What were they thinking...New USAF BDU's
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Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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Forty years ago they would have figured the uniforms would look like this in 2003. I bet there's a lot of airmen who are glad for what they're going to get instead.
I've never seen blue or grey foliage, though. Most AF folks don't walk in the woods or need to blend into the sky without having an airplane around them. Most AF folks I know have indoor jobs, except for ramp rats.
Looks more like some general had a daughter who needed another project for her Fashion Design class at Midwestern State University.
Regards,
Rabbit.
I've never seen blue or grey foliage, though. Most AF folks don't walk in the woods or need to blend into the sky without having an airplane around them. Most AF folks I know have indoor jobs, except for ramp rats.
Looks more like some general had a daughter who needed another project for her Fashion Design class at Midwestern State University.
Regards,
Rabbit.
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Duncan Idaho
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I like them a lot.Spieler
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First the Marines and now the Air Force; they all want their own, 'distinctive' looking high-speed uniforms. As if friend or foe recognition on the battlefield isn't already difficult enough. Oh well, as long as it makes them feel cool.
ps-USAF is just still holding a grudge because of it's bastardized start as the ARMY Air Corps.
ps-USAF is just still holding a grudge because of it's bastardized start as the ARMY Air Corps.
Schuey2002
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"What once was old, is now new again!"
I wonder why they chose the Vietnam era tiger stripe pattern?? Hmmmm.
I wonder why they chose the Vietnam era tiger stripe pattern?? Hmmmm.
Duncan Idaho
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'Cause there is one hell of a lot of bamboo in southeastern China.
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So should I go Army Reserves instead of Air Force Reserves?
Schuey2002
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What good is this camo going to do when an Air Force pilot gets shot down over a "bamboo-less" region of this planet?
"Hey, look everyone! I'm stranded in the desert of Northern Iran/Syria/Northern Africa. Boy am I glad I have this snazzy new camo on. No one is every going to spot me now!!"
"Hey, look everyone! I'm stranded in the desert of Northern Iran/Syria/Northern Africa. Boy am I glad I have this snazzy new camo on. No one is every going to spot me now!!"
Orthonym
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There aren't any blue plants.
Marko Kloos
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The Marines came up with MARPAT, and some AIr Force general jumped up and down in front of his TV when he first saw them.
"Oooh! The jarheads have their own camo pattern, so everyone will recognize a Marine right away! We need our own pattern as well."
REAL Air Force camo would incorporate the front side of a vending machine, some rec room couch pattern, or the pattern of an unmade AF bunk.
"Oooh! The jarheads have their own camo pattern, so everyone will recognize a Marine right away! We need our own pattern as well."
REAL Air Force camo would incorporate the front side of a vending machine, some rec room couch pattern, or the pattern of an unmade AF bunk.
Ohen Cepel
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They seem to be suffering too much envy over the Marines new uniform.
Am I seeing right? It's BLUE?!?!? Not practical in most settings.
I sure don't want a tac air controller with me in the woods wearing blue!!!
Well, he would be a great bullet magnet so it may not be all bad (for me)
Am I seeing right? It's BLUE?!?!? Not practical in most settings.
I sure don't want a tac air controller with me in the woods wearing blue!!!
Well, he would be a great bullet magnet so it may not be all bad (for me)
I'm pretty much amazed there is "a" camo pattern.I have a least six differant patterns for duck,turkey, deer,ect.,corn fields or woods,ect.
Would it not make more sense to have differant patterns for differant jobs?Why would base personal need any camo?
Would it not make more sense to have differant patterns for differant jobs?Why would base personal need any camo?
stevelyn
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Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. Now just what in the hell type of environment are those colors supposed to blend in with here???? Glaciers??
Glockster35
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Just what I thought your response would be. Mixed!
I think the uniform is definately distinctive, and easy to wear (I like that). No more ironing and polishing boots. But what environment is it created to camoflage? It sure isn't urban, or forest.
As a Security Forces member (Police) in the Air Force, this uniform bothers me. How will we blend in to any environment. I feel like a lost sould now, because if the air force goes with this pattern, we will definately be the laughing stock of all the military branches. I would definately get out at 20 years instead of staying a few extra.
The Air Force is trying to base itself as a real military. I think this uniform in this form is a complete waste of time and money. The Air Force just instituted mandatory PT (Jan 2004) in the form of the Army PT Test for Security Forces, and something similar for all others. Yep, the bike test is supposedly gone.
I think the uniform is definately distinctive, and easy to wear (I like that). No more ironing and polishing boots. But what environment is it created to camoflage? It sure isn't urban, or forest.
As a Security Forces member (Police) in the Air Force, this uniform bothers me. How will we blend in to any environment. I feel like a lost sould now, because if the air force goes with this pattern, we will definately be the laughing stock of all the military branches. I would definately get out at 20 years instead of staying a few extra.
The Air Force is trying to base itself as a real military. I think this uniform in this form is a complete waste of time and money. The Air Force just instituted mandatory PT
(Jan 2004) in the form of the Army PT Test for Security Forces, and something similar for all others. Yep, the bike test is supposedly gone.MicroBalrog
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Actually, looks a bit like the "Urban Camouflage" pattern of the Russian SWAT (OMON).
Legionnaire
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It is true enough that some of what is new is excellent, notably automobiles, metals and fabrics, but a lot of what is new is lousy - notably clothing, "pop noise," and journalism.
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--Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 11, No. 8, July 2003
Cooper was referring to new cartridges (last paragraph), but I note his line "a lot of what is new is lousy - notably clothing ..."
Question is, what's the point? IMHO, the uniform looks like something cobbled together by a tin-pot dictator to give his security forces something distinctive. Guess this is what happens when officers and administrators get caught up in the "self esteem" cult.
It is true enough that some of what is new is excellent, notably automobiles, metals and fabrics, but a lot of what is new is lousy - notably clothing, "pop noise," and journalism.
We have had the cartridges we need since World War I. It is the guns we can improve.
--Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 11, No. 8, July 2003
Cooper was referring to new cartridges (last paragraph), but I note his line "a lot of what is new is lousy - notably clothing ..."
Question is, what's the point? IMHO, the uniform looks like something cobbled together by a tin-pot dictator to give his security forces something distinctive. Guess this is what happens when officers and administrators get caught up in the "self esteem" cult.
SSGMike
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Well, it IS distinctive.
With its attractive belt to flatter any airman's waistline, the new AF BDU will undoubtedly be the hottest dadburned uniform one could ever wish for.
Whatever happened to loose, ventilating clothing? Maybe it'll be fine for types like the 2LT model, guarding a gate or whatever, but I think it would prove too warm and restrictive in a field environment. Just my .02.
One good idea on the new USMC uniform is the pockets on the sleeves, 'cause when you're in a vest, there ain't no getting to those jacket pockets.
I could always tell the Marines old uniforms anyway - their covers have corners and they roll their sleeves the wrong way!
With its attractive belt to flatter any airman's waistline, the new AF BDU will undoubtedly be the hottest dadburned uniform one could ever wish for.
Whatever happened to loose, ventilating clothing? Maybe it'll be fine for types like the 2LT model, guarding a gate or whatever, but I think it would prove too warm and restrictive in a field environment. Just my .02.
One good idea on the new USMC uniform is the pockets on the sleeves, 'cause when you're in a vest, there ain't no getting to those jacket pockets.
I could always tell the Marines old uniforms anyway - their covers have corners and they roll their sleeves the wrong way!
Monte Harrison
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This has got to be a joke. First the Army puts black berets on REMF's, then the Air Farce goes to stylin' new rags.
Spieler:
Marko Kloos: As a retired Air Force guy, I can say that with this initiative, it must mean we have fully equipped each Air Force Base with the required golf courses, officers clubs, and airfields (in that order) to be able to afford new uniforms.
Schuey2002:
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What he said.
Marko Kloos:
What he said, too.
As a retired Air Force guy, I can say that with this initiative, it must mean we have fully equipped each Air Force Base with the required golf courses, officers clubs, and airfields (in that order) to be able to afford new uniforms.Schuey2002:
Nah, these are fatigues, not flight suits. Most of us ended up bailing out over Nevada after successfully evading a simulated threat at Red Flag. It was a short walk into Las Vegas, so I'm thinking we need Elvis jumpsuits.
Jaywalker
MicroBalrog
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People, again, this pattern (or similar) was already used. It works.
Dave Markowitz
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Snazzy looking but hardly practical.
1. It's BLUE. Unless the AF now teaches levitation so that the wearer will only be seen against the sky, it'll stick out like a sore thumb.
2. The belt around the midline is going to be really uncomfortable in hot weather.
1. It's BLUE. Unless the AF now teaches levitation so that the wearer will only be seen against the sky, it'll stick out like a sore thumb.
2. The belt around the midline is going to be really uncomfortable in hot weather.
Owen
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I think the pattern is probably too dark, and the contrast between the different colors is too low. There are very few things in nature as dark as that pattern, and the whole thing is too dark to break up a person's silhouette.
Then again, I am not an expert on camo.
owen
Then again, I am not an expert on camo.
owen
Glockster35
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It's hard to tell in the pictures, but the shirt is tucked into the pants, and the exposed belt is actually on the pants, not added to the shirt.
I think one of the weirdest things about this is the Black Henley style three button short sleeved shirt, with US Air Force and the individuals name embroidered on the chest (in white). I guess that means it will not be acceptable to walk around without the blouse on? Why a black shirt though? If they are going blue, how about making it sky blue.
There were supposed to be pockets added on the sleeves, but I have yet to see them in a picture.
I can't wait to actually get a chance to see this uniform. It may not be as bad as it looks. Hopefully they will change it a bit more before accepting it.
I think one of the weirdest things about this is the Black Henley style three button short sleeved shirt, with US Air Force and the individuals name embroidered on the chest (in white). I guess that means it will not be acceptable to walk around without the blouse on? Why a black shirt though? If they are going blue, how about making it sky blue.
There were supposed to be pockets added on the sleeves, but I have yet to see them in a picture.
I can't wait to actually get a chance to see this uniform. It may not be as bad as it looks. Hopefully they will change it a bit more before accepting it.
gburner
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Your tax dollars at work...it sucks on toast. These folks are hired to pull the trigger on enemies of the USofA,
not be effing fashion statements for the aggrandizement of some desk jockey general's ego. What a crock.
not be effing fashion statements for the aggrandizement of some desk jockey general's ego. What a crock.
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