What Tom Selleck did in Quigley Down Under...watch this video...realistic shot??

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Keep in mind even with 110 grs. of powder, that bullet would probably be traveling in the neighborhood of 1150 to 1250 fps.
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Actually a 544 grain (Brooks) .458 caliber bullet with a 90-100 grains (weighed) load of Swiss one and a half F Black powder will give you 1,325 fps to 1,375 fps from a 34 inch barreled 45-2-7/8th inch case (which was introduced in January 1876) (called 45-110).

At 1,000 yards that 544 grain projectile is still going 770 fps.


My .50 caliber x 2.5 inch case Sharps Long Range Rifle (called a 50-90) will fire a 610 grain bullet at 1,345 fps from my 34 inch barrel, using 100 grains of Swiss 1.5 F black powder.
At 1,000 yards my 610 grain, 50 caliber bullet is still going 740 fps.

The sights will allow for the proper elevation if you are good at rather exact range estimation.
 

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Who knows, but he was being portrayed as the best of the best out there... and I have seen some shooters do things that are hard to imagine at best. Not saying it is real or not. Don't know...

Great movie though, one of my favorites.
 
The big old blackpowder loads gain nothing in accuracy by useing "modern powder". The big 45's and 50's in the hands of an expert (back in the good old days or today) are happiest with good old black powder.
The part that becomes tough with these cartridges is not the accuracy of the guns but because of the trajectory estamation of range is critical.
If a modern shooter trying for a groundhog with a flat shooting 22-250
takes a shot at 300 yards when he is sighted in at 250 he will be 3/8" low.
A old time sharps sighted at 250 could be 4 to 6" ? off by 300 . At any rate way more than the 22-250.

As movies go the firearms stuff in QDU was spectacular but possible.

At any rate it was a fun movie

Cool good guy overcomeing the evil bad guy, neat location,good looking woman-What more do you need ?
 
They should have made a sequal a few years later. Quigley in the Klondike or something like that...
Crazy Cora could be a school marm helping the mining town kids, They could have a teen age son or two and the evil mining company execs could have a private army of bad guys....
One thing leads to another and Mathew Quiglety has to pull the old Sharps out of retirement....
It oughta work....
 
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At 1,000 yards my 610 grain, 50 caliber bullet is still going 740 fps.
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And at 740 fps, a 610 grain RNL bullet is still an effective projectile, too.:)

The only really good reason for high velocity tiny bullets in modern guns is a flat trajectory.

A big, slow bullet whacks big game hard, and has plenty of accuracy. The trajectory can be unnerving to a modern shooter (I shot a jackrabbit at 75 yards with a .45-70 Sharps rifle, and kept shooting over it, then under it, especially as it moved a little bit). But the idea that the old rifles weren't accurate, or effective long-range weapons, is a complete misconception.
 
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"At 1,000 yards my 610 grain, 50 caliber bullet is still going 740 fps."

and falling pretty much straight down......

You could use it to kill the rabbit deep in his hole!
 
You guys are so out of touch, you didn't see "QUIGLY - UP OVER"? In this one he hits a water bucket in Pakistan from a hilltop in Afghanastan, over 3,000 miles! First he drops some snow and then uses his uparmored corvette to crash into a watertower!

Welcome to your newest desktop unless, of course, your a commie pinko...


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Now that's funny right there - I don't care who you are!!!! :D :D :D :D
 
Hey speaking of making that a Desktop - does anyone know how to take that and add the caption "Quigley Up Over" to it in large letters? Beyond awesome!!
 
Thanks, I did it years ago for Shiloh Sharps web site forum.....
I thought of it after reading this thread..
 
Its quite interesting to see this thread go on for so long. Most of the black powder cartridge threads die quick in this section. In my earlier days I did the modern stuff 308 7mm mag ect. But my true love is for the old style black powder stuff.
 
Everyone think to yourself.. of what they had for entertainment back at that time.. they didnt have much.. so the firearm might of just been something used more often for a hobby then, so if you practiced everyday for hours and then got yourself one of the top of the line weapons of that time later in life..

Im sure you could be amazing with that particular weapon if you knew your ammo weapon sighting system ect..

The most amazing people at sports start when they are young..
 
Think for myself...hang on....hmmm....its coming, hang on......hmmmm.....hey....whow.... heck your right.

Thinking of a young Rambo...practicing all day on his M60......
 
A question for the experts....all the old black powder buffalo cartridges, other than the 45-70, have ever been converted to high pressure smokeless powder rounds?? And if so, why not??
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The reason is actually pretty simple: there were a lot of old guns made for that round, being an army caliber, and quite a few still around. They don't want to risk someone firing a new high-pressure cartridge in an old gun and blowing it up. Unless more companies start making new guns for it, it's highly unlikely to be updated to modern specs.
 
"At 1,000 yards my 610 grain, 50 caliber bullet is still going 740 fps."

and falling pretty much straight down......

You could use it to kill the rabbit deep in his hole!
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It sure is.....

At 1,200 yards my .511 caliber 610-620 grain slugs max out on my ballistic calculator. At that range they are still going 693 feet per second and REALLY coming darn near straight down. It takes a touch over 4 seconds to get there. I have not tried that..


While sighted in for 1,000 yards, the .511 caliber slug is 511 inches high at 550 yards. (42.5 feet)
I have fired them at a known distance range (machine gun range) and was able to walk them into an area about 10-15 feet across and keep them there. (Sandbaged like crazy) You have to make sure your spotter buddy is very patient. At least the smoke clears by the time impact occurs...
 
Realistic.

Really good target rifles nowadays can do that, but not an old sharps.
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I beg to differ. I have a 2005-vintage 32" Sharps Business Rifle in .45-70.

I can stay inside of MOA more often than not, and I use Goex Cartridge BP with my own cast 535gr Postell bullets and Crisco/Beeswax lube with a fiberboard wad.

Come on out to Forsyth, Montana this summer. Those guys with their Sharps/Rolling Blocks/Trapdoors/HiWalls/Ballards will simply amaze you.

People grouse about the artillery-style trajectory of those old black powder cartridge big-bores, but that's what the tall Creedmoor/Soule sights are for. The owners know their ranges, and set the sights accordingly. That's something the current generation of maximum point-blank-zero 56mm objective scope-sighted centerfire magnum shooters would do well to remember.

Like I said, come on out to Forsyth, MT this June 20th. Meet me and my fellow BPCR shooters as we take it out to 800 yards.
 
after watching bob munden and company shoot I find it hard to doubt any shot by "the best." for the rest of us who have not obviously sold our souls to gain dark magical shooting powers I say no way.

either way it was a fun movie. and heed the old adage: fantasy requires the suspension of disbelief.
 
I beg to differ. I have a 2005-vintage 32" Sharps Business Rifle in .45-70.

I can stay inside of MOA more often than not
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Here is what i had said....
Really good target rifles nowadays can do that, but not an old sharps.
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I was talking about the 900yd group he sent the rancher dude. That is a .33 MOA group, i know that the blackpowder rifles can do some things that are considered pretty amazing, but not .3MOA at 900yd IME. If i am also wrong about that, feel free to correct me.
:)
 
Hey Gewehr, I'm hoping to make it to the Quigley shoot this year. I started shooting BPCR last year at our local club, but our range only goes out to 300 meters. Can't wait to try it at a longer range! Maybe I'll see you there.
 
The Quigley shot

I organise the Quigley long range Buffalo and Creedmoor shoot here in Australia each year Mainly shot with Sharps and Rolling blocks. We have a part of the match where each shooter has one shot at a Target 3ft wide by 8ft tall at a distance of something more than 1100yds Over the last 8 years that target has been hit 9 times and one of our shooters has hit it 3 times. Co-incidently he shoots a Shiloh Sharps with a 32 in Barrell in 45-110 calibre and shoots paper patched bullets. He and I will both be part of a 5 man team to contest the Quigley match in Forsyth this year. Say hi if you see us
Garben
 
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