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what to carry

C.R.

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So I'm not getting any younger almost 61 , and recently had open heart surgery I live in a rural area that ought to be safe but have had a weird murder in the area a couple years ago , so not completely safe (just like everyplace else I guess) I have been thinking more lately about packing. I haven't felt the need before , but now I am uncertain , and think maybe it wouldn't hurt to have something along when I am taking a walk with the dawg . I have a couple .22 handguns, and centerfire pistols as well. My thoughts were maybe a .22 Mag revolve . Any thoughts ? other choices are a 1911 or a .44Magnum
 
That’s a pretty large jump from a 22 to a 44 mag. I don’t know where you are but if it’s bear country I’d vote for the 44. If not then I can see a scenario for the 22 mag. One thing I would recommend is carry some oc spray. When walking dogs a lot of times it draws other dogs to you. Usually in the form of an angry stray dog. I’d recommend any gun/caliber you feel comfortable with.
 
Usually can't go wrong with a 1911. Your .22 Magnum revolver is "something" you might be more willing to carry on your walks than three pounds of .45 ACP in that 1911. I carry a KelTec PMR 30 around the place when I'm out on the tractor. No large four legged animals about though. I don't feel undergunned for two legged.
 
The 9mm falls nicely in between your options. I would carry a smaller pistol, e.g., Glock 43, 43X, or SW Shield Plus in said cal.
For HD, a higher cap version of those: G17, M&P 9, CZ P09, etc.
In the compromise of shot placement vs. effectiveness, it's hard to beat the century old Parabellum - many a grizzlies know that.
 
On good days a 1911 in a well designed holster is a good choice. Of the brazillon 1911 holster I own my old Kramer IWB horsehide Thomas Perfectionist is by far the most comfortable and functional.

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A lot of folks claim a .22 is better than nothing, but I have my doubts. It probably is true that most gunfights end before they get started, as the presence of the gun itself is enough, so in that sense a .22 might be okay. Once the shooting gets started, though...

The 1911 is still the two-time world war champion, and as long as you don't mind carrying it, it's the obvious choice.
 
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Like you I live in a very rural area, and yes it can happen anywhere. Couple of years ago had a murder of an older woman right here in town. With a population of under 700 losing one person is about 5 more than we can stand to lose. We still have more dairy cows than people and losing farms left and right. Can't speak to open heart surgery but I can tell you that after my pacemaker was put in, even after six weeks of recuperation (it might have helped if I did as I was told, but who listens to Dr.'s anyway?) I was still in no mood to haul around a 44 or a 45. I wouldn't feel the least under gunned with a .22 LR or WMR. As a privet citizen my responsibility is to break contact/convive the BG that he has urgent business elsewhere. not detain, arrest, take and hold a position, etc. There may be better options but not if I don't have them, can't or unwilling to carry them, or can't use them effectively.
 
The 1911 Government is pretty large. It can be a challenge to carry if you are new. Make sure your 1911 is reliable -- that means taking it to the range and shooting 300-500 rounds between cleanings. My now awesome Dan Wesson Valor required major surgery by Nighthawk Custom to make right. As much as I love 1911 Governments, I do realize that carrying one requires a "can-do" attitude, strong back muscles to avoid sciatica, and at least two spare mags.

Same goes for a revolver in 44 Magnum. The S&W 29 or 629 carries well and handles 44 Magnum well enough. It is great for 44 Special or 240 grain 44 Magnum at 1,000-1,150 FPS. It too is a challenge and carrying spare ammo is annoying.

Ruger revolvers in 44 are huge and good luck with that.

Regardless, I do recommend the following:

1) Kore Essentials belt with 8# tactical belt and your choice of buckle. If you appendix carry, get the X7. I like it regardless of how I carry because it's small.

2) Loose shirts

3) Carry at least one full reload. Carry two if the capacity of the feeding device is fewer than 11 rounds.

3) +1" or +2" on the waist for pants. Or, at least stretchy waistbands. I like 511 Defenders and whatever shorts they offer.

4) A good holster hides better, lasts far longer, is more comfortable, holds the gun consistently, and conceals better. Milt Sparks, Kramer (Perfectionist), JM Custom Kydex, Tenicor, etc.

Do not fret too much over the gun and caliber. Use 9mm, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 45 ACP, 44 Special/Magnum, 38 Special, 357 Magnum or 10mm. Get a gun that is known to be reliable and reasonably accurate; you don't need "competition grade" accuracy. You're probably going to practice at 25 yards max and likely defend yourself inside 10 or 15 yards (but not always...so be good at 25-34 yards-- 100 feet).

If you have absolutely no idea what to get, buy a Glock 19 class gun: Glock 19, S&W M&P 9 Compact M2.0, HK P30 or VP9, one of the Walthers, SIG P229 or P320, etc. Almost every company makes the equivalent to a Glock 19. It really doesn't matter. Magazine capacity is 15-17 cartridges and typically conceals well. If you really don't know what to get, then just get the Glock 19 Gen 3 or 4 and you're done until you decide you like something else better.

You can go slightly up in size to a Glock 17 or 45, move into 1911 Commanders or Governments, etc. There are a so many choices that it's almost annoying. Glock 21/20 are great guns but can be difficult to hide unless you have some experience. Many revolvers with 3" and 4" barrels are in this size class, such as the famous S&W Model 66, S&W 686, Ruger GP100, etc. The S&W Model 66/19 with 2.5" barrel and the Ruger SP101 are Glock 19-class guns.

Moving down, you get into the Glocks 26, 43X, 48 and 43, S&W Shield (plus variants), SIG P365 (X, XL, Spectre), and similar sized guns. They're great to carry because they are small and/or thin. I find the Glock 26 and 48 to be great to shoot too. I really like the SIG P365XL (longer grip module with 12 round flush fit magazine). The P365 can be a bit snappy, as is the Glock 43. The Glock 26 is an excellent gun offering great accuracy, excellent reliability, soft shooting, and great concealment. Again, experience helps with this group.

You can try small single stacks too, but those days are mostly over. This includes the Glock 43, but also some 380's like the Walther PPK, Kahr K9, etc. Even smaller are the P365 and Kahr PM9/CM9 (same size but the P365 has 10 rounds). Small guns can be very tempting, but really require a competent shooter to use. If you think you are a marginal shooter, then move back up into the Glock 19-class guns.

Snubby revolvers are a whole different animal. I don't recommend them at all unless you're in the category of "I need a gun and that's all I have, dangit!" They are bad to shoot, don't carry that well, and dealing with spare ammo (as well as getting it into the gun under stress) is tough. They're guns for experts and the SIG P365, Springfield Hellcat, and Glock 43 all supercede it (Kahr PM9 would be on the list but friends don't let friends carry Kahr). I absolutely hated my extremely beautiful and well made S&W Model 19 with 2 1/2" barrel. It was as large as a Glock 19 but couldn't handle moderate 357 Magnum at all. It was not worth the effort required to become proficient when switching over to a Glock 43 yielded instant good results.

After all that, and you're still not sure, just go buy a Glock 19 Gen 3, 4, or 5.
Slightly used is just fine and you'll save $100.

I know this comes off as a Glock kool-aid post. I get that. But the fact of the matter is the Glock 19 is probably one of the best carry pistols on the market for $450-600 new. It's easy to work on (need only a manual and a few tools), parts are everywhere, every manufacturer supports it (from holsters to optics), it shoots well, recoil is moderate, capacity as great and it's easy to hide. This is not to say the HK P30 isn't awesome, or the SIG P229 isn't fantastic (I have both)...it's just that the average man with average knowledge can work on his Glock, master shooting it, and can buy mags for $25.
 
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I kinda ruled that out based on the fact that compact 45s and MY hands don't really go together..
But you're right, he should consider it.
 
It's hard to make suggestions when you don't say what you are protecting against and how much experience you have shooting.

Without knowing I would suggest the 1911 with a 200gr standard pressure SD round since I don't know if you shoot much.

The 22Mag is more a varmint round than a SD round. It's no that it wound stop an attack but how long it will take.

Like said above, if you're not in bear country the 44 Mag is a bit much unless you load it with 44 Special ammo. (you didn't say which 44 you own)

I didn't offer any other suggestions because it seems you don't want to buy anything, you just want to use what you have. (again you didn't say)
 
South central Wisconsin means you will likely be faced with feral dogs, coyotes, and rarely a mugger/robber. My choice would be a compact 9mm, of your guns a .22 mag is preferable to a 1911 sitting at home in the safe. Traveling east to visit Kenosha or Racine I’d opt for the 1911.
 
It's hard to make suggestions when you don't say what you are protecting against and how much experience you have shooting.

Without knowing I would suggest the 1911 with a 200gr standard pressure SD round since I don't know if you shoot much.

He's talking about crime from the post and you can assume it's going to be that. Even a 45 will work against a bear...maybe not well, but well enough if FMJ is used in most cases.

But, for someone new to concealed carry, a 1911 Government can be a challenge. This is why I suggested the holster and belt combination I did. The Kore Essentials belt is stiff enough to hold up even a Ruger Redhawk or Alaskan without back/nerve pain.

For the OP:

1) Belt
2) Holster
3) Mag holders

These will make your life either better or worse depending upon quality.
 
@C.R. you said you have “center fire revolvers”. Which ones? What calibers? Do you already own the .22 Mag and the .44 Magnums? If so, you’ve answered your own question. Get holsters for both and carry both depending on your needs or wants…not at the same time…unless you want to. :D
 
If you are willing to buy I would recommend the XD-M elite precision by Springfield Armory. Under $600, under 2 pounds in weight, and has a 22 + 1 capacity of 9mm. The 44 mag is a massive caliber that removes body parts and limbs instead of punching holes, but what good is it if one does not shoot and train enough with it to b e proficient and miss when the time comes because of recoil and unfamiliarity with that caliber. If you own the 22 magnum revolver that would be my choice over the 44 magnum, just my 2¢. I carry a Kel-Tec PMR 30 in 22 magnum occasionally during summer months when I wear light clothing like shorts in the summer instead of my 686 .357 magnum, 30 rounds of 22 magnum is very formidable .
 
So I'm not getting any younger almost 61 , and recently had open heart surgery I live in a rural area that ought to be safe but have had a weird murder in the area a couple years ago , so not completely safe (just like everyplace else I guess) I have been thinking more lately about packing. I haven't felt the need before , but now I am uncertain , and think maybe it wouldn't hurt to have something along when I am taking a walk with the dawg . I have a couple .22 handguns, and centerfire pistols as well. My thoughts were maybe a .22 Mag revolve . Any thoughts ? other choices are a 1911 or a .44Magnum

1911 and 44 mag sound heavy to me. I would go with what ever carries the easiest and stop sleeping with the farm wives while their husbands are clearing the back 40. The best plan is to just avoid the trouble in the first place.
 
I have a couple .44s ,a Smith & Wesson 29,and a Ruger Vaquero and a couple of 1911s Colt , and Springfield and a few different .22s and a .22 Mag revolver . Lions and tigers and bears don't bother me too much , I'm more likely to run across a raccoon , I was thinking of carrying more for piece of mind ,an old fart walking alone on a country road would appear to be an easy victim . What I would prefer would be a deecent revolver in .357 but I havent gotten one yet.
 
I have a couple .22 handguns, and centerfire pistols as well. My thoughts were maybe a .22 Mag revolver . Any thoughts ? other choices are a 1911 or a .44 Magnum

Are you saying that you are sticking with your current handguns, or are you open to something else? If so, what make and model are they? This could help us understand what you are trying to carry.
 
1911 if you'll carry it? 22 mag if the 1911 is too heavy?

My large dog was $30 at the pound. My house is not a smart target with him here, and no one bothers me on walks except for women who want to pet him. He has helped me recover from three surgeries in the past year. Off-topic, but true. Best wishes with your recovery.
 
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