What the Heck is with "Zombie Max" Ammo
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Zombie ammmo
If this ammo is actually used for self defense or "social" purposes,what will the political factors be? I have wondered about this since the first time I saw it advertised. Thoughts? Opinions?
If this ammo is actually used for self defense or "social" purposes,what will the political factors be? I have wondered about this since the first time I saw it advertised. Thoughts? Opinions?
gunfighter48
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See, it works great doesn't it!!!!!!!!!!!! Keeps them evil zombies away!!
If you want to know the specs of say the 9mm load then all you gotta do is look up the specs of the 9mm hornady critical defense load. My buddy has the 9 critical defense and the 9 ZombieMax and visually the only difference is CD has a red polymer insert while the ZM has a green polymer insert and the CD brass is nickel plated (I think) while the ZM is plain brass which is probably why its 3-4 bucks cheaper. And every box of ZombieMax has the bullet grains printed on it.
451 Detonics
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All it is is Hornaday V-Max with green instead of red polymer tips in rifle and as other have stated same as the Critical Defense in handgun. Same bullet weights, velocities, etc. I have found the 9mm as low as $13.29 a box.
If it somehow offends you then don't buy it, I found it to be humorous and I do own a couple boxes.
If it somehow offends you then don't buy it, I found it to be humorous and I do own a couple boxes.
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HoosierQ
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Sorry, I have not been able to make myself clear. Sounds like it is VMAX and Critical Defense (bullets anyway). Heck yeah I'll buy it if it is good ammo at a good price. It seems quite available to. I just wanted to know what it was. I am by no means above participating in somebody's marketing program if there's something in it for me.
Now we need a line of "Skinwalker Defense" ammo...now there's something we really need (or folks in the four corners region sure do anyway).
OTOH
Some deranged numbskull is going to use this stuff to shoot somebody in a dramatic way (e.g. Tuscon) and the media with have a field day. They'll do an "investigative report", heaven knows they'll have no trouble coming up with zombie threads even here at The High Road (I shudder to think what it must be like at less moderated places) and guess what...ammo gets some kind of regulations...and we're all shooting FMJ or cast lead. While I personally don't have a problem with this stuff...my own sensibilities are at worst sort of bemused...all this Zombie business achieves just what the media would like to do...paint gun owners as a bunch of overgrown kids with the sense of same.
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Don't worry, someone will be filing a lawsuit soon because their son shot someone with the zombie ammo thinking it was like the ammo used in a video game. You know the ammo used in video games right? You find it laying around and when you shoot people, or get shot yourself, you come back to life, "Respawn" pretty quickly.
It is a successful marketing ploy. They get to take advantage of all the TV shows and games about zombies without paying any royalties to said zombies. Everything I have seen has had a couple of bucks upcharge so I will just hold off and hope my normal ammo will handle the zombies when they come. I also have not been practicing using the zombie targets so I am hoping I will be accurate shooting at zombies. If not then I will have made a critical mistake and will pay by having my brains eaten.
It is a successful marketing ploy. They get to take advantage of all the TV shows and games about zombies without paying any royalties to said zombies. Everything I have seen has had a couple of bucks upcharge so I will just hold off and hope my normal ammo will handle the zombies when they come. I also have not been practicing using the zombie targets so I am hoping I will be accurate shooting at zombies. If not then I will have made a critical mistake and will pay by having my brains eaten.
There you go, the reason it's on the market somewhat like the pet rock.
Sorry can't/won't buy ammo with a Zombie picture, now if it cost less then we could talk.
quote(...paint gun owners as a bunch of overgrown kids with the sense of same.)quote
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bigfatdave
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yeah, I don't know where you could possibly get specs on the ZombieMax ammo ... unless you looked on the box!
Clearly written on the box flap:
45AUTO
185 GR Z-MAX
#90902
Muzzle / 50yds/ 100yds
1000fps/ 936 / 883
ClickClickD'oh
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I would love nothing more than to see the media try to whip up a firestorm around Zombiemax ammo, zombie targets and zombie themed shooting competitions.
The nationwide facepalm at the idiocy of any media that ran that would be epic.
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BigFatDave
Well I should have said specs on the Internet. What? No 230gr for Zombies.
I'd want 230 grains for Skinwalkers...that's for sure!
Well I should have said specs on the Internet. What? No 230gr for Zombies.
I'd want 230 grains for Skinwalkers...that's for sure!
crracer_712
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Firearm obsession + a mentally ill person = something very bad happening.... Gee, you think maybe that's why that's one of the questions on the 4473 form?? The form doesn't say anything about Zombies.
You know, I've noticed you have this thing for 'skinwalker' lately. I can understand you're kinda sore at Hornady for picking Zombies over skinwalkers to market the ammo. But to be honest with you, Until I read a post about this book you read about skinwalkers, I ain't never hert a no skinwalker before!
However, after a weekend of watching 'I am Legend' and 'Resident Evil; Extinction', I'm juat glad I have a few boxes of Z-Max laying around.
And no, to help educate you on Zombies, you don't need big boolits, after all Ruger markets the LCP-Z, Zombie Slayer!
Sheepdog1968
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They made a nice Christmas stocking stuffer and brought a few laughs. I wanted one box just to collect. Good idea by Hornady. In general I hate zombie stuff. It is the new tactical as that advertising marketing term is nearing the end of its trendiness.
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HoosierQ
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And you have to mix a little corn pollen in with the powder as a filler!
Cosmoline
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I'm really not seeing any difference between this and "cowboy" CAS marketed ammunition. Do people obsess about someone buying cowboy ammo and going on a rampage at the reservation? Besides which there aren't actually any zombies to go shoot. So in a way this is a lot less threatening than cowboy ammunition.
The fact is, most of our shooting *IS* for simple fun. So playing zombie action shooting games or whatnot is part of that. That fun aspect is actually one of our greatest assets, since it attracts new people to the shooting sports in a way that dour old sourpusses do not. DOS's only want other DOS's out there. That means old, typically white men doing old white men things. Shooting, yes, but only within parameters acceptable to that group. So CAS is OK, but zombie action shooting is a menace. Simply because DOS's don't play video games and didn't grow up watching Romero's classics.
Of all horror genres, zombie films are by far the most connected to firearms. Just look at the array of fine iron in "Dawn of the Dead," for example. Classic Colt sporters and Savage 99's. They're also notable for having *real* firearms that behave within realistic parameters. Compare the DotD remake of 2004 with the "Underworld" vamp vs. werewolf feature that came out at about the same time. Or "Blade" from a few years earlier. The DotD remake, like the original, features very realistic and real-life firearms. The vamp and wolfen flicks have all sorts of nonsense like bullets that shoot phosphorous blobs and such. So it's natural for gun nuts to gravitate towards the zombie films. Plus we aren't emo and don't wear black.
Worrying about looking good to the MSM has NEVER been an effective strategy for us. In fact it leads directly to "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds" appeals to Congress and similar efforts to placate our foes by limiting our own sphere of influence. We will never look good to those people. And they can ALWAYS find something to complain about and make a stink over. And, in Eric Holder's own words, they want us to "cower outside" of the mainstream. ZMax ammo, however silly, is embracing the mainstream not cowering outside of it. It's bold and unapologetic.
Anyway the zombie craze has jumped the shark now, and will be petering out. World War Z will probably be the tombstone on it. The next big thing? Cthulhu. You heard it here first, so be prepared for "what gun for eldrich horror" threads.
The fact is, most of our shooting *IS* for simple fun. So playing zombie action shooting games or whatnot is part of that. That fun aspect is actually one of our greatest assets, since it attracts new people to the shooting sports in a way that dour old sourpusses do not. DOS's only want other DOS's out there. That means old, typically white men doing old white men things. Shooting, yes, but only within parameters acceptable to that group. So CAS is OK, but zombie action shooting is a menace. Simply because DOS's don't play video games and didn't grow up watching Romero's classics.
Of all horror genres, zombie films are by far the most connected to firearms. Just look at the array of fine iron in "Dawn of the Dead," for example. Classic Colt sporters and Savage 99's. They're also notable for having *real* firearms that behave within realistic parameters. Compare the DotD remake of 2004 with the "Underworld" vamp vs. werewolf feature that came out at about the same time. Or "Blade" from a few years earlier. The DotD remake, like the original, features very realistic and real-life firearms. The vamp and wolfen flicks have all sorts of nonsense like bullets that shoot phosphorous blobs and such. So it's natural for gun nuts to gravitate towards the zombie films. Plus we aren't emo and don't wear black.
Worrying about looking good to the MSM has NEVER been an effective strategy for us. In fact it leads directly to "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds" appeals to Congress and similar efforts to placate our foes by limiting our own sphere of influence. We will never look good to those people. And they can ALWAYS find something to complain about and make a stink over. And, in Eric Holder's own words, they want us to "cower outside" of the mainstream. ZMax ammo, however silly, is embracing the mainstream not cowering outside of it. It's bold and unapologetic.
Anyway the zombie craze has jumped the shark now, and will be petering out. World War Z will probably be the tombstone on it. The next big thing? Cthulhu. You heard it here first, so be prepared for "what gun for eldrich horror" threads.
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JustinJ
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I originally had no problem with it but on second thought i have reservations about marketing live ammo like its a toy. Hopefully nobody would be stupid enough to think its not real but it certainly may cause people to take more laxed attitudes with their firearms.
Husker1911
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Hey, one has to be 18 years of age to purchase zombie rifle ammo and 21 to purchase zombie handgun ammo. If one can't distinguish toys from real, live, for real ammo then what are we doing even discussing it?
Folks, if you don't have a sense of humor, don't buy it.
Folks, if you don't have a sense of humor, don't buy it.
MrDig
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I am certain the the Big Red Letters on the box
"WARNING: THIS IS LIVE AMMUNITION. THIS IS NOT A TOY"
Is enough to convince people that the ammunition is not a toy.
Would it be funnier if it was called "Sheeple Max" not really but it would certainly raise more comments from the anti gun crowd. Then again just being a person who chooses to exercises second amendment rights raises comments so to hell with it.
I'm really sorry you don't approve of Zombie Max ammo folks but does a person buying it in any way affect you? Hypothetical arguments aside how does it harm you? Getting your shorts in a knot about a hypothetical situations is futile and as long as it doesn't put my hand to your nose how does it affect you?
My right to wave my arms about ends where another persons nose begins.
bigfatdave
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I don't know - I bought it for a gag, I didn't care about the exact load so long as it was something basically in the "normal" range for .45acp that would run in my gun.
I got the Mrs a box of .223 (or was it marked 5.56mm? - Whatever) and a box of .380acp, and I think there might be a box of 9x19mm around somewhere. I'll buy one box if I come across it in other calibers I stock at a reasonable price. So; Makarov, Tokarev, 30-30, .32acp, .22s/l/lr, .22wmr, 7.62x39, 20gauge, and whatever I'm forgetting are up for one box of Z-Max, as a gag. I'd buy a bulk pack or a brick of .22lr, they could just induce the copper wash to corrode to that green copper color like the Statue of Liberty.
Tell you what. If you must have 230g Z-Max ammo:
You go to my range and dig the green squishy balls out of the dirt (I ran them through a bleeding zombie target a friend of mine got - they're double zombie ready now!) - there should be 20 in there, low left in the chewed-up portion of the berm.
After you dig them out, you can pry the red squishy ball out of your 230g Critical Defense/Critical Duty rounds, replace it with green, and have 230g zombie ammunition.
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gatorjames85
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Form 4473 only asks if you have been adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed. Diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia? You can still buy a gun. Voluntarily committed yourself to a mental institution because voices were telling you to kill? You can still answer no on Form 4473. I'm not advocating that the laws be made more stringent, just refuting the idea that mentall illness is a disqualifying condition.
Another problem with this zombie craze is that the term is used by some in the survivalist community as a euphemism for the unprepared masses in the wake of a cataclysmic event. Wouldn't it make us all look great if the media figured that one out?
Agreed.
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YOU know just like its been said many times its marketing and for a chucle. I don't belive hornady ever ment to exploit ppl's ignorance as to makeing you belive the whole apocalypse thing is GOING TO happen and that only zmax ammo would KILL the ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!
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