What Liberals Want - the Constitution in 2020

[Nehemiah Scudder]

Here's the irony with the "liberal activist" judge bit. The majority of judges were appointed by Republicans. And a lot are self identified "conservatives".

Talk about a case of eating your own.

 

[bjbarron]

Just a quick reply before I have to go to work.

You asked for examples, I gave them. If you don't agree with my examples...well, that's the breaks of the game.

If requiring a 14 year old to inform her parents of an abortion is 'conservative' then I plead guilty. How about I plead to being a parent (mine are all grown up now, safely thank you)...does that mean I don't have an interest in the matter? In a narrow legal definition, I probably don't. Narrow legal definations are just that...narrow. There is also the little matter of what is right and desired by the majority.

The purpose of the bill of rights was to protect the minority from the majority...there is nothing in the constitution about judges forcing that minority viewpoint on the majority.

I also said that there were as many wingnuts as moonbats...you make it sound as if the moonbats are a rare happenstance...while the wingnuts are taking over the judicial world. I don't see it that way. For every guy like Judge Moore, there are a dozen going the other way.

 

[2nd Amendment]

No one has named an "activist" Liberal Judge who has "eroded freedom". That was the original charge.

And you were in fact given several. You chose not to acknowledge the fact, thus changing the rules.

In contrast, I named Judge Roy Moore as an activist conservative Judge, whose defiance of court orders, statutes, case law, and professional standards pf conduct were so outrageous that he was removed from his State's Supreme Court.

But Moore was correct, thus it's a bit difficult to call him "activist". How others reacted based on their own errors is inconsequential.

By the way, a very large percentage of abortions are sought by teenagers who have been sexually abused.

Around 10 or 15%, yes. But that's not what you said anyway so it's immaterial. You cited a very narrowly defined case of incest to defend your support of a cited instance of leftist judicial activism. "Sexual abuse" does not automatically translate into the example you used and if it does not then sexual abuse is essentially irrelevent to the question of whether a child should have to inform their parents prior to ANY major medical procedure.

Also by the way, the reason I suggested folks read the Roe opinion is for a history lesson. Abortion is a practice that is thousands of years old. It was not recognized as a sin under Jewish law, and if someone caused a pregnant woman to miscarry before the "quickening", the penalty was less severe than
that for murder. The Roman Catholic Church did not oppose abortion before the 18th century.
Its a very informative read.

All having nothing to do with the topic of the discussion, activist judges, and their consequences for freedom and nothing to do with the point you were making in regard to this specific issue's legitimacy.

 

[Kaylee]

As a side note to the thread.. I fail to see exactly how a legal situation that allows a child who's the victim of incest to continue to hide the crime by having a secret abortion is supposed to be something we want. Ethics of abortion aside
(which I wouldn't want to get into even if it wasn't a verboten topic on THR, which it is ) -- how exactly is it kind, merciful, or even common sense to help a kid hide that kind of abuse so she can go right back to living in it?

 

[ravinraven]

Name one...

...termite that actually took one bite out of that old, dead, broken down oak tree. Oh. You can't name one termite? Well, obviously, the tree is in perfect shape and its rumored demise is nothing but right wing propaganda.

Any judge participating in judicial activism is harming the US I don't care what his name is. He/she/they/it is/are commiting unconstitutional acts designed to gradually pervert the law making system in this country to cause lawmaking to be done by a small group of people who never answer to the voter. A sort of a Taliban, it could be said.

Judicial activism is a large part of the G.A.S.P. program [Great American Suicide Plan]

rr

 

[Chrontius]

Quote:
5. The EPA- to help us get clean air and water.

Another "nice idea" turned into a multi-billion dollar bureaucratic boondoggle.

I call BS. When someone dumps dioxin into a sinkhole and unleashes enough pesticides on the aquifer to give anyone who eats local fish teenie weenie weenies, cleanup is expensive. When someone used agent orange laced motor oil to spray down dirt roads, the EPA was forced to buy an entire town because nobody else would provide the funds to get the city's residents out of what is now a giant toxic waste dump.

This is why when I hear the 'I have a right to do what I want with my property' line I am immediately pissed. You do not have a right to do anything with external costs that mean a couple million bucks for you, but cost taxpayers a few billion in cleanups.

If requiring a 14 year old to inform her parents of an abortion is 'conservative' then I plead guilty. How about I plead to being a parent (mine are all grown up now, safely thank you)...does that mean I don't have an interest in the matter? In a narrow legal definition, I probably don't. Narrow legal definations are just that...narrow. There is also the little matter of what is right and desired by the majority.

The purpose of the bill of rights was to protect the minority from the majority...there is nothing in the constitution about judges forcing that minority viewpoint on the majority.

Oh come now. You weren't forced to have an abortion, were you? That sortof thing actually does happen -- in Communist China. There's no forcing going on here. Doctors are not forced to perform them. The only forcing even possible to argue is police forcing people to not kill abortion providers and bomb clinics.


Here's what a classical liberal wants in the constitution: A guaranteed right to privacy. The thought that my walls are transparent to infrared cameras gives me the screaming heebie-jeebies, and there seems to be no effective way to counter this effect. (Lining walls with tinfoil, perhaps? ) It's neither a search nor a seizure, but it's damn well an intrusion.


Further Reading, For Those Interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Beach,_Missouri
Good summary. Made it into biology class.

http://damagevaluation.com/v-web/b2.../30/the_courier_journal_louisville_kentucky_2
Not the example cited in biology class.