What rifle would be ideal for hunting in Michigan?

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I mostly plan to hunt deer, but eventually I'd like to try black bear hunting (it'll take some time to get a permit, i need to collect points and such). I'd like to get just one rifle for this purpose (not really interested in a shotgun at this time), and am a bit unsure of what caliber would be ideal. Where I'm going to be hunting is mostly dense foliage, but there is an occasional clearing or two. Regardless, i don't think any range over 100 yards will be necessary. I'm thinking a .30-30, or a bolt-action chambered in .243, or 7mm-08 might be the thing, but i'm not sure if a .243 would be sufficient for black bear (i've heard conflicting opinions in this regard). Also I suspect that there really isn't that much of a difference in these three cartridges, at least when it comes to the range I anticipate shooting at. Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
Marlin 336 in 35 Remington. It's a perfect combo for Michigan! ( I spent the first 30 years of my life there :) )

FWIW, a .30-30 would be fine as well, but the 35 Rem has more "thump."
 
.243w is just fine for Black Bears, as I have had no problems at all, with doing them well in one shot.
I use Rem corlocks 100 grain.
Blacks are woods Bears and the range usualy very close.

"Today" My personal "Bear Gun" is my Sako M-39, the all around cure for any animal I look to eat.

And remember, Black Bear is DELICIOUS, so treat you meat good.
 
Hi Mike...

The .243 and 30/30 and 7mm/08 are all fine for the hunting you describe, including black bear. The 7mm/08 is actually quite a bit more power and muzzle blast than you would need so it might teach you to flinch a bit.
Ammo is readily available for all three. For the .243 you should use the 95-grain or 100-grain bullets and for the 7mm/08 the 140-grain bullets will be great. You don't need any of the expensive "premium" ammo for deer. The regular ammo you find at Walmart from Remington or Winchester or Federal will be fine.

The .243 and 7mm/08 are available in a splendid deer rifle - the bolt-action Remington model Seven. It's a bit pricey but you might find a used one.

BE SURE to check the laws to make sure you can use a .243 for black bear. The non-geniuses at the so-called Game Dept. may have some silly restrictions on calibers that can be used for black bears.

The 30/30 is easiest to find in the lever-actions - primarily the Marlin 336 and the Winchester 94. And the Marlin and Winchester lever guns will be a lot less expensive than other action types - especially if you buy "used". I just bought a very nice Winchester 94 for $225 tax included and recently bought a mint-condition Marlin 336 for $250+tax.

At the ranges you stated you might well not need a scope but a low-power (2x etc.) sure brightens dark areas as well as early and late in the day. The Marlin 336 is easy to mount a scope on. The Winchester 94 is not really designed for a scope and is a PITA to put one on.
On the downside - scopes kinda interfere with the wonderful carrying qualities of the lever guns.
If you decide to stay with iron sights on a lever gun I earnestly advise you to get a set of Williams 5D aperture sights for it (about $45-$50). They are 100 time better than the sights that come on those rifles from the factory.

A better question to ask yourself is whether you would handle a bolt-action or lever-action better. If you don't know, visit a gun store and try one or two of each. Remember that fast shots are not really often a part of ethical game shooting. Always make the first shot count... or don't shoot. It's more important that the rifle feel "natural" to you and is lined up well when you shoulder it.

The two common bullet weights for the 30/30 are 150-grain and 170-grain. Many people think bigger is always better but in this case "bigger" is nothing but more recoil. The 150-grain bullets are fine for both deer and bear.

For the hunting you describe, I would probably opt for one of the lever guns in 30/30 with a Williams' aperture sight.

One of the other posters mentioned the .35 Remington cartridge in a Marlin lever gun. That caliber has been cleanly killing deer and black bear for decades. But as they said - "it's a "thumper" - but it's a "thumper" on both ends so keep that in mind.

The .243 and 30/30 are two of the very best deer calibers you can buy. That's the easy part. Finding a rifle type that suits you at a price you want to pay is where the work is.

Good luck !

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7mm-08 would be a great choice, but I'd go with a .308. Ammo is cheaper and hits just a tad harder. While the .243 is a great deer round, I personally wouldn't use it for bear. I can't imagine you'd get much of a blood trail with that little bullet, especially if you don't get an exit wound. 30-06 would also be a great round for you, but it kicks harder than the .308 with very little gain.
 
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Marlin 336 in 35 Remington. It's a perfect combo for Michigan!

If you like levers that's probably the way to go.

Unless you're lucky enough to latch onto the nice scoped Remington 141 pump in .35rem I saw in Williams Gunsite's used rack the other day...
 
i hunt with an old .35 rem pump with iron sights here in northern mi its a great round at the ranges you are most likely to be using it.
 
My vote would be with the .35 Remington in a Marlin 336 over any .243 for a general hunting rifle. An even better choice for deer and bear would be a
.308 winchester low recoil good power and a wide selection of bullet choices.
 
west side of mich and love my 141 rem in 35 best gun for mich ever made imo best in the brush bullet dosent tumble like other calabers
 
I think a .308 would be a better all around rifle than the ones you listed.
When I went to buy my son his first deer rifle, I looked till I found a Remington 788 in .308.
 
Having grown up in Minnesota, we used pretty much nothing but Marlin and Winchester 30-30 lever action guns...
 
My landlady's brother hunted in Michigan with a .30-06 Mauser sporter, given to high-producing employees by his boss in the pre-import Detroit auto industry.
He also had a Spencer carbine, bought from the guy whose land he hunted on. Got it for $10 because there was no more ammo available for it in the early 1950s. Good killer while the .56-52 lasted, the man said.
 
In dense foliage a round nose and flat nose bullet works better than a pointed bullet therefore .35, .30-30 etc.
 
The more I hear about the taste of bear meat, the more I think I might wait on that. So I guess my requirements are revised to just deer at this point, with the possible attempt at a turkey (provided I'm satisfied that I'd be able to get a neck shot). So would .243 probably be ideal for me?
 
Where are you hunting? Make sure you are in a rifle zone, for the lower portion of the state you can only use a shotgun for deer. Please verify this before you go out. Also, I don't think it is legal in Michigan to turkey hunt with a rifle. I know some states you can, but I don't think Michigan is one of them.
 
I have a .243, 30-06 and .35/336. Virtually ALL my hunting is with the .35. A 336 is an ideal woods gun even if you don'l like levers. Balanced and stocked like a good wing shooting shotgun, it's good for anything inside 200 yards. Few deer are seen, fewer are actually hit beyond that range.

I dearly love my bolt rifles but... truth be told...the 336/.35 works fine and is actually best in heavy cover.

Nothing, fast or slow, round nose or pointy, can knock down pencil size limbs or saplings and still fly true. So get a clear shot if you can before pulling the trigger with anything.
 
I know some states you can, but I don't think Michigan is one of them.
I looked through the guide and didn't see anything about it, but I probably didn't look all that close, so i definitely need to verify that. I'm going to be hunting in the Northern L.P. in a rifle zone (zone 2) so I'd like to use a rifle of some stripe.


EDIT: Blast, just checked and your right, you can only use a shotgun for turkey. Ah well I'll just stick to deer for now then.
 
Any old rifle will do, most shots in MI aren't very long and a quick follow up shot might be needed. Lever actions, pumps are good choices. Iron sights or a low power scope.

As far as Turkeys go, you can get a decent (used) pump 12 guage shotgun for about $100.
 
I'm always surprised at the variety of guns that show up in deer camp. There are the typical 94's & Marlins along with quite a few Savage 99's, a lot of pumps, some bolts and very rarely a semi shows up. The one common bond is just about everyone uses some sort of 30 caliber round, be it a .300 savage, 30/30, .308 or 30-06. Some of the young guy's show up with bolt action 300 win mags. Im usually the odd man out switching every year season it will be a Marlin 444 and a Tikka 25-06 stainless, man it was really funny when some of the really old guys asked why my rifle was silver. Good luck this year with what every you choose.
 
if you are wanting to hunt turkey also why not buy a 12ga. i have a winchester thats ideal for turkey with rifle sights and its factory drilled and tapped. i havnet gotten a turkey permit for it but i did use it durig deer season last year and got a nice doe with it.

i live and hunt in zone 2 and have no problem using a shotgun slug rather than a rifle bullet. dont know how it would do on a bear but sounds like your not to serious about hunting them anyway.
 
After giving it some thought and consideration I think I'm just going to get a .30-30. It should be more than sufficient for deer (at the range i'd use at least) and if i decide in the future to try for a black bear, it should work for that to.
 
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