What is your armor rig?

[BullfrogKen]

The simple fact is more people are injured or die every year falling from tree stands; suffer heart attacks; experience a cold injury; hypothermia; or otherwise get injured while hunting at far greater rates that they are injured or killed by being shot.

 

[highorder]

It's not paranoia.

The op simply wants to use thr to shill his goods. No only am I not interested in his products or opinions, i'm contemplating the ignore function for the first time in my five years here.

On topic, hunting with armor to protect against the statistically low probability of being shot can be defended to a point. Not wearing a kevlar helmet at the same time renders any potential argument moot.

These threads are simply preposterous.

 

[taliv]

i'm fairly certain the OP is not affiliated in any way with SKD. SKD and the 'pig' are well regarded and the OP hasn't tried to sell anyone anything yet.

Please keep future comments on topic or ignore the topic if you aren't interested

 

[BullfrogKen]

I haven't seen anything I'd consider advertising.

Promotion of a product, yes. But we all promote products when we come here and offer our opinion that we like what we bought or own.


I've got no problem promoting body armor products.

But I do differ with promoting that product for activities that just don't seem to make sense, and take into account the realities of the activity.


Now, I've seen and heard debates defending body armor for horseback riding. In fact I've seen those debates take place in front of the Maryland General Assembly, back when they last tried to ban the private ownership of body armor in Maryland.

Maryland has a vibrant horseracing industry, and it appears that it's a common practice for those who work, train, and ride those horses to wear armor to protect them when they fall off the horse. Now I can't say whether those in the business are buying ballistic protection, or armor the horseracing industry developed specifically for racing. But they argued the legislation would have affected the armor they wear because they are so similar as to be impossible to write language that banned one without encompassing the other.


Anyway. Somewhat off topic. But it is an example an appropriate, sensible use of body armor outside of the standard, traditional applications.

 

[StandingTall]

Just the other day I read a article about a Marine who killed a man with a firearm on account of he was trying to cure the hiccups. Dumb stuff happens and on my range you wear a vest as an instructor or range officer.

It was a soldier, not a Marine. And the gun was pointed at the victim's head. The armor you are promoting would not have helped him.
http://everythinglubbock.com/fulltext?nxd_id=120822

Do you propose that we all start wearing Kevlar helmets "just in case"?

 

[hso]

HY,

What level IV plates are you putting in the PIG carrier and what do they cost for each?

Since I do wear a carrier and plates for courses I'm interested in what you're using.

Thanks

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Was a solider once, was a cop once, run a security business and still like to get in the field from time to time, a firearms instructor and competitor and avid hunter. Needless to say, I'm around a firearm of some sort most of every waking day, and wear armor of some sort on the ones that don't start in "S".

I hunt from tree stand, tripods, tent blinds, big blinds with office chairs in them, on foot, from a four wheeler, I really want to do the helicopter thing.. Anyways, the point is I've been there done that, have the skins on the wall, and there's no way in hell I'm lugging my plate carrier out there with me.

Coming from a guy who wears armor enough the I have random callouses where the carriers rub... that should say something. I've seen a lot of innovation in the industry since I was issued my first PASGT many years ago, but I have yet to find anything that I would call comfortable. If it stops bullets, it sucks to wear. The trade off, not stopping bullets sucks worse.

If there is enough threat in your hunting environment to consider armor, find somewhere else to hunt.

Never felt the need to wear one instructing either. If I get to the range portion of a class and the students are still doing things that could get me shot, I screwed up pretty hard in the classroom portion of the class.

 

[JohnM]

The well dressed hunter.
All that's left to put on is the blaze orange ballistic cloth overall with attached hood.

 

[hso]

There are level iv 4-5 pounders.

Please provide a link to the specific product you're referring to.
I can't find anything that fits your description.

 

[Old Dog]

I have been hunting, on and off, for the past 42 years and have never, ever met any hunter who'd admit wearing body armor while hunting.

I've also never heard of "Level IV plates" weighing 3 or 4 pounds ... and if one is gonna wear plates while hunting, I'd ask, as others have already, what's the point if you're not wearing a helmet as well? And ballistic goggles/glasses?

I've hunted all over Michigan and Wisconsin with all those darn chucklehead once-a-year guys from Detroit or Chicago out in the woods, maybe once heard a round whistle near me ...

... although, were my dear grandma still around, she'd wish she could outfit her cows with armor -- every year, it seemed, some dude with from Detroit would shoot one of her cows, apparently not understanding the differences in deer/cow physical characteristics ...

 

[armoredman]

If they are in my home, does it qualify as urban hunting?



I probably don't have that adjusted right, never had one before.

 

[BullfrogKen]

If they are in my home, does it qualify as urban hunting?

No.


But I would like to see one of these elusive 4-5 pound plates that'll stop hunting ammunition . . .

 

[bigfatdave]

The simple fact is more people are injured or die every year falling from tree stands

so obviously everyone should wear a bulky thing with extra weight and straps to snag on every branch you pass by, right?

If they are in my home, does it qualify as urban hunting?

isn't the difference whether you're going to eat the thing you're gunning for?
edible = hunting
inedible = varmint removal or protecting livestock

 

[armoredman]

Nah, we have hunting regs for many inedible varmints out here.
"Ya low down, dry gulchin' coyote, you've just met yer match!" Or something like that, to stay in Southwestern character.

 

[hyattnc]

There are Level IV small and medium plates which run 3-4 lbs by BAE systems. There are many other variations out there as well made boron carbide. The largest plate is about 5 lbs.

https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=7710-1

My personal choice is to go with a plate one size lower than what would be appropriate. Lets say you wear a large than go with a medium. Less coverage but but less weight and more mobility.

The heat problem is solved by the PIG with channels. Look at it in the pictures and you can see the channels and these are created by foam block inserts. Right there solves the problem of heat and you will see that in future concealable armor. The heat rises up through a channel created by foam ridges on the inside.

 

[armoredman]

Ye gods that's expensive! My whole setup cost just over $200 from AR500Armor http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29906, and it's Level III. Yeah, it's a few pounds heavier, but if I quit eating cheeseburgers for a few weeks I can make up the difference. No need to handle steel with care, either.

 

[tomrkba]

One looks funny wearing only armor and tighty-whities. Just sayin'.

 

[BullfrogKen]

There are Level IV small and medium plates which run 3-4 lbs by BAE systems. There are many other variations out there as well made boron carbide. The largest plate is about 5 lbs.

https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=7710-1

My personal choice is to go with a plate one size lower than what would be appropriate. Lets say you wear a large than go with a medium. Less coverage but but less weight and more mobility.

OK. You own one of these?



I call Bullcrap.

First of all - This is a restricted sale item. From right on the page you linked to -

MILITARY or LEO ID REQUIRED

THIS IS A BALLISTIC PROTECTION ITEM! TACTICAL ADVANTAGE REQUIRES A COPY OF YOUR MILITARY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT ID FOR VERIFICATION BEFORE SHIPMENT. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS COMPANY POLICY.

So the average citizen - a hunter - can't even buy it. At least not through the company link you provided.

Secondly - This plate requires soft armor underneath it to provide rifle level protection.

The SPEAR Cut Low Visibility plate provides rifle-threat protection (when worn with soft armor) . . .

Lastly - It doesn't even stop .308 Winchester/7.62X51 Nato rounds. This is only rated .223 and 7.62X39 - when worn with soft armor!

Ballistic Performance: M855, 7.62x39 MSC, 7.62x39 API

So keep searching the web . . . because I call Bullcrap on you owning this . . . and at this point even any armor at all.

The heat problem is solved by the PIG with channels. Look at it in the pictures and you can see the channels and these are created by foam block inserts. Right there solves the problem of heat and you will see that in future concealable armor. The heat rises up through a channel created by foam ridges on the inside.

Really? You haven't ever even hunted in your life, have you?

Wearing a jacket that doesn't even lay against my skin makes me sweat after a mile or two. Start walking with a carrier weighed down, laying against your body, and you'll sweat. Even if you put "foam block inserts" inside the layers. It not about whether I'll be hot, it's about getting wet from sweat. And putting on 10 lbs of plates that trap fabric against my skin guarantees my clothes will get wet.


Try again. You're coming across as totally uncredible.

 

[Hunterdad]

He's trying to sell us armor, plain and simple. He's never walked in a field before or come out of his moms basement. It really drives me crazy to see posts like this.

 

[tomrkba]

He's trying to sell us armor, plain and simple. He's never walked in a field before or come out of his moms basement. It really drives me crazy to see posts like this.

We really should own armor, just not for hunting critters. Armor will be priceless if anything ever happens. Better to have it and not need it...

 

[Hunterdad]

If the day comes that I need to wear armor on a day-to-day basis to go buy milk, it's not a world I want to live in.

 

[bigfatdave]

One looks funny wearing only armor and tighty-whities. Just sayin'.

so lose the tighty-whiteys

 

[Art Eatman]

Post #33 looks like Ralph Nader's idea of a safe hunter.

I'd like to see some Mr. Safe go on a walking hunt in my Solitario country. Twelve or fifteen miles upping and downing and dodging prickly pear and mesquite? He'd need a Medevac chopper on speed dial.

All that load would be really, really fun in the Rockies' high country. Guys try to pare a pound or two off a rifle; doubt they'd add a bunch of idiocy to the load.

 

[hso]

I see quite a few guys out there on the hunt wearing some type of armor nowadays.

At $1200-$1600 for a set of plates I can't accept "quite a few guys" hunting in armor like this. I can't accept that they'd be hunting in the heavier cheaper armor. As a "dealer" you might be able to afford to, but not very many others would.

See, I've actually worked with a body armor development company that met the multistrike NIJ IV criteria at the weights you've suggested and am somewhat familiar with the various types, weights and prices of body armor they were competing with. No one at SHOT promoted it for that purpose and your's is the first time I've seen it suggested for use in hunting.

That's not saying that you, personally, don't feel the need so keenly that you'd go to the expense to use it for hunting, but I can't imagine that there are too many others with the discretionary incomes to afford it that wouldn't/couldn't rather pay to hunt on private property that they wouldn't need to put up with the discomfort.

 

[armoredman]

Ya know, next time I get out hunting, (hard to do with no weekend days off any more. ), I'll take that rig of mine along, and give an honest report on how long I could stand it. If nothing else, good cardio workout. I'll make sure I'm with other hunters who will know to slap me silly later and tell me what a dumb thing that was to do in public.