What the hell is going on?!! (dangerous dogs)

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I love dogs, but!!!

One of the reasons I carry 24/7 is for the 4 legged predators as well as the 2 legged kind. My Chocolate lab is a great watch dog, nobody gets near our front or back door without her warning us, but she wouldn't attack or harm anyone. It may be the bad owner's fault when that happens but it won't help me if I am being attacked. I'll put the dog down if I can before being torn up.
 
Browns Fan,

You are actually onto something with poodles.
Way back when, my grandparents would raise poodles. Very protective of family and home.

They make good watchdogs and the standard poodles (the big ones) are actually a decent physical threat.

The sentiment against pits in this thread is astounding. Especially when it is based mainly on single, anecdotal incidents.
That sucks that someone's mother was bitten by a pit, but that is ONE dog on ONE occasion. My pit has never bitten anyone, although sometimes I think she considers taking a nip out of the Beagle when he harasses her and all she wants to do is nuzzle up to me.
She hasn't done it yet, but if she ever does, I think it will serve the stupid hound right.
 
"Responsibility is a lost art." Great quote, Arcliet. I myself have a shepherd and pit. Last weekend my sister in-law asked me why I padlock the the gates in the backyard. She said the dogs cannot get as long is the latch is down. Maybe so, but why take the chance. Plus it prevents morons from walking up to the gate and letting them loose. These dogs are part of my family and my responsibiltiy. If they leave the fenced in yard or house they are leashed. I never let them run loose. If every dog owner made these efforts there would not be "pit bull" problems. These so called owners who let their dogs roam free are same people who don't seat belt their kids in, leave matches and lighters around for their todler to play with and don't put a fence around their pool. It has nothing to do with the breed or the dog it has to do with the owners lack of responsibility and overall stupidy.
 
Banning breeds = dumb, wrong, a whole slew of adjectives.
Making owners responsible for their dog's training = proper.

If you raise a lethal pit bull, you get charged as if you were wielding it as a weapon, even when you aren't there. That's the solution. Your out-of-control dog kills an innocent, you get locked up for manslaughter.

Note "innocent" there. I don't think your unattended dog or you should be held liable for ripping the throat out of the dude who smashed your sliding glass door and walked into your house with a crowbar/sharpened screwdriver/knife/lump of zinc, I mean, lorcin...
 
If you raise a lethal pit bull, you get charged as if you were wielding it as a weapon, even when you aren't there. That's the solution. Your out-of-control dog kills an innocent, you get locked up for manslaughter.
I agree except for one thing.

How does a manslaughter charge against the owner after the fact improve the life of the victim after the attack.

It's time for preemptive laws to be put in place.
 
I had a pit for years. Monster dog, big and nasty. Sweetest dog you could meet though, loved people.

... Just like all my dogs come to think of it ...
 
pit bull......

if the dog is not properly socialized w/both people & other dogs at two points in its early life, it will not be worth a damn. it can turn into a "fear biter" or a dog killer. But, some of these "new citizens" we got want things (& dogs) that way. makes me more & more determined to move to some god-forgotten place to set up houskeeping inside a minefield(lady di be damnned). :cool:
 
imho, all dogs are "high-powered handguns" now =)

I got my very first dog about a month ago.
My house got robbed - I needed a dog. Went to the shelter. Filled out 9 pages, waited 5 hours. Got denied by somebody I never met before 3 days later beacuse the dog (a stranger-hand-licker) was "too hard for me to handle".

Ok.

That same night I go home and I see a korean jindo, all emaciated, lying next to my car in downtown LA. A woman and I pick him him, take him to the vets. They take off his collar, give him some meds, tell me that he's vicious and was agressive to everyone.

Ok.

I take him home, with doubts (he also suffers from a severe auto-immune skin condition which causes his balls and snout to look like .. well, really beat up and itchy).

Joe doesn't bark except when drunks approach me; he hasn't been aggressive at all (I kept a VERY close eye on him for four weeks), and wherever I go, he goes too. When a "friendly" (the owner even told me that he was a "Playful" dog a minute before...) Rott charged me 3 days ago, Joe took the 150lb dog on (joe weighs about 75). Yesterday he got loose from me and trotted down the street. I panicked and ran after him, and he saw me coming all riled up and he ran even further. Finally I realized I wasn't helping and so I just stood there and calmly called him back. He pissed on a tree and came trotting back.

Jindos are korean bred fighting dogs (they are also considered sacred and are nationally protected in korea). He was a stray for at least a month or two. If any dog would be "bad", I suppose it might be him. But I try to get him to meet new people, keep a REAL close eye on him, and so far it seems to be working.

I don't know what this all means. I'm real new at this. But while I would not hesitate at all to put a 9mm through Joe if he ever tried to attack anybody unprovoked, I would not want to be held liable if he ever did somehow manage to get past my double gates, my close supervision, and training and bit somebody. This is because an owner IMHO can only train a dog so much, and sometimes, something just snaps - note the snow tiger that bit Siegfried (or was it roy?).

HOWEVER: any dog owner who neligently raises a dog should be held accountable. In other words, people who never walk their dogs and have a 6 ft "yard" should be fined and those dogs might have to be shot. People who buy rabbits and deliberately sic their dogs on them should be beaten. People who look upon their dog growling and lathering at completely innocuous strangers walking down the street and then pat the dog on the head and say "good boy" should be shot along with their f-ed up dogs.

Poor dog, good riddance owner.

ps: while I love dogs, I don't understand why so many people are horrified by dog-eating. I had dog once in a foreign country (no, it wasn't korea lol). Tasted like really good beef.

Which of course, begs - what about eating good ol' bessie? she never did anything but give us milk... sniff* ... and prime rib...

it's one thing to eat your lovable loyal pet, it's another to eat the damn nuisance that keeps you up at night and bites your cat.

besides, would anyone care if people started eating coyote, jackal, or hyena?

eh.

Kev
 
One of their best qualities as fighting dogs are their lack of aggression towards humans.
Where have I heard this kind of crap before? Oh yeah, from a buddy of mine that just put his Grand Champion Pit Bull down after it bit 2 different people. He's been raising and training them for a great many years, and believe me, he knows how. Yet when his best friend went after his son's girlfriend and the result was 20 stitches in less than 20 seconds, enough was enough.

As far as I'm concerned, I would never own a dog that I couldn't handle if it turned on me. And I think that should go for everyone. I'd like to see any one of you control a hell-bent Pit or Rott.

My wife is handicapped and I'm very protective of her. She likes to sit on our front porch quite a bit. The guy across the street owns a half-Pit/half-Rott, and she's a sweetheart. (Thank God) Dammit though, he just picked up a new puppy to go along with it. Full Rott. (Don't ask me why, he already neglects the one he has) The new Rott is already showing nasty tendencies. I'm thinking 10 steps ahead, now. I fear something will happen if that dog gets out and my wife is on the porch when I am at work.

I already know I will kill the dog. Not sure what I'll do with the owner.
 
Jindos are korean bred fighting dogs (they are also considered sacred and are nationally protected in korea).
Jindos were hunting and guard dogs, not fighting dogs. They are a National treasure of Korea

if he ever did somehow manage to get past my double gates, my close supervision,
Puppy's play for a Jindo. they typically have a very wide roaming range, which is probably why he was a stray
 
Had a little girl bit on the leg by a dog yesterday (Im a paramedic). They run wild out here, where its basically mexico. Ive never seen animal control address the situation. Its not uncommon to drive past a pack of fighting dogs. They are all ratty looking.
 
besides, would anyone care if people started eating coyote, jackal, or hyena?

I don't care if someone else wants to eat those. Have you ever tried Tasmanian Devil? Badger? Hedgehog? They're not bad, if they're marinated for a while.
 
Amstaffs are nice dogs, until they're abused.

"I don't know why Killer did that. He just turned on me. I don't know why. Every mornin' after my first beer, I'd go outta the trailer and thump him a few times to let him know who's boss, but I'd feed him every few days too."

Lotta the owners need removal from the gene pool.
 
"It's time for preemptive laws to be put in place."

Mmm, preemptive laws... the entire reason the country's going to heck in a handpurse.

Innocent until proven guilty? Or would you prefer a society where you're *likely* to sic your dog on someone, haven't done it, and go to jail anyways for being a *possibility*?
 
I am a long-time dog owner, and currently have two dogs to keep the cat company. My only real pet peeve with some dogs is when I am bicycling. Many is the time when I am bicycling on a public street or on a trail and a dog starts chasing me. If I am grinding up a hill or something, I sometimes cannot outrun the dog. I have a couple of good scars on my legs where I have been bitten. Fortunately, in both cases, I was able to identify the dog and have it tested for rabies.

I have heard people talk about using a squirt gun filled with an ammonia solution, pepper spray or whacking at the dog with a frame pump. I am simply not coordinated enough to be able to simultaneously pedal, steer, get the OC from my backpack or whatever, and ward off the dog. I am a couple of hands short to be able to do all that. Again, as a long-time dog lover, I would not be thrilled about shooting Rover or Fido, but I do wish that people would do a better job of restraining or containing their dog, since I am not fond of being bitten. On the bicycling forums and boards, dog attacks and how to deal with them are a common issue.

Having said that, if I witnessed a dog or pack of dogs attacking a child or vulnerable adult, I would shoot the dogs without hesitation, and deal with any subsequent criminal or civil issues later.
 
Or would you prefer a society where you're *likely* to sic your dog on someone,haven't done it, and go to jail anyways for being a *possibility*?
Where have I even suggested this or even that someone would purposely sic their dog on someone

The reasons dogs attack are known and for the most part preventable. Most of us agree.
the untrained dog does what dogs do: Bites the wrong person.
Amstaffs are nice dogs, until they're abused.
In my experience, the owners/controllers of the dogs are more at fault than the breed. The reason that the dogs are vicious like that is because of lack of socialization and interaction with other people except for the few people the dog encounters daily. Keeping the dog penned up or chained up all day is the absolute worst thing you can do to a dog.
Dogs are a reflection of the owner.
and pit bull terriers are particularly dangerous due to their temperaments (made bad by poor breeding practices for viciousness by dumbutt backyard breeders -
There's more of course but you get the point

The reasons cars cause accidents are known and for the most part preventable.
Are rules of conduct while operating a vehicle and vehicle safety standards also objectionable to you.

Does it make our society less free if the state decides that unsafe conditions that effect others are rectified before they cause injury to innocent by standers.

Why wait till after a tragedy to make these idiots take responsibility for their animals
 
hm

don't u have to remove the brain to test for rabies?

imho, if i lived in an area with lots of dumb stupid ratty dogs running amok, I'd carry a telescoping baton. or a trail gun.

unless you live in cali like i do, then both are fu-ing illegal, so you have to try to "close your eyes and pretend to enjoy it"

hm..

maybe i'll start CCWing a crossbow...

after all, nunchucks and ninja stars are illegal, too, so darn, there goes my other two choices....
 
Carry a staff

A hiking stick is OK on trails almost anywhere, and it gives you the reach to fend off a hostile dog. Short of a gun, I'd rather have a staff than any other weapon for facing one or more dogs.

Regards,
Dirty Bob
 
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"while I love dogs, I don't understand why so many people are horrified by dog-eating. I had dog once in a foreign country (no, it wasn't korea lol). Tasted like really good beef."

When I was in Korea in the mid-80's, I asked a Korean chaplains assistant if he could recommend a good restaraunt for dog (This was just the yr before the olympics and they outlawed dog eating to look more "civilized"). I wanted a reputable place to eat because at that time, many places didnt follow what little sanitation laws they had. It was not unheard of for a GI to get sick eating in the "Ville". Anyway, this Korean asked me if I was a barbarian. :D

He never would make a recommendation!
 
A hiking stick is OK on trails almost anywhere

One particularly long boring night I read the California weapons code. Don't ask me why because I will never go there again and I am not absolutely positive since it was quite some time ago that I read that but I do believe this suggestion would also not be an option for them. It is a very very sad place for personal freedom.
 
From Ryder:
One particularly long boring night I read the California weapons code. Don't ask me why because I will never go there again and I am not absolutely positive since it was quite some time ago that I read that but I do believe this suggestion would also not be an option for them.
Gee, I hope that's not the case. Even a pair of trekking poles or a crook-top cane would serve well in a dog attack. I've had injuries and have walked with a cane at times (in New Mexico and in Texas). No one ever gave me a second glance.

I'd rather have a 5-foot staff than a cane, but a cane is useful on trails, and I don't know of any jurisdiction that bans canes.

Regards,
Bob
 
I use a hiking staff that I bought at REI all the time when I go day hiking and backpacking. On our rough, wet and rocky trails in the Pacific Northwest, converting from a biped to a triped can be a lifesaver, in preventing falls. People up here very commonly use staffs, XC ski poles or the like without a second glance.
 
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