release of safety" (the term Remington applies to this occurance).
I am sure many (thousands) of others have not experienced a "fire on release of safety" also (but it only takes one, in combination with any one lapse in following safe rifle handling) , and I agree that certain safety rules were not followed if someone is injured or killed in such an occurance. Keeping the weapon pointed in a safe direction, comes to mind. Having said that, I must ask the question, have any of us ever pointed a firearm in an unsafe direction? Be honest, now
I purchased an new 40XC (target rifle built by Rem. custom shop on their 700 action) to use in HP rifle competition. The very first round through this rifle right out of the box was a "fire on release of safety". My hand was no where near the trigger and, when I disengaged the safety the rifle fired. It had the type of safety which locks the bolt closed, making it impossible to unload the rifle, once loaded, with the safety on. Remington 700's are now manufactured without the bolt lock and they will remove the tip of older style safeties to enable the user to unload the rifle without disengaging the safety.
As others have stated, the 3 position safety, as is used on Win. mod. 70 and also on the Savage rifles is the superior safety, IMO.
Not knocking Remington rifles, just hoping to help prevent any further dangerous incidents. By the way, the 40XC was one of the most accurate rifles I ever owned; did have to replace the magazine spring right away, as the first round in the magazine would nosedive into the mag. but never had a problem with the extractor.
Regards,
hps
confused...
I am confused when people say that Remington 700 is over-priced? Check out Walmart:
Remington 700
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4665577
Savage 10FP
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684971
The Remington is stainless and cheaper.....What am I missing?
I am confused when people say that Remington 700 is over-priced? Check out Walmart:
Remington 700
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4665577
Savage 10FP
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684971
The Remington is stainless and cheaper.....What am I missing?
ECVMatt
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I have quite a few 700's and love them...
I learned about them while working on a ranch in TX. We shot everyday and carried our rifles with us at all times. We never had one problem with them. I still have my original 700 in 6mm Rem. I bought it second hand from a rancher in NM. No telling how many 1000's of rounds it has had through it and it still shoots great.
Trigger is a none issues as it only takes moments to fix.
All of my Remingtons will shoot under an inch and I only neck size when I reload.
I do prefer the old safety that locks the bolt and have never seen one go off unless the safety was off and the trigger was pulled. Isn't that what they are supposed to do??
Not to bash savages, but those seem to have the most problems when used hard. They just seem to fall apart when they get bashed around during a typical day on the ranch. They do shoot, but accuracy doesn't much count if the rifle won't go bang...
I also really like Ruger M77's. I always install a timney trigger and the shoot great. They are also very durable and never broke.
Tikkas are nice, but creeping up in price. I hate the fact that they only make one action size and then use the mag as some kind of half a$$ bolt stop. Magazines that are 50 to 75 dollars a piece are another problem for me.
Again, not a bashin savage or Tikka response, just a personal observation.
Matt
I learned about them while working on a ranch in TX. We shot everyday and carried our rifles with us at all times. We never had one problem with them. I still have my original 700 in 6mm Rem. I bought it second hand from a rancher in NM. No telling how many 1000's of rounds it has had through it and it still shoots great.
Trigger is a none issues as it only takes moments to fix.
All of my Remingtons will shoot under an inch and I only neck size when I reload.
I do prefer the old safety that locks the bolt and have never seen one go off unless the safety was off and the trigger was pulled. Isn't that what they are supposed to do??
Not to bash savages, but those seem to have the most problems when used hard. They just seem to fall apart when they get bashed around during a typical day on the ranch. They do shoot, but accuracy doesn't much count if the rifle won't go bang...
I also really like Ruger M77's. I always install a timney trigger and the shoot great. They are also very durable and never broke.
Tikkas are nice, but creeping up in price. I hate the fact that they only make one action size and then use the mag as some kind of half a$$ bolt stop. Magazines that are 50 to 75 dollars a piece are another problem for me.
Again, not a bashin savage or Tikka response, just a personal observation.
Matt
MCgunner
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confused...
Yeah, I think they are all thinking a BDL is the only M700, taint so. My M7 was a little high, I'll admit, but there are cheaper versions. Just stay away from the 710. I haven't played with one, yet, but I hear lots of negative. I can tell ya the old M788, Remington's bargain at the time, was accurate, but the trigger was aweful and the finish plainer'n dirt. Lots of folks loved the old 788, but it never did much for me.
The ADL was always reasonably priced and way ahead of the 788 back in the day. It was simply a BDL without the frills.
Yeah, I think they are all thinking a BDL is the only M700, taint so. My M7 was a little high, I'll admit, but there are cheaper versions. Just stay away from the 710. I haven't played with one, yet, but I hear lots of negative. I can tell ya the old M788, Remington's bargain at the time, was accurate, but the trigger was aweful and the finish plainer'n dirt. Lots of folks loved the old 788, but it never did much for me.
The ADL was always reasonably priced and way ahead of the 788 back in the day. It was simply a BDL without the frills.
Richard.Howe
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True -- military long-range shooters lug a Remmy M700. Well, kind of:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=230278
It's hardly a just-out-of-the-box rifle... They can certainly be refined to the point of rifle art, but it'll cost you.
Rich
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=230278
It's hardly a just-out-of-the-box rifle...
They can certainly be refined to the point of rifle art, but it'll cost you.Rich
Ash
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The Wallyworld comparison is a bit biased. Compare the Savage 110 to the Remington ADL and you find the 110 is cheaper. Heck, the 110 is a mere nickel more expensive than the dreadful 710.
Ash
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684985
$339 versus the cheapest Remington on the site at $465
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4665695
the site is limited, though, and some Remingtons can be had for less than that, but still significantly more than the Savage.
Ash
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684985
$339 versus the cheapest Remington on the site at $465
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4665695
the site is limited, though, and some Remingtons can be had for less than that, but still significantly more than the Savage.
mustanger98
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I was looking at a Remington M700BDL in .243Winchester when I settled on my Savage M11GL in .243Winchester. The Savage has a three-position safety and the AccuTrigger is great. I was able to shoot a sub-1" group with it with S&B 100grSP.
GreyMauser
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Face it, there are very few mass market rifles that are perfect out-of-the box. If you don't like something on your Remington 700, Brownells or Midway have tons of fixes.
IMO, it's better to be overpriced and still in business than unprofitable and out of business like the ex Winchester plant.
Interesting to compare price and availability of used Remington 700 vs Winchester 70 at www.collectorsfirearms.com
IMO, it's better to be overpriced and still in business than unprofitable and out of business like the ex Winchester plant.
Interesting to compare price and availability of used Remington 700 vs Winchester 70 at www.collectorsfirearms.com
Thin Black Line
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Have never seen or heard 1st hand from anyone who has ever had an
extractor failure on a 700. Though, yes, it looks skinny.
My factory 700 VS has an unadjusted factory-set trigger and with handloads
will do 1 moa or better. The action was smoother than the Savages I've
picked up, but not as good as the Ruger 77V I once had (older not the MkII).
I have run into more than my fair share of bad guns through the years , however in the last 10 years I have owned four Model 700s - a VS , VLS , P and LTR. All have been fantastic shooters. All have been reliable and trouble free. The 700s I have experience with have all been the heavy barrel tactical/varmint models in .223 or .308. None of the junk guns I have owned have been 700s.
About the only gripe I had was on the 700 VLS where the laminated stock should allow the heavy barrel to free float. I simply sanded it myself and it turned out to shoot the most accurate group of all the 700s I owned.
I have friends who own similar models - Sendero , VS , P and VLS in various chamberings - 7mm Mag , .308 and 22-250. All are pleased and none of them had any gripes with anything other than maybe trigger pull out of the box.
Have no experience with sporter style 700 rifles like the ADL , BDL or the newer CDL. But I would have no hesitation buying another VLS , LTR or 700P if I wanted an accurate out of the box rifle.
Although I will have to admit that some of the Savage line offer better value these days like the 12BVSS I picked up not long ago. Stainless , laminated stock with pillars and crisp 2.25lb trigger right out of the box for $599.
About the only gripe I had was on the 700 VLS where the laminated stock should allow the heavy barrel to free float. I simply sanded it myself and it turned out to shoot the most accurate group of all the 700s I owned.
I have friends who own similar models - Sendero , VS , P and VLS in various chamberings - 7mm Mag , .308 and 22-250. All are pleased and none of them had any gripes with anything other than maybe trigger pull out of the box.
Have no experience with sporter style 700 rifles like the ADL , BDL or the newer CDL. But I would have no hesitation buying another VLS , LTR or 700P if I wanted an accurate out of the box rifle.
Although I will have to admit that some of the Savage line offer better value these days like the 12BVSS I picked up not long ago. Stainless , laminated stock with pillars and crisp 2.25lb trigger right out of the box for $599.
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