What small carry guns need to be chambered in .22lr?

[CoyoteSix]

Not as defensive pieces but as trainers.

I think a LCP, S&W Bodyguard .380, and Sig's 238/938 in .22 would be a great product. Ruger already made a great step in chambering the LCR and SP101 in .22lr

What other carry guns would you folks want in .22? (Considering you could feed them.)

 

[aarondhgraham]

Here is a list you might find helpful,,,

Here is a list you might find helpful,,,
Myself and a lot of other folk compiled this about a year ago.

It's certainly not the definitive list of centerfire/rimfire pairs,,,
But it does show all that we could think of at the time.

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Astra: Constable in .380 ACP & Constable in .22 LR.

Beretta: Cheetah (84, 85, 86 series) in .380 & Cheetah 87 in .22LR. (I own the 85/87 pair).

Beretta: Model 70 in .32 & Model 71 in .22 LR.

Beretta: Bobcat in .25 ACP/.32 ACP & Bobcat in .22 LR.

Beretta-ish: Chia Pet,,, eerrr,,, Chiappa model 92 in .22 LR.

Bersa: Thunder .380 & Thunder .22 LR. (I own this pair).

Bersa: Firestorm .380 & Firestorm .22 LR.

Charter Arms: Undercover in .38 Special & Pathfinder in .22 LR (A lady friend owns/loves them both).

Colt: S.A.A. & Colt S.A.A. .22 (same full size frame 1st. gen.)

Colt: S.A.A. & Colt Peacemaker .22

Colt: New Frontier & Colt New Frontier .22

Colt: Bisley & Colt Bisley .22 (Never a factory offering..but popular conversion in 20's thru 50's)

Colt: Trooper Mk III in .357 Mag & Trooper Mk III in .22LR. (I own this pair).

Colt: Diamondback in .38 Special & Diamondback in .22 LR.

Colt: Officers Model Match in .38 Special & Officers Model Match in .22 LR.

Colt: 1911 in .45ACP & 1911 Ace in .22 LR.

Colt-ish:

• Chiappa = made by Chiappa

• Puma = made by Chiappa

• Bersa American Classic 22 = made by Chiappa

• GSG = made by GSG

• Sig = made by GSG

• Colt = made by Walther/Umarex

• Browning = made by Browning (not full size)


CZ: CZ-75B in 9mm & CZ-75B Kadet in .22LR. (I own this pair and the Kadet rocks!).

Daewoo: Model DH380 in .380acp and the Model DP52 in .22 LR.

EAA: Witness Combo 9mm/.22 LR. Sold with both a 9mm and a .22 LR upper.

EAA: Witness Combo .45/.22 LR. Sold with both a .45 and a .22 LR upper.

Erma: Erma ESP 85A in .32 S&W & Erma ESP 85A in .22 LR.

Hammerli: Hammerli 280 in .32 S&W Long WC & Hammerli 280 in .22 LR (Funky looking target pistol).

Hammerli: Hammerli P240 in .38 WC/.32 & Hammerli P240 in .22 LR.

Heckler & Koch: HK4 in .380/.32/.25 & HK4 in .22LR (First pistol produced by H&K).

Korth: Sport or Combat in .357 Magnum & Sport or Combat in .22 LR.

Manhurin: Manhurin MR 73 in .357/.38/9mm/.332 S&W Long & Manhurin MR 73 in .22LR (standard issue with France's elite police and military Special Weapons and Tactics teams).

Ruger: Single-Six in .32 H&R Magnum & Single-Six in .22 LR.

Ruger: SP-101 in .38/.357 & SP-101 in .22LR,,,
This is the old style with full lug barrels and non-adjustable sights

Ruger: SP-101 in .38/.357 & SP-101 in .22LR,,,
This is the new style with fiber optic front and adjustable rear sight.
The one difference between the two is the half lug barrel on the .22 version.

Ruger: LCR-38/357 & LCR-22

Sig: SIG P220 in .45 & P220 Classic 22 in .22 LR.

Sig: SIG P226 in .357 Sig /.40S&W & P226 Classic 22 in .22LR.

Sig: SIG P229 in 9mm/.357 Sig/.40 S&W & P229 Classic 22 in .22 LR.
There is an interesting thing about these .22 Sigs,,,
Sig sells the SIG SAUER X-CHANGE Kit™ conversion kit for all three of the Classic 22's,,,
That kit converts the .22 pistol up to shoot the appropriate centerfire cartridges.

Star: Model H or HN in 380ACP & Model HF or HK in 22LR.

S&W: Model 36 in .38 Special & Model 34 in .22LR. (I own this pair).

S&W: Model 16-4 in .32 H&R Magnum & Model 617 in .22 LR.
(The 16-4 is the only version that has a full-lug barrel to exactly match the 617.)

S&W: Model 15 in .38 Special & Model 18 in .22LR. (I own this pair).

S&W: Model 14 in .38 Special & Model 17 in .22LR.

S&W: Model 10 in .38 Special & Model 45 in .22LR. (very rare and I want one)

S&W: Model 60 in .38 Special and Model 63 in .22 LR.

S&W: Model 442 in .38 Special & Model 43 C in .22 LR.

S&W: Model 681 in .357 Mag & Model 617 in .22 LR.

S&W: M&P (9mm, .357 Auto, .40, & .45) / M&P .22.

Taurus: Model 25--- in .25 ACP & PT22 in 22 LR.

Taurus: PLY in .25 ACP & PLY in .22 LR. (I own this pair).

Walther: P1 in 9mm/.30 Luger & P1 in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PP in .380 & Walther PP in .22LR.

Walther: Walther GSP in .32 S&W Long WC & Walther GSP in .22LR.

Walther: Walther TPH in .25 ACP & Walther TPH in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK in .380 & Walther PPK in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK/L in .380 & Walther PPK/L in .22 LR.

Walther: Walther PPK/S in .380 & Walther PPK/S in .22 LR.

Conversion kits,,,


Beretta: Beretta 92 in 9mm & Beretta 92 Series .22 LR Practice Kit.

1911: Advantage Arms (advantagearms.com).

1911: Marvel Conversion Kit (www.marvelprecision.com).

1911: Kimber .22 conversion kit. http://store.kimberamerica.com

Glock: Advantage Arms (advantagearms.com).

Tactical Solutions .22 conversion kit for the Glock 17/22

Ciener: 22 Conversion Kits for 1911, Beretta/Taurus, Browning Hi-Power, and Glock. www.22lrconversions.com

Twisted Industries: 22lr conversion for the Kel Tec 9mm PF9 and P11.

 

[CoyoteSix]

Thank for that list! I'm currently researching alot of those products now.

 

[C0untZer0]

Rohrbaugh R9

 

[aarondhgraham]

My thoughts on .22's as understudy guns,,,

To address the original question,,,
I would like to see an N-Frame S&W revolver chambered for .22 rimfire.

But since the Model 686 has the K-Frame grip size,,,
The K-Frame S&W Model 617 is pretty darned close to it.

I think Glock is missing the boat by not introducing a rimfire pistol to their line,,,
But there are several kits on the market that can convert a Glock to shoot .22 rimfire.

I'm with the OP here,,,
I believe a Ruger LCP in .22 rimfire would sell like hotcakes.

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There are a lot of people who think that .22 versions are not worthwhile,,,
I fall into the group that thinks they are very worthwhile for practice and training.

A person can dry fire a million trigger pulls,,,
And a person can also do any number of practice drills,,,
But the only thing that will truly train a person is a lot of shooting.

Many folk simply can't afford enough centerfire ammunition to become proficient,,,
Remember, the handgun is a one time only cost but feeding it over the years will add up to a large chunk of change.

Up until recently,,,
When .22 ammo became the new Gold Standard,,,
Rimfire ammunition was the least expensive way to get in real shooting.

The people who say it's worthless always point out these reasons:

• The trigger pull is different.
• The gun weighs less than a centerfire.
• The recoil is much less than with centerfire ammunition.
• For the price of the rimfire handgun you could have purchased lots of centerfire ammo.

Hey, these people aren't necessarily wrong,,,
And I'm not trying to change their minds on the subject,,,
But I try to show another take on the subject with these statements:

Yes, the trigger pull will be different,,,
But is it different enough to really matter?

Yes, the weight of the gun will certainly change,,,
But is the difference between 10 rounds of .22 and 16 rounds of 9mm that much?

Yes, the recoil factor is certainly a valid point,,,
One must get used to the recoil of a centerfire cartridge,,,
So shoot both handguns every time you go out to the range,,,
My standard thing is 50 rounds of rimfire followed by 10 rounds of centerfire.

Lather - Rinse - Repeat,,,
A half a brick of .22 and one box of 9mm is a nice range trip for me.

The cost of a second handgun is certainly a good point,,,
In fact it's the only argument against rimfire handguns I find to be truly valid.

My CZ-75B Kadet cost me a cool $600.00 when I purchased it two years ago,,,
Full metal jacket training ammo for the CZ-75B in 9mm averages about $15.00 for a 50 round box.

600 divided by 15 equals 40 boxes of 9mm,,,
That's only 2,000 rounds of centerfire practice,,,
With bulk packs or bricks of .22 running around $25.00 per 500 rounds,,,
That same $600.00 would buy you 12,000 rounds of rimfire ammo for cheap practice.

Right now I am teaching a university undergraduate to shoot,,,
When she turns 21 years of age she will inherit her grandfathers S&W Model 36,,,
So our shooting sessions consist of 5 cylinders of 5 rounds out of my Model 34 snub-nose then 5 rounds of .38 Special out of my Model 36 snub-nose.

A typical after school range session is 100 rounds of rimfire and 20 rounds of centerfire,,,
This happens once a week and she can afford it on her budget.

She's getting pretty good and I firmly believe it is because she (we) can afford for her to shoot a lot and more often.

Enough rambling,,,

Aarond

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[MedWheeler]

The Kel-Tec PF9 can be converted with a Twisted Industries conversion kit. I think one for the P32 and/or P3-AT would be pretty cool.

 

[BCRider]

From pictures a VERY close comparison can be made between the Glock center fire guns and the ISSC brand pistol that looks extremely Glock like.

 

[MedWheeler]

For size and feel, yes. The action, though, is different, as the ISSC is a DA/SA, hammer-fired piece. Still, should feel good in the hands of those for whom Glocks "fit".

 

[Onward Allusion]

I wished they made those H&R Young Americans again. Except, it would be with modern steel, would have a swing out 7 shot cylinder, transfer bar, and be chambered in 22LR instead of 22 Long. It would be a pocket piece that can be hidden in the palm.

 

[Jim K]

Hi, aarondhgraham,

Just curious, but have you ever handled a full size large frame revolver (like an SAA) in .22? If you get one you better eat your Wheaties!

Jim

 

[Zaydok Allen]

My answer is none. If you are carrying a gun or using one for defense of any brand, you should be practicing with that gun and in that cartridge. Not with a identical gun in .22.

IMO, .22 is good for three things.

Plinking

Rodent or small game, short range hunting

Learning sight picture, and for this, just pick a gun you like. It doesn't need to be identical to your small carry gun. Sight picture is sight picture.

All three can be accomplished with a full size gun in .22lr or .22 mag, wich is better at accomplishing all three than a small carry sized .22.

 

[aarondhgraham]

Hello Jim K,,,

Just curious, but have you ever handled a full size large frame revolver (like an SAA) in .22? If you get one you better eat your Wheaties!

As a matter of fact I just purchased something very close to that,,,
I own a 7.5", J. P, Sauer & Sohn SAA clone in .357 Magnum,,,
I recently purchased a Hawes Western Marshall in .22 LR,,,
The Hawes was manufactured by J. P. Sauer & Sohns.

Both guns are full size frames,,,
And yes it's the heaviest of my .22 revolvers,,,
With maybe the exception of my venerable 6" Colt Trooper Mk-III.

Set the Hawes beside my Colt Frontier Scout and it looks gigantic.

I've been told that the frame of the Hawes 22 would be smaller than the .357,,,
But if there is any difference in size I surely can't find it,,,
Being a pot metal gun it is a bit lighter though.

But if you are going to have an understudy gun in rimfire,,,
I think you want the weight to be as close as possible to the centerfire version.

I love the fact that my S&W Model 15/18 pair are virtually identical in weight,,,
In actuality the Model 18 might be a wee bit heavier than the 15,,,
Smaller cartridge chambers means a slightly heavier cylinder.

My .22 trooper is definitely heavier than my .357 trooper,,,
That's because of the 6" barrel on the .22,,,
The .357 is a 4" barreled gun.

Aarond

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[aarondhgraham]

Twisted industries just sent me an E-mail,,,

Thank you all for your patience waiting for our LC9-22LR conversion which was originally meant to be released in FEBUARY!!! Due to the fact that Ruger will not sell us the parts we need in bulk, we had to make some changes. The main change you will notice is that the LC9-22LR magazine no longer comes with the OEM Ruger extension on the bottom. Although, if you would like the OEM Ruger bottom, the floor plate is totally exchangeable. You can purchase them direct from Ruger at shopruger.com/

Here is a direct link to a hidden order page. This gives you that have been on the waiting list top priority.

Click here please.

I just ordered a new LC9 for myself,,,
I doubt if I will order the conversion kit right now,,,
It might be a present for myself in the spring of next year,,,
I would prefer to let someone else work the bugs out of their new product.

Aarond

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